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D-VHS to Hit The Market This Week
An Anonymous Coward writes: "Yahoo News is has an article stating that D-VHS is hitting the market this week. The upside: D-VHS supports full high-definition picture quality. The down side: $35 - $45 per movie (although available for less) and $2k for a player. Seems to me you'd lose a lot of that HD picture after a few viewings too. 4 studios are supporting it: 'JVC persuaded Fox, Universal, DreamWorks and Artisan to support the format after developing a new copy-protection standard it calls D-Theater to prevent unauthorized copying of the high-definition movies'."
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... posted AC because I'm supposed to be studying for exams and I don't have time to double check specs or my math.
.003 seconds after that, someone will figure out that all the copy control in the world does no good at all when they simply wire their 2,000$ (!) d-vhs deck into their computer using a few cables they picked up at the local computer shop ... oops, thats a thoughtcrime to think about the fact that your d-vhs deck has to send its output into a television, which, like your PC's gfx card, has no idea of what copy protection is. [1]
.003 seconds for someone to figure out how to handle the increased resolution and audio.
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:28AM (#3650390)
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Father, I have a confession (Score:-1)
by Fecal Troll Matter on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650393)
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While blowing you, I missed FP -=(((
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I am really interested by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:50AM
I am really interested in UNICODE! by on by (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @01:40AM
fIRST pOST (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650394)
NONE.
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DOA (Score:1)
by Torgo's Pizza (torgo@@@attbi...com) on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650395)
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Can someone say 'DivX'?
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Re:DOA by Fecal Troll Matter (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:36AM
Re:DOA Thursday June 06, @12:36AM
Re:DOA by dirvish (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:43AM
Re:DOA ; 3D HOLOGRAPHICS SOON TO COME OUT !! ! Thursday June 06, @12:48AM
Re: New copy protection scheme Thursday June 06, @01:01AM
Re:DOA Thursday June 06, @01:44AM
Hmmm... (Score:1)
by JebusIsLord on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650396)
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Isn't tape very 70s? DVD is just fine for film, and I would prefer to record off the air onto a TIVO-like device. This technology seems dead in the water to me... Can anyone think of a good application for it?
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Re:Hmmm... by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:33AM
Re:Hmmm... by packeteer (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:47AM
New technology, new advances... by PontifexPrimus (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:45AM
Re:Hmmm... Thursday June 06, @01:44AM
Picture Quality (Score:3, Interesting)
by cheinonen (cheinonen@nOspaM.hotmail.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650398)
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I acually don't think you should lose any of the quality. This isn't VHS where it's stored in an analog format that degrades, I'd think of it more as a DAT tape with all digital data that should keep it's quality. Just keep it away from a magnet. Since JVC came up with it, and they own the patent on VHS, I'm sure the name came from that, and the fact that it's on tapes.
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Tape is the problem. by nullard (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:38AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by ev0l (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:43AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by graveytrain (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:38AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by packeteer (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:44AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by ziggles (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:48AM
Re:Tape is the problem. Thursday June 06, @12:50AM
Re:Tape is the problem. Thursday June 06, @01:20AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by Christopher Thomas (Score:3) Thursday June 06, @12:53AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by Bobzibub (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:19AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by John Whitley (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:42AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by RobotMailMan (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:52AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by DNS-and-BIND (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @02:17AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by ahaning (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:56AM
Video Tape vs Computer Tape by nullard (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:11AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by buss_error (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:56AM
Re:Tape is the problem. by kfs27 (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @02:10AM
Re:Picture Quality by theLOUDroom (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:05AM
Yoda on Digital Tape by Salden (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:09AM
fp (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:30AM (#3650399)
FUCK you all!
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I'm fed up with all this copy protection business. (Score:1)
by Markusis on Thursday June 06, @12:30AM (#3650403)
(User #46739 Info)
You're media is going to get copied...learn to embrace it, or just get over it. I shouldn't be subjected to all of this crap. Pretty soon we'll be signing stuff just to watch a movie.
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Re:I'm fed up with all this copy protection busine Thursday June 06, @12:39AM
Re:I'm fed up with all this copy protection busine by The Patient (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @02:05AM
booyah (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:31AM (#3650406)
eat it u logge din bastards. clit yo!
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D-VHS is dying! (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:31AM (#3650407)
D-VHS is dying!
Today in the news D-VHS has been shown to be decreasing by 99% of 0.0001% leading experts in the field to believe that D-VHS is, in fact, dying. Richard Stallman, founder of the upstart Free Software Foundation was quotae as saying, "It's GNU/D-VHS damn you GNU/D-VHS!!!!!" Eric Raymond was reached for comment but he shot both of our journalists dead proclaiming, "Git offa mah propherty you city boy!" Cmdr. Taco and Hemos were unavailable for comment as they are currently in an undisclosed location doing ungodly things to CowboyNeal who by all accounts, has been dressed up in a leather and latex montage and forced to consecrate with small asian monkeys.
In other news Linus Torvalds, founder of the Loonix software movement was found chastising pigeons in a NYC subway earlier today. He claimed they were in it with the queers. Bill Gates commented, "That's what happens when you do not charge for your product, dimentia sets in and *WHAM!* you're gone." He then added, "Besides 640k should be enough for anybody."
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fp (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:31AM (#3650408)
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frost pist (Score:1, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:31AM (#3650409)
Why in the world would I spend 2k on a player
that will not let me make copies?
The lunacy just never ends!
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Re:frost pist by mlk (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:38AM
Re:frost pist Thursday June 06, @12:40AM
Re:frost pist by mlk (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:51AM
Re:frost pist Thursday June 06, @01:14AM
Re:frost pist by NanoGator (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:49AM
In the 'What Ever Happened To' Column.. (Score:1)
by Smelly Jeffrey on Thursday June 06, @12:32AM (#3650411)
(User #583520 Info)
I'm going to get Episode II when it comes out.. on BETA.
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Re:In the 'What Ever Happened To' Column.. by Drishmung (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:47AM
I give it six months (Score:3, Insightful)
by Ars-Fartsica on Thursday June 06, @12:32AM (#3650412)
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Really, with the widespread adoption of DVD, what is the motivation for film companies to provide widespread support for another format?
How many people have sets capable of rendering the signal at full quality anyway?
Maybe it would have had a chance before DVD authoring equipment became cheap, (assuming the authoring equipment for this format even exists for consumers), but otherwise this looks to be DOA.
The development costs will just be translated to higher DVD prices in a year.
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Re:I give it six months by furiousgeorge (Score:3) Thursday June 06, @12:40AM
Re:I give it six months by _ph1ux_ (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:44AM
Re:I give it six months Thursday June 06, @12:58AM
Re:I give it six months by Neuracnu Coyote (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:04AM
Re:I give it six months by Wesley Felter (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:10AM
Re:I give it six months by GoRK (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:51AM
Re:I give it six months by captaineo (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:15AM
Re:I give it six months by Jah-Wren Ryel (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:58AM
Re:I give it six months by MajorBlunder (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:52AM
Re:I give it six months by ilyag (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:32AM
Hey, I've been waiting for this! (Score:3, Funny)
by ObviousGuy (ObviousGuy@hotmail.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:32AM (#3650413)
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What with the massive uptake of HDTVs in the U.S. and all.
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Re:Hey, I've been waiting for this! by speedfreak_5 (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:23AM
Fearest Poahst -- props to CLIT and KLERCK (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:33AM (#3650417)
I am first again!
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can't copy tape? (Score:0, Interesting)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:34AM (#3650421)
So it's on a more fragile media, but you can't make a backup copy?
I'll pass.
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Re:can't copy tape? by NanoGator (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:53AM
Failed Formats of the Future (Score:2)
by Alien54 on Thursday June 06, @12:36AM (#3650426)
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I wonder how many formats are going to fail because no one is paying attention to the results of market research.
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Re:Failed Formats of the Future by Bobzibub (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:44AM
Re:Failed Formats of the Future by DNS-and-BIND (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @02:23AM
OMG (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:36AM (#3650429)
Seems to me you'd lose a lot of that HD picture after a few viewings too.
Please tell me this is a joke, and the author of the above line isn't a total moron. the D in D-VHS stands for digital. It doesn't wear out like a VHS tape. See DAT tapes and Compact Discs for other examples of newfangled "DIGITAL" technology.
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Re:OMG by John Miles (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:38AM
Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:47AM
Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:57AM
Re:OMG by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @01:05AM
Tape isn't dead! by nullard (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:53AM
Re:OMG Thursday June 06, @12:41AM
What was I thinking?! (Score:1)
by Rantastic on Thursday June 06, @12:37AM (#3650435)
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What was I thinking with all these cheap DVD's and this $89 player? I've got the throw them all away to make room for my exciting new $2000 D-VHS player. Not to mention all those nice sized little $35 D-VHS tapes I'm going to need to make room for.
Ok, I'm off to watch some commercials... If only they would come out with a device to zap all those annoying shows that keep me from my commercials. I need to know what to buy next!
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Re:What was I thinking?! by Anonymous Coward (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:43AM
pricey (Score:1)
by Gizzmonic on Thursday June 06, @12:37AM (#3650436)
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ABT lists the price at $1000 and up [abtelectronics.com]. However, being able to transfer VHS over the iLink terminal and being able to record 40 hours in standard VHS format would make it worth the investment. I bet security systems that have to deal with a lot of tape are looking at these...
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Re:pricey by hbackert (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:03AM
Uhhh... (Score:1, Offtopic)
by _ph1ux_ on Thursday June 06, @12:38AM (#3650439)
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uhhhhh... yeah - not buying one of these until, oh, I dont know - 2009.
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D-Beta! (Score:1)
by BTWR on Thursday June 06, @12:38AM (#3650440)
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D-Beta is gonna kick ass!
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Re:D-Beta! by Gizzmonic (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @12:47AM
Re:D-Beta! Thursday June 06, @01:55AM
Re:D-Beta! by ZenJabba1 (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @02:18AM
On D-VHS and D-Theater (Score:2, Informative)
by LBrothers on Thursday June 06, @12:40AM (#3650452)
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D-Theater is an option (feature) on D-VHS tape decks. There are already decks on the market, especially in Japan, that are D-VHS but not D-Theater.
D-Theater is a content encryption system. D-VHS is a recording format (MPEG-2 aparently). A D-VHS recorder would allow you to record any HDTV broadcast directly - up to 4 hours of it in fact. Also, D-VHS supports full Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtracks at a bit rate of 576Kbps (higher than DVD's 448Kbps rate). This is being touted as the VHS for the HDTV generation.
Also, while the titles are listed at 35-40 USD Buy.com and BestBuy have them listed at 25-29 USD, so they aren't terribly more expensive than DVDs. Even so, DVDs have market edge on D-VHS (and a few other technological advantages including durability). It seems as if D-Theater is unimportant, but take notice of D-VHS.
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Image degredation after a few plays? (Score:0)
by timeOday on Thursday June 06, @12:40AM (#3650453)
(User #582209 Info)
It's digital. Computer backups on tape can be read more than a few times before fading away. And video data isn't all that demanding of accuracy; bit errors will hopefully just make one or a few pixels the wrong color for a fraction of a second.
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Mirror of this article in case it's
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:40AM (#3650454)
Posted by timothy on Thursday June 06, @12:27AM
from the yeah-that'll-work dept.
An Anonymous Coward writes: "Yahoo News is has an article stating that D-VHS is hitting the market this week. The upside: D-VHS supports full high-definition picture quality. The down side: $35 - $45 per movie (although available for less) and $2k for a player. Seems to me you'd lose a lot of that HD picture after a few viewings too. 4 studios are supporting it: 'JVC persuaded Fox, Universal, DreamWorks and Artisan to support the format after developing a new copy-protection standard it calls D-Theater to prevent unauthorized copying of the high-definition movies'."
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Mirror of your mirror; you can't be too careful. by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:51AM
Re:Mirror of your mirror; you can't be too careful Thursday June 06, @02:08AM
Those studios.. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:41AM (#3650455)
..probably cashed a nice check from JVC, a la DIVX back in the old days.
Proof that the studios are whores to the highest bidders.
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Re:Those studios.. Thursday June 06, @12:51AM
Clarification... (Score:2, Insightful)
by ZeLonewolf (lonewolf@bitsplash.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:42AM (#3650458)
(User #197271 Info | http://www.eviljournalist.com/)
From what I understand:
This new format is for DIGITAL video stored on a MAGNETIC TAPE. This is different from DVD, which is digital data on an optical disk. In terms of performance/quality, there is no clear difference; they are both digital video formats.
However, anyone with a $50 DVD drive in their computer can view/copy DVD discs at will. With D-VHS, there is no easy tape-to-computer interface, only a proprietary player controlled by the movie industry.
This is nothing more than the movie industry's latest attempt to take away accessibility with no real gain in the underlying technology.
This is very close to DIVX (not the video codec), which was a "throwawy DVD" format which was implemented by the movie industry and even sold at Circuit City for awhile. DIVX was a product that had no new technicaly features, and had restricted accessibility. Consumers saw that DIVX was an inferior product, and it quickly went under. D-VHS will no doubt subscribe to the same fate.
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Re:Clarification... (Score:4, Interesting)
by jonnythan (jonnyboy@bigfoot.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:55AM (#3650542)
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You're wrong. D-VHS is far higher quality. It's HDTV, whereas DVD is normal television resolutions.
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Re:Clarification... by captaineo (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:22AM
Re:Clarification... by Jah-Wren Ryel (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @02:09AM
Re:Clarification... by DNS-and-BIND (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @02:27AM
Re:Clarification... by -tji (Score:3) Thursday June 06, @01:11AM
More (clear) information here... (Score:2, Informative)
by An anonymous Frank (frank.harrystotle@com) on Thursday June 06, @12:43AM (#3650465)
(User #559486 Info)
http://www.jvc-victor.co.jp/english/D-VHS/dvhs-
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Mirror of comments thus far (Score:-1, Redundant)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:43AM (#3650467)
Please append updates. TIA!
D-VHS to Hit The Market This Week
Posted by timothy on Thursday June 06, @12:27AM
from the yeah-that'll-work dept.
An Anonymous Coward writes: "Yahoo News is has an article stating that D-VHS is hitting the market this week. The upside: D-VHS supports full high-definition picture quality. The down side: $35 - $45 per movie (although available for less) and $2k for a player. Seems to me you'd lose a lot of that HD picture after a few viewings too. 4 studios are supporting it: 'JVC persuaded Fox, Universal, DreamWorks and Artisan to support the format after developing a new copy-protection standard it calls D-Theater to prevent unauthorized copying of the high-definition movies'."
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DOA (Score:1)
by Torgo's Pizza (torgo@@@attbi...com) on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650395)
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Can someone say 'DivX'?
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Hmmm... (Score:1)
by JebusIsLord on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650396)
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Isn't tape very 70s? DVD is just fine for film, and I would prefer to record off the air onto a TIVO-like device. This technology seems dead in the water to me... Can anyone think of a good application for it?
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Picture Quality (Score:2)
by cheinonen (cheinonen@nOspaM.hotmail.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:29AM (#3650398)
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I acually don't think you should lose any of the quality. This isn't VHS where it's stored in an analog format that degrades, I'd think of it more as a DAT tape with all digital data that should keep it's quality. Just keep it away from a magnet. Since JVC came up with it, and they own the patent on VHS, I'm sure the name came from that, and the fact that it's on tapes.
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I'm fed up with all this copy protection business. (Score:1)
by Markusis on Thursday June 06, @12:30AM (#3650403)
(User #46739 Info)
You're media is going to get copied...learn to embrace it, or just get over it. I shouldn't be subjected to all of this crap. Pretty soon we'll be signing stuff just to watch a movie.
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In the 'What Ever Happened To' Column.. (Score:1)
by Smelly Jeffrey on Thursday June 06, @12:32AM (#3650411)
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I'm going to get Episode II when it comes out.. on BETA.
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I give it six months (Score:2)
by Ars-Fartsica on Thursday June 06, @12:32AM (#3650412)
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Really, with the widespread adoption of DVD, what is the motivation for film companies to provide widespread support for another format?
How many people have sets capable of rendering the signal at full quality anyway?
Maybe it would have had a chance before DVD authoring equipment became cheap, (assuming the authoring equipment for this format even exists for consumers), but otherwise this looks to be DOA.
The development costs will just be translat
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Re:Mirror of comments thus far by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) Thursday June 06, @12:45AM
One acronym: DVD (Score:1)
by dirvish (dirvish.3fingersalute@net) on Thursday June 06, @12:43AM (#3650469)
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How can this possibly compete with DVD? I really don't see how it can. DVD is not dominant now but it will be by the time D-VHS gets to a reasonable price.
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Re:One acronym: DVD Thursday June 06, @12:48AM
Re:One acronym: DVD by Jeffrey Baker (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:02AM
Re:One acronym: DVD by dirvish (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:15AM
or superbit DVD by Barbarian (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @02:18AM
This is odd... (Score:1)
by ChristopherMarlowe on Thursday June 06, @12:44AM (#3650477)
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DVD seems to be "good enough" for watching videos at home; I really don't see the need for yet another format. The only problems I can see with the DVD rental business is that DVDs are much more fragile than VHS tapes. I've rented brand new DVDs that were already skipping. I wonder what the life of a DVD vs. a VHS/D-VHS tape is? I know video store VHS tapes are expensive for the stores to buy, like $70 or something crazy. If DVDs are the same price, (to pay for licensing I assume), then it will be more expensive for video stores to rent out DVDs than D-VHS/VHS.
Otherwise this makes no sense to go out and buy a D-VHS, people just bought DVD machines en-masse.
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Re:This is odd... by MrP- (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:22AM
D-VHS Old News (Score:2)
by stuffman64 (73747566666d616e@686f6d65.6e6574) on Thursday June 06, @12:46AM (#3650484)
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D-VHS has been around here in the U.S. for at least 3 years. I happen to own one of these [usadish.com] puppies, and have been recording shows to D-VHS tape ever since I bought. However, as far as I know, my system does not support HDTV, only MPEG2 encoded NTSC video. Also, video quality degradation is very unlikely; I have movies and programs recorded over 2 and a half years ago on DVHS, and have yet to notice any degradation.
Since it is in fact raw digital information recorded on the tape, the type of degradation would most likely be dropped frames, motion artifacts, "mosquitos," and the like, rather than the typical problems of "regular" VHS such as snow, color saturation problems, and reduced definition.
Perhaps what this really meant by the article is that High Definition DVHS movies will be available. I have my doubts as to whether or not this will really have an impact on the mainstream video market (perhaps the upscale home theatre market will embrace it). $45 bucks for a video; however, is just rediculous.
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Re:D-VHS Old News by demon (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:59AM
Why does it cost so much? (Score:1)
by Nate Enderle (hotstuff3181@NosPAm.hotmail.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:46AM (#3650485)
(User #579319 Info)
If this format is simply a digitization of a regular tape, then why does it have to cost so much? VCR's are closer to the 100 dollar range, and DVD's are as low as 60 dollars. So we know that the extra mechanical parts for a tape are not too expensive, and the digital decoders and such are also not too expensive. Why the $2000 for a player? Or the $30 movies? Is it the low production numbers? Extra licensing fees? I can't think of any good reasons. Any ideas?
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Re:Why does it cost so much? by MrP- (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @01:17AM
Re:Why does it cost so much? Thursday June 06, @02:28AM
D-VHS is old news and the price is wrong (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:46AM (#3650488)
I have had a D-VHS recorder/player since 1998 and I paid under $800 for it at the time. Echostar (read Dishnetwork) and JVC made a satellite reciever d-vhs combo years ago. It's very nice picture quality and even records the dolby 5.1 stream.
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Ok, I'm Impressed (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:47AM (#3650489)
Well, to be honest when I first saw this post I thought oh great tape again, but the fact that this is true HDTV quality didn't hit me until just now. Folks, thats something in the order of 1920x1280 pixels. The datarate for this kind of data is astonishing, specifically, for 24fps Film (yes lower than pal or ntsc for estimation sake) thats 1920x1280x3x8x24 Bits per Second, assuming we're using 24bit color (can anyone confirm that?) That comes out to be: 168.75 MB/s (!@#!@%) So yes I guess the entire tape thing can be excuesed. Try to get anything close to that datarate (even with compression, though I'm not sure how much it uses, that would only be accomplishable with the newest hard drives, and even a 160 gig would only hold 16 minutes). Very impressive. Kudos JVC
Ok just my quick 2 cents worth
-drk
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Re:Ok, I'm Impressed by Fantanicity (Score:1) Thursday June 06, @12:53AM
Re:Ok, I'm Impressed by -tji (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:56AM
Just waitng.. (Score:1)
by Peridriga (slashdot_experiment@std64.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:47AM (#3650490)
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I give it 4 months till a 12 year old writes DeDVHS...
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More Info (Score:1)
by ZeLonewolf (lonewolf@bitsplash.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:47AM (#3650495)
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The link in the story isn't very informative. Here's a better link [thedigitalbits.com], with pictures and more information.
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suck my hairy balls (Score:-1)
by on by on Thursday June 06, @12:47AM (#3650496)
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So much top tech, such a poor implementation (Score:2)
by haggar on Thursday June 06, @12:49AM (#3650507)
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So this thing will record uncompressed, digital HDTV information? Can you imagine the bandwidth?
This thing would be excellent for backing up huge storage, I think it even beats DLT tapes in speed, and certainly it beats them in capacity.
But instead, it's used to store video, in uncompressed form (stupid) and with copy protection. Not to speak that tape devices that use media of this lenght are unsuitable for home usage, where a constant temperature and humidity are not guaranteed, and multiple viewing is the norm.
Plus, this is the age of direct access media (CD, VCD, DVD), will people who got used to DVD accept sequential access?
In conclusion: I think this technology will tank, and not many will shed a tear.
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It's compressed. by Wesley Felter (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:16AM
Re:So much top tech, such a poor implementation by n6mod (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:27AM
this just in.. (Score:1)
by seann (meyowith@softhome.net) on Thursday June 06, @12:52AM (#3650521)
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a two year old is charged under the DMCA because she played her Play-doh (TM) in a little nudge of her daddys "Debbie Does Dolly" D-VHS tape.
This curcumvention device, which was thought to be harmless for years (and tastey) allowed the juvenile to copy the tape for her bigger brother.
When asked, spokesmen from JVC stated: "this [event] just shows you how far people go to copy tapes, We need better standards for copy protection!!!!".
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I'm sure these will succeed. (Score:3, Funny)
by SmittyTheBold (deth_bunnyNO@SPAMyahoo.com) on Thursday June 06, @12:53AM (#3650532)
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Just like DAT made its way into the consumer sector so well, I would expect D-VHS to do the same! With prices like these, who could resist!?
Now, really, I see this taking the place of Beta, MiniDV, and D8 in the content-creation field. It could be rather good for them, because it provides digital video (something Beta doesn't) along with HD support, something MiniDV and D8 can't.
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Shouldn't it be called... (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @12:58AM (#3650554)
Dumb-Consumer.
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Linux support on the way (Score:2)
by captaineo on Thursday June 06, @01:04AM (#3650569)
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Some of the currently-available D-VHS decks support FireWire I/O. This allows one to record and play video to the deck with a computer (the streams can be recorded from the deck - e.g. for PVR-style timeshifting of HDTV - or generated and encoded yourself).
Several people at avsforum.com have already gotten this working using MPEG2-over-FireWire support built into Windows XP.
Dan Dennedy and I are working on a Linux driver that will provide the same functionality as Windows XP. (it will appear at linux1394.sourceforge.net; it's not ready for release yet though).
D-VHS is a truly versatile format. The deck I have experience with (JVC) can record and play MPEG-2 streams at a wide variety of bitrates (up to 29MBit/sec) and formats (720x480 NTSC up to 1920x1080 HDTV)... The encoding is standard MPEG-2, so you can make and play your own HDTV content (I've done it already), and you could probably also do things like record a DVD to tape without re-compressing the video.
Note however that Windows XP and my drivers can only handle cleartext MPEG-2 streams (either home-made or recorded from broadcast/satellite HDTV). The new "D-Theater" standard is basically like DVD's CSS; the MPEG-2 streams will come in a scrambled format that is "impossible" to read without a licensed decoder.
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Re:Linux support on the way by GoRK (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @01:59AM
Re:Linux support on the way by captaineo (Score:2) Thursday June 06, @02:15AM
A prediction (Score:1)
by siliconinc.net (gdd_at_siliconinc_dot_net) on Thursday June 06, @01:04AM (#3650571)
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This week d-vhs and its companion d-theater will be released.
Approximately
Wait a sec, I hear jackbooted thugs from Hollywood knocking at door. Oopsy.
[1] - Im not sure that any standard format (eg; avi, mpeg*, etc) will be able to handle all the features d-vhs supports very well. Im not a video format guru, so forgive me if Im wrong. You will have to wait another
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To have a balanced system (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @01:06AM (#3650579)
one might also wish to purchase one of these [yahoo.com] to make the $2049 worthwhile.
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wait a second (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 06, @01:11AM (#3650594)
"Seems to me you'd lose a lot of that HD picture after a few viewings too."
Wait a second. This is a digital format -- correct? When you say "lose [...] that HD picture" you mean there would be digital artifacts, correct? I have worked with some high-end digital video mediums in a professional setting (DVCPRO at a local FOX-affiliate) and I would hope this new D-VHS has at the very least a level of quality that allows a fair amount of viewage without damage to the "data." DVCPRO, although a professional format, doesn't seem to have too much of a problem for the most part -- the deck seemed to act up more than the tapes and require regular cleaning, that's all. If I were to guess I'd say you should be able to view D-VHS quite a few times before problems arise, otherwise the product is as good as defective.
My two cents.
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Info on the player (Score:2)
by jimmcq on Thursday June 06, @01:11AM (#3650595)
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JVC HM-DH30000 [jvc.com]
Manufacturer's suggested retail price: $1999.95
Digital Set-top box ready with Digital-to-Digital connection via i.Link (IEEE 1394) terminal
HDTV Digital Broadcast Bitstream Recording/ Playback
Built-in MPEG2 Decoder for Direct Connection to HDTV
Can Record Any Type of Broadcast including HD, SD or Analog
HS mode (28.2 Mbps) for up to 4 hours* HDTV recording STD Mode (14.1 Mbps) for up to 8 hours* SD recording LS3 Mode (4.7 Mbps) for up to 24 hours* long-time recording * Per DF-480 cassette
D-VHS (HS, STD, LS3) S-VHS (SP, EP) S-VHS ET (SP, EP) HiFi VHS (SP, EP) VHS (SP, EP)
JVC's upcoming HDTV-capable Dish Network receiver will also have a IEEE 1394 (FireWire) connection so it can transfer content directly to the D-VHS box.
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Obligatory Link (Score:2)
by jimmcq on Thursday June 06, @01:21AM (#3650619)
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http://dvhsmovie.com/ [dvhsmovie.com] has more info about D-VHS.
Is it still considered Karma-whoring when I'm already at my cap?
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be afraid, be very afraid (Score:1)
by frovingslosh on Thursday June 06, @01:32AM (#3650649)
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Before buying into this be sure you understand all of the HDTV formats and options. The articl claims "full high-definition picture quality" but doesn't quite define what that is. The industry has multiple standards for widescreen formats. The lowest is pretty crappy, but is still being passed of to many people who are paying an arm and a leg to be early adopters of HDTV. Some day they will find they have paid a lot for a system that is limited to low quality, not "full high-definition picture quality". This sounds like it could be another case of that.
Normal TV is 480 lines interlaced. Improved quality can be designated as 480p (non-interlaced), 1080i, 720p and 1080p (in that order). Unless you're getting 1080p with a digital interface to the display (not RGB analog) I don't believe you're getting "full high-definition picture quality". Since the industry is still fighting (afsik) about copy protection of this 1080p digital signal, I question if the technology can give the promised quality, or if you can even find a display that would accept it at any price.
And I tend to agree that this kind of prices on magnetic tapes that likely will degrade isn't a wise move.
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Great...then all your friends can see grainy, jerky videos of a crappy series that has nothing to do whatsoever with robots.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
This summer, the north-central Montana town with the welcome sign that reads, in part, "596 nice people -- One Old Sore Head" will vote to decide who is -- officially -- the grumpiest person in town.
Results are expected to be announced in late June.
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The last official "old sore head" was Tommy Wilson, who won the title in 1985. Wilson, who Han said died about 10 years ago, took great pride in the recognition.
"He enjoyed it," Han said. "He knew it was meant in fun."
And if his predecessor doesn't share that?
"Well, that would just seal it," Han said.