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First Reviews of Mozilla 1.0 Roll In

Posted by timothy on from the jaundiced-eye-of-the-beholder dept.

Since the announcement of Mozilla 1.0's release, at least a few journalists have been quick to turn the beast over and poke its belly. Tina Gasperson's review over at NewsForge makes an interesting contrast to CNET's review; strange how they give a rating that would barely merit a "C-" after describing Mozilla's robustness, standards compliance, speed and convenience features.

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  1. Mozilla ain't that great. by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: -1, Troll

    Mozilla is a fine example of everything that is wrong with open-source software. Most of its problems originate from the fact that its developers are hacks (and not in the good sense) who have no experience in a real software development environment. The project has no direction and the concept of "project management" is unknown to the participants. One example of this problem is Mozilla's extremely slow development cycle -- there are no managers to say "this feature must be completed by X date" and consequently it has taken approximately fifty thousand years to produce a 1.0 product.

    And Mozilla 1.0 is by no means more polished or finished than a typical closed-source OTS software package -- on the contrary, because Mozilla has no paying customer or management to answer to, the browser suffers from innumerable problems. It's a RAM hog. It's slow. Its default user interface emphasizes form over function. It's slow. It does not support the current generation of Web-related standards. It's slow. (You may have noticed that I seem fixated on Mozilla's slowness. That's because the "final straw" that caused me to vow "never to download this piece of shit again" was related to its slowness. I have a Sun workstation that cost more money than Slashdot earns in a year. On this workstation, Internet Explorer takes x seconds to load, Netscape 4 takes 2x seconds to load, and Mozilla takes 15x (!!) seconds to load. Absolutely unacceptable and proof that most Mozilla developers have never used real UNIX, and certainly can't write good software for it.)

    But I think that the most laughable thing of the farse that is the Mozilla project is that no one said "no" to any feature requests. Futhermore, the project is so disorganized that basic web browser functionality was often ignored so that developers could work on their favorite "cool" features. A good example is the mail client. Now I know that Netscape browsers traditionally include a mail client, but development on such a client should not have began until the browser was finished. And by finished I mean that it supports all current-generation Web-related standards. Even today, Mozilla does not support CSS2 features that Internet Explorer had two years ago. And the CSS2 recommendation was released in 1998. I simply don't understand why Mozilla implements a completely custom widget set when it doesn't even support CSS2. If Mozilla were a proper software development project, the team would have created a working, fast, memory-conservative, standards-based browser before any other features were even thought about. The UNIX and Unix-workalike browser market is essentially non-existant, and I can tell you that those of us who use UNIX for real work (as opposed to pirating MP3s and DVDs and other Taco-esque activities) would have appreciated a fast, standards-compliant browser with the Navigator 4.08 GUI and featureset much more than we appreciate the slow, RAM hog piece of unprofessional garbage that Mozilla has taken way too long to produce.

    I use Windows, too, of course. (As does everyone. Even Taco. How do you think he plays all of those "l337" Windows-only video games that he always rants about?) And Windows users have even less reason to be impressed with Mozilla, because most of its "features" seem even more unecessary in a Windows environment. For example, the mail client is absolutely useless, because almost all Windows business users use Outlook or Outlook Express. And Gecko violates Windows user interface conventions, making it look more like some college student's "intro to VB let's see all of the cool buttons and colors that I can add to my app" project than an application that is actually intended for use in the real world.

    Remember that Windows users make up almost all of the world's web surfers. As a browser, Internet Explorer is superior to Mozilla. No one cares about your colorful GUI or your half-assed mail client if you can't even make a decent browser. You have lost, have a nice day.

    Mozilla has also lost on the UNIX platform. Internet Explorer is faster and more standards compliant. Ironically, it's also a much better UNIX application. By the way, did you know that Microsoft includes CDE icons with the IE/UNIX distribution? That's class.

    Mozilla similarly fails on Mac OS 9 and X. IE owns that market, too.

    All that Mozilla has left is GNU/Linux, and the only reason that it even has that market is that IE hasn't been ported to Linux yet.

    The browser is a piece of crap. The project is a failure. The "developers" are embarassments to the open source community. I only hope that, now that 1.0 has finally been released, evreyone can give up on the project and move to another browser. All of you immature hypocritical fucktards seem to think that Microsoft isn't worth supporting because its software is bloated and buggy, right? Well, you should dump Mozilla for the same reason. Mozilla doesn't have the incredible featureset that makes Microsoft products the most popular in the world despite their flaws. If you want to continue to live in your little Linux fantasy-land where I'm sure you still think that Linux is "ready for the desktop" and that any sane consumer cares about your petty philosophical beef with capitalism, move to Konqueror or Opera. Neither of those browser is very good, but they do lack the fetid stink that has followed Mozilla ever since Netscape shat out that awful 4.x source code so many years ago.

    Fuck you all.

    -- The_Messenger

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    "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
    1. Re:Mozilla ain't that great. by Anomolous+Cow+Herd · · Score: 0, Troll
      I suppose if you define "troll" as "anyone who has a less than glowing opinion of Mozilla", yes, this is a troll.

      You assholes here are just like Ashcroft et al who call anyone who disagrees with them a "terrorist".

      --

      "I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." - George Bush
    2. Re:Mozilla ain't that great. by jukal · · Score: 1, Troll

      A bit harsh way of putting it, but you are correct.

      What has happened during last 4 years then?
      Mozilla 0.1 is relased - HOORAY! it is here!! look!! - all of us run and install it immediately, in the beginning only a minority of people were even able to get it running. Then we realise it cannot be used for anything.
      Mozilla 0.2 is released, same thing happens, years and 0.1s pass by and every damn time we hear little feet running to fetch it to get disappointed.... 0.9... 1.0.

      Little feet start running to fetch it, but then they realize, it will probably just crash. Maybe in reality, it would actually work, but too many years and too many disappointments are too much for any Joe Average, who tried it. All that is left, is Linux, as the clever (im)poster said :)

      AOL might be the rescue, otherwise, the project is doomed. It's sad, as so many people have participated in the work. I hope they atleast had some fun while doing it. Mozilla is good for those who like it, would a politician say.

  2. CNN.com review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    CNN has a review . To summarize, they give it 10/10.

    MSNBC has a review . They give it 7/10.

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  4. too many bugs for me by hawkbug · · Score: 1, Troll

    I have submitted a few bugs here and there since I first started using Mozilla about 2 years ago. I tried on many different occaisions to use it as my primary email client and web browser on windows - but it just doesn't work for me for 5 reasons:

    1) When switching between inboxes on different mail servers it forgets your last selected messages. This is annoying as hell when I have over 1000 messages in both my inboxes. I have reported this bug well over a year ago.

    2) You're supposed to be able to type in a "nickname" of somebody in your addressbook just like good old netscape 4.7X when using the mail client. Well, sometimes Mozilla feels like auto completing the email address with the one in your address book, and other times it doesn't work. Annoying to say the least when trying to compose a message.

    3) I have a laptop which has an ATI mobile graphics card in it (I'm not sure if this matters) running Windows 2000. When I open Mozilla up, I get little black evenly spaced dots or dashes at random across the URL bar. It only does this in windows, and apparently only on my laptop using the ATI card. I have the latest ATI drivers. This just looks awful, and makes it so I can't even read the URL. This has been the case for the last 2 years, and it ONLY does this with Mozilla, and no other application I have ever used.

    4) Mozilla seems to render pages extremely slowly and choppy. What I mean is, if you take it to a page that has a huge select box on it inside a form with over 1000 entries that is showing multiple rows, say 10 for example, the browser freaks out and takes about 15 seconds on my machine to load it. It does some weird stuff in the mean time, like move the box width around, put scroll bars at strange points on the screen, etc.

    5) My largest gripe by a mile with Mozilla has to be this - this is non-platform-specific. I've had this happen on Mac OS X, Red Hat Linux, and Windows 98, 2000, and XP. The first instance of the browser I open allows me to type in form fields and type in the URL bar. Open up a second instance of the browser, and you can't type anywhere. My mouse then becomes the only input I have with the screen. I have to completely close mozilla, mail client and all, and restart it to be able to type in the form fields and url bar again. WTF? Oh, and sometimes when I look in the task manager under windows after completely thinking I closed mozilla, I'll still see mozilla.exe running, and have to kill it from the process manager in windows 2000. I can't verify if this happens with a mac or linux, but I do have the typing problems there as well. Isn't this a major thing that other people should have noticed?

    So, I'm not trying to rag on the mozilla developers since they are doing a great thing - I just think that these 5 bugs are very major, and should have been fixed well before version 1.0. In my opinion, those 5 things are completely holding Mozilla back from becoming widely used and accepted. I hope they get them fixed before version 1.1 or 2.0.

  5. Re:Built for IE! by NineNine · · Score: 1, Troll

    Built for IE! (Score:5)
    by hkhanna on Thursday June 06, @04:05PM (#3654462)
    (User #559514 Info)
    For one thing, Mozilla doesn't always render Web pages the same way IE does. Why does that matter? Many Web designers have built sites primarily for IE, and those pages look odd in Mozilla.

    This is what irks me. The web is supposed to be platform-neutral, not built for IE. Mozilla, IMHO is doing the right thing by not making its browser conform to the skewed standards IE has set. I say let those pages that are "built for IE" look like crap. Sooner or later, Mozilla will gain market share (we hope,) and people will have to begin building web pages that are standards-compliant not IE-compliant. Good job, Mozilla!

    They've cut off their nose to spite their face. They should've made their browser IE and W3C compatible. As is, people are gonna download it, notice that it renders a lot of pages like shit, and get rid of it. They're gonna pay for their idealism with market share (or lack thereof).

  6. Re:Newspeak by EvlG · · Score: 1, Troll

    What hidden APIs?

    These have long been suggested as the source of so-called 'advantages' that Office and IE have, but where is the evidence for them?

    I'd like to see URLs that give conclusive (or at least, extremely convincing) evidence of their existence.

    I think the real issue here is Microsoft has spent much much more time working on performance and footprint for IE than has been spent on Mozilla so far. Of course, that is not surprising, with several years head start, and Mozilla is a 1.0 product.

  7. Just drop the 'P' by toupsie · · Score: 0, Troll
    Welcome aboard, friend! Now, about that XP...

    Ya, right! Get rid of the 'P' from 'XP' and you got a real desktop system...

    --
    Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.