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Laser Powered Paper Plane Takes Flight

RobertTaylor writes: "Ananova is reporting that Japanese scientists have developed a laser powered paper plane. A blast of light from a commercial laser heats up a droplet of acrylic polymer or water on its surface which acts as fuel. Full story here" Nature also has a story on this advance.

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  1. Interesting Technology by shogun · · Score: 5, Funny

    using the laser to power its direction by, for instance, blasting off parts of the wings.

    Dont some airlines already do that though? Ie just dropping bits of its wings during flights. I wouldn't call it revolutionary, except in using a laser to do it rather than metal fatigue.

    1. Re:Interesting Technology by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      It is funny you stiff...

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  2. propulsion in flight by crumbz · · Score: 2

    If they scaled this up to a practical size, I wonder how difficult it would be to have a ground based laser tracking the liquid supply and pulsing a beam to continue the flight?

    1. Re:propulsion in flight by tunah · · Score: 2

      I can only _assume_ that was the point, but they are engineers...

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  3. Something else like this. by Galahad2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember a while back reading about a laser powered metal disk that was going to possibly be an alternative to space travel. A laser on the ground would shoot at the center of the craft, which (being a mirror on the bottom) would reflect the light to the sides. The air would get so hot that it would "ignite" and force the craft up a few inches. The great thing about this is that the energy to get into orbit doesn't need to be carried by the craft, rather simply kept on land.

    Here's a link to an article about it.

    1. Re:Something else like this. by wadetemp · · Score: 2

      Actually, the last one I saw was achieving some pretty impressive heights. Supposedly it was up to 40 feet, but this was a while ago.

      And that is how many decameters? Suddenly, Pluto seems so close.

      I always dreamed of shooting my water powered rocket I had when I was in 3rd grade into space... it went 40 feet into the air, plus a few. But I accidentally launched my "research" into the lake (a primary fuel source) and it sunk out to far for me to retrieve.

      My guess is if I had a laser at that age I could have cooked off one of my fingers... er... I mean gotten it up to 50 feet... easy.

    2. Re:Something else like this. by Erotomek · · Score: 4, Funny

      A laser on the ground would shoot at the center of the craft, which (being a mirror on the bottom) would reflect the light to the sides. The air would get so hot that it would "ignite" and force the craft up a few inches.

      Why does it remind me that kind of travel method when in cartoons someone gets a pin in the ass which gives him perpetual energy and he goes up until he gets the pin out of his ass?

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    3. Re:Something else like this. by 2ri · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And in space you can use photons instead of reaction mass. Yes, photons _do_ have an impulse. This would work like sailing on top of the laser beam. Got to get rid of the heat though, preferably as radiation directed towards the beam.

    4. Re:Something else like this. by John+Harrison · · Score: 2
      A solid booster is ignited once, and then burns until it's empty so it can't be used to steer or stabilize.

      Actually you can steer with a solid burner. The nozzles on the shuttle motors have a flex bearing which is a bunch of layers of rubber and metal sanwiched together. The nozzle can then be pointed in different directions. So you can use it to both steer and stabalize. You just can't turn it off once it is on.

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  4. I think I've heard this one before. by Saoshyant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm pretty sure I've heard about using lasers to power spacecraft. The idea is that, rather than having spacecraft lug around a S%$tload of expensive fuel, keep the fuel back here on earth, and beam a laser at the craft. The craft harvests the energy in the laser, probably using photovoltaic cell technology. The beatiful part is that the craft will never outrun the power source.

    1. Re:I think I've heard this one before. by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      rather than having spacecraft lug around a S%$tload of expensive fuel, keep the fuel back here on earth, and beam a laser at the craft.

      Well... almost.

      You can make an airplane that works this way: it sucks in cool air, a laser provides power to heat the air, the hot air jets out the back of the airplane engine and makes the plane go. The plane pushes itself along using air. We can call the air "reaction mass".

      If you want to power a spacecraft with lasers, you need to do pretty much the same thing. However, in space you cannot suck in cool air, so you need to carry some other sort of reaction mass to jet out the back of the rocket. The laser provides energy to accelerate the reaction mass.

      But the best, most practical application of lasers to transportation would be to make a vehicle that goes to space, using the airplane trick to get the vehicle started and then switching over at some point to more conventional rockets. As long as the laser is working and you can suck in cool air, you can jet out hot air and get some lift. This would mean your vehicle can carry less fuel and still reach orbit.

      None of these will happen this year or next year.

      steveha

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    2. Re:I think I've heard this one before. by Zathrus · · Score: 2

      The general use of lasers for interstellar flight is nothing even vaguely close to this... most proposals for a large space based laser platform powering a spaceship involve the use of light sails - superlight materials spanning a thousand kilometers or so to capture light and use the photon impulse to gain momentum.

      Go read some of Robert Forward's books (Indistinguishable from Magic is more science than SF; Dragonfly is more SF than science) for some examples of solar/light sails and possible usage. A terawatt microwave laser could push a 16 gram lightsail craft up to ~0.3C in about a month, and using tacking you could even have it come back home instead of just having it transmit data.

    3. Re:I think I've heard this one before. by Aceticon · · Score: 2

      Well... almost. ( sorry couldn't resist )

      Anyways, a space vehicle can actually be propelled by light alone (no reaction mass needed - Solar sail).

      This is due to the fact that light actually exerts pressure on any surface it shines on (altough very little) - thus, the idea is to deploy a big sail in a spaceship (in space, not inside the atmosphere) and use the pressure of solar radiation to propel it.

      Due to the fact that the pressure per unit of area is proportional to the intensity of the light (Formulas for the mathematical inclined), a (really powerfull) laser can be used to provide a significant boost to said solar sail, with a much smaller decrease of the radiation intensity versus distance than the one you get from the sun's radiation (ie when the ship gets to Pluto, the Sun's radiation is very weak, while the laser's is still strong).

    4. Re:I think I've heard this one before. by Syberghost · · Score: 2

      If you want to power a spacecraft with lasers, you need to do pretty much the same thing. However, in space you cannot suck in cool air, so you need to carry some other sort of reaction mass to jet out the back of the rocket. The laser provides energy to accelerate the reaction mass.

      He's probably thinking about a light pressure drive, where you basically use a big damn sheet of mirrored plastic and just shine a laser at it, using the miniscule pressure of the photons (but you make it up in volume! volume! volume!) to push the ship.

  5. would be cooler by Satai · · Score: 2

    This would be a hell of a lot cooler if it were done with Radiation Pressure... Unless somebody can explain where my understanding goes awry, isn't this basically just another method of igniting normal fuels?

    1. Re:would be cooler by Keeper · · Score: 2

      Nothing is burning or being ignited.

      The neat thing about this is that the energy souce isn't present on the craft; it exists back on the ground.

  6. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...fanatical Muslim zealots hijacked a paper plane fully fueled with five drops of water and crashed it into a scale-model skyscraper built out of playing cards... approximately 4 people received horribly disfiguring paper cuts in the ensuing collapse of the structure.

    An army of rescue workers has descended on the scene and is engaged in what has been described as "52 pick-up, one thousand times over."

    SEC officials are looking into massive short-selling of United States Playing Card Company and Hammermill stock in the two days prior to the incident.

    1. Re:In other news... by foniksonik · · Score: 2

      heheheheeheheh that was soooo good!!!! still laughing DDDDDDD

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  7. Fuel... A nit to pick by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 5, Informative
    ...heats up a droplet of acrylic polymer or water on its surface which acts as fuel...

    Actually, it's be reaction mass, not fuel. The water/polymer itself isn't releasing energy to propel the plane. The laser provides the energy to power a state change (liquid to gas) which pushes the sucker along.

    I think the "fuel" (liquid cessium??) in an ion engine is the same way, providing reaction mass while the real energy is from the electrical source.

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  8. Easier method by Torgo's+Pizza · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wouldn't it be easier just to throw the paper airplane into the air?

    1. Re:Easier method by tunah · · Score: 2

      No. The violent movement might dislodge the water or acrylic polymer.

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  9. Read the story by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    "Ananova is reporting that Japanese scientists spent an afternoon making a laser-launched tin foil plane. A blast of light from a commercial laser heats up a droplet of acrylic polymer or water on its surface, which blows up and knocks the plane off the desk. Although I just told you basically the whole thing, full story here"

  10. Yes by wadetemp · · Score: 3, Funny

    Can you really call it a "paper" plane if it's made out of aluminium foil?

    Only if it's aluminum paper.

    1. Re:Yes by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

      Could be a bad translation. Consider the thickness of paper and the thickness of aluminum foil. Not hard to imagine it coming out as 'paper plane' when it's made out of paper-thin aluminum in the form of a paper airplane.

  11. I developed one of these also. by wadetemp · · Score: 5, Funny

    I made a laser powered paper airplane once. Actually it was made out of aluminum, not paper. Well, actually one of those little foil gum wrappers, I'm not sure if it was aluminum or not. And I guess it wasn't really a laser, I guess it was my finger flicking it... but I was holding a laser pointer in the other hand and was guiding the plane to the target using it! (And then after I made a few of those and threw them into a big pile, I made a beowulf cluster out of them just for good measure.)

    1. Re:I developed one of these also. by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      That's nothing, I made a fuel-cell powered paper football...

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    2. Re:I developed one of these also. by RKloti · · Score: 2, Funny

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  12. zerg by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 2

    Despite the fact that wadetemp posted three times before I posted this which automatically disproves my original conjecture, I'm going to ask anyway:

    Am I the only person who read the blurb and blurted out "What the flying fuck?!"?

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    1. Re:zerg by wadetemp · · Score: 2

      Don't worry, I'm done now. I just got excited when I found out that I'm not the only person who makes paper, er, I mean aluminum foil, airplanes.

    2. Re:zerg by wadetemp · · Score: 2

      Oh, yeah, and I agree... definitely zerg. And also dude... you stole my idea for armies of borg pikachus (pikachi?).

  13. Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle in "Footfall"... by teamhasnoi · · Score: 2
    talk about this technology to launch space craft. They (alien guys) sit on top of lasers, shoot it up the tail pipe, and the vaporizing block o' motor propels the craft up, up and away.

    It also talks about using something else, but don't want to give away the cool ending...;)

    1. Re:Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle in "Footfall"... by wadetemp · · Score: 2

      All this talk about sitting on top of lasers and being shot up the tail pipe... I'm thinking I don't want to know what this "cool" ending is. :)

  14. Commercial applications by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    So, I'm thinking this could be used to power commercial airliners. Each city could have a laser (hereafter known as that city's "laser base,") which could be used to propel planes. And next, the secretary of defense issues a statement that there is a "credible" report that Al Quada members are trying to buy alot of metallic paint and weather balloons...

    1. Re:Commercial applications by ProfMoriarty · · Score: 2
      So, I'm thinking this could be used to power commercial airliners.

      Maybe it's just me but ...

      They are now looking at ways of using the laser to power its direction by, for instance, blasting off parts of the wings.

      I really don't know if I'd want to fly on one of these ... chunks of planes with blasted off parts just doesn't seem right ...

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  15. Laser powered airplanes... by Bowie+J.+Poag · · Score: 2, Funny



    I have discovered that if I strap wings on my dog and shoot him with a high-powered laser, he will heat up and fly around my backyard as well.

    Cheers,

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  16. Water as fuel (OT) by Embedded+Geek · · Score: 2
    You know, for a few hundred dollars I'll send you the blueprints for a water powered airplane I got from an old issue of Popular Mechanics. Uses the same technology that UFOs used to build the Pyramids, as a matter of fact.

    *GRIN*

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    1. Re:Water as fuel (OT) by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      "Uses the same technology that UFOs used to build the Pyramids, as a matter of fact."

      I'll give you the technology right now: hype + vapor. It was also used to fuel many dot-coms.

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  17. Re:It's not flying... by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    Hit in the ass by a laser
    Livin' it up when I'm goin' down
    Hit in the ass by a laser
    Lovin' it up 'til I hit the ground
    - Aerosmith

  18. Re:Radiometer by wadetemp · · Score: 2

    DanOb, this is the FBI. We have a warrant for your arrest for trying to build a dirty bomb. We found your post on a website called Slash Dot which made mention of radiation, more radiation, "special" paint, and fins. Please come with us.

  19. Re:Umm... by Afrosheen · · Score: 2

    I think they stole this whole idea from a MacGuyver episode. Blatant plagarism if I've ever seen it..you have the laser, you have the aluminum foil, only thing missing is the chewing gum and a pair of shoelaces.

    Maybe that's their next project.

  20. Lightcrafts are old by BerntB · · Score: 2, Informative
    I don't get it.

    Why isn't Lightcraft Technologies discussed here?

    Look in Google groups after e.g. 'Leik Myrabo' or 'lightcraft'.

    It seems they never got enough money to get off the ground. :-(

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  21. Raining Luggage. by Soulslayer · · Score: 4, Funny

    My Uncle used to design automated systems used for package and luggage sorting at various institutions. Often he was called in to observe and suggest solutions to previously installed systems. Here are some of the things he encountered in airport luggage handling systems:

    1) A second terminal was added to a small airport and they needed to find a way to send bags to the correct terminal with minimal effort and cost. So a couple of maintainence staff scavenged a large piece of aircraft aluminum (essentially it was part of an airplane wing) and mounted it onto a swing arm so that it would divert luggage down one ramp or another as they approached.

    In order to sort the luggage what they did was put a scanner ahead of the fork if a bag destined for a different terminal than the current path allowed headed down the ramp; the wing would swing to the other side of the conveyor.Well the problem was the staff had mistimed the gate. So a package would happily wander down the conveyor till it hit the sensor. The senor read the package's destination as the package continued along till about the time it came even with the tip of the wing being used a diverter. The wing would then finally move, late, crushing the bag against the far wall. When the next package came down destined for the now blocked path the wing would move freeing the first package (now headed down the wrong ramp) and crush the new package.

    Changing the timing of the gate was a simple fix, but it was scary how long it had lasted before anyone bothered to get look into it.

    2) Another example was at a modern large city airport. They had installed a super deluxe expensive baggage handling system with the usual barcode reading sorting machines to ensure luggage arrived at the correct gate.

    My Uncle was called in to survey the problem that the airport was having(what the problem was they were being rather cagey about). When he arrived they lead him to the baggage sorting area where the system was currently turned off.

    The airport rep handed my Uncle and his co-workers hardhats (never a good sign) and hit the start switch for the system. Klaxons and flashing lights then ensued. As the observers raised their eyebrows in question and concern, the first pieces of baggage started moving along on the upper wall conveyor heading for the gravity fed ramps to the individual gates.

    As the baggage reached its designated gate a big push plate at the top of each ramp would shove the packages down the ramp. At first everything seems to be operating smoothly. But the force needed to propel a 50lb suitcase off a ledge and down a ramp is not the same as that needed for a 5lb vanity case. And in short order baggage was soaring through the air; sometimes clear passed the end of the baggage catches at the end of the ramps. Often bags tumbled even further off course.

    Through all of this baggage handlers in hardhats are running across the open space of the sorting room in a crouched position trying not to get pummeled by ballistic luggage.

    My Uncles company wrote up a proposal to fix the problem but the airport decided that it was too expensive and left the system as is. I never found out what airport it was, but my Uncle said that as of a few years ago the system was still operating the same way.

    No wonder luggage gets destroyed or "lost" so frequently.

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  22. Same idea, but without the laser... by fingal · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many, many, moons ago I got a job working here while I was doing my A levels and one of the things that they where working on was propulsion systems for extremely high speed planes. If my memory serves me (which is not guaranteed cos I was only humble code monkey and not privee to the finer arts of engineering theory and it was a long time ago), then they where planning to use conventional propulsion methods up to their maximum effective threshold and then start spraying fuel onto the trailing edge of the wings directly, which due to the intense heat and pressure due to the (already quite unfeasibly high) speed would spontaneously ignite thereby generating more thrust without all the hassles of trying to force an extremely unpredictable fluid down a tube at high speed. Absolutely no idea of whether or not they made any progress on this or whether or not I would be prepared to fly in one if they did...

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  23. I took one of Myrabo's classes... by G-Man · · Score: 2

    ...back around 1988. Everyone called him "Leik the Flake". He was my Prof for "Theory of Propulsion", and all he talked about were 'lightcraft', which was all well and good, except we didn't learn much about such 'ancient' technologies as piston and jet engines. He managed to get a lot of grant money though, since these were the SDI years and his research involved ultra-high power lasers tracking hypersonic targets (just for different purposes). Of course, if the guy turns out to be a visionary, I'll be ahead of the curve on all this new-fangled laser rocket science!