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Countries Ponder: GNU/Linux vs. Microsoft

koody writes: "IDG has an overview of how many countries are getting drawn into the debate over the relative merits of using open source software rather than Microsoft Corp.'s Windows applications. Seems like many countries would be slowly moving towards the open source community, while a few still pledge allegiance to Microsoft."

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  1. All I care about is the research by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really don't care what government decides to waste its money on (after all, if it wasn't software, it would be gold toilet seats).

    But I do care when government sponsored research into software is used by companies to make money. Last I checked, I didn't give Sun/MS/et all my tax dollars to make them richer. I want that research GPL'ed so that I know its available, that I, as a tax payer who paid for the R&D gets the benifits, and that it can be made even better by the world (and thus can help my government/business/etc).

    1. Re:All I care about is the research by ryanvm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I usually use the GPL for projects that I do. That said, there is a time and a place for BSD-like licenses.

      The Internet as we know it would probably not be the inexpensive and vast resource that it is today were it not for BSD licensed software (Berkley's TCP/IP stack springs to mind).

      I want that research GPL'ed so that I know its available, that I, as a tax payer [...] gets the benifits, and that it can be made even better by the world (and thus can help my government/business/etc).

      All of the demands that you have listed can just as easily be met by the BSD. The fact that Microsoft used Berkley's TCP/IP stack didn't make it vanish from the face of the Earth.

      Like I said, I prefer to use the GPL license, but I'm not so righteous that I demand everyone else do so as well. Free software is supposed to be about MORE choice, not LESS.

    2. Re:All I care about is the research by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is all rather silly, since I'm a GPL proponent myself. (Don't believe me? Check the link in my sig.) However FUD is still FUD, whether it's spread by Microsoft or by GPL advocates.

      BSD and Proprietary licences ensure works or derivatives BECOME or STAY UNFREE.

      Wrong. Derivatives of BSD may or may not be free, but the original works will always be free. You might not gain from someone else's development, but you never lose anything.

      Using public money to create works or derivatives that become or stay unfree is ridiculous. [..] It really pisses me off to pay for something twice. Once by taxation for the reasearch to create a resource and again for that same resource at retail.

      When your tax dollars are spent developing software that's licensed under the BSD, you will always be able to use it for free. You contend that because 1% of a commercial software product contains government-produced source code, the entire package must be free. I'm sorry, but THAT is ridiculous.

      Microsoft uses the BSD TCP/IP stack for free, then sells it to us.

      You aren't paying for the TCP/IP stack - you're paying for everything else added in. If all you wanted was Berkeley's TCP/IP stack you could have gotten it for free yourself - BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS BE FREE.

      I release my projects under the GPL because I choose to. And that is how it should be - a matter of choice. This blind, raving, zealotry that so many GPL advocates seem to posess is something we could all do without.

    3. Re:All I care about is the research by Perdo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Remove the BSD TCP/IP stack from Windows. How usable is Windows afterwards? Tell me again how Microsoft receives only 1% benefit from the BSD TCP/IP stack. Without the BSD TCP/IP stack, Windows is no better than a typewriter.

      Let's hypothesize further:

      The US government develops a new communication protocol stack. This New Protocol (NP) has some great features: Complete point to point encryption. Tight integration of video, voice and data. Cache based compression allowing small key bits to trigger the replay of locally cached data sets. The protocol stack is released under the BSD license.

      Microsoft embraces NP and renames it MSN/NP. Microsoft substitutes a modified version of the encryption and their own proprietary cached data set. Microsoft owns 95% of the desktop space. Microsoft leverages the popularity of MSN/NP content into control of most of the server market. AOL must license the technology or risk loosing all their customers. Macromedia ceases to exist. Apple turns over 90% of their profits to Microsoft just to keep Microsoft from abandoning the Mac platform. etc...

      MEANING: The BSD license can be embraced and extended. We receive no benefit for our tax dollars with a BSD license.

      The GPL is a poison pill, but only for companies trying to control a monopoly share of a market. The GPL, applied to software produced at taxpayer expense, insures companies can use the software without giving them the ability to exploit the software, as the BSD license allows.

      I am not a GPL zealot. I am a taxation zealot. This is MY MONEY we're talking about.

      Don't like the GPL's viral nature? Then write your own damn software.

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  2. Government administrators: It is your duty. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Government administrators should note that it is their duty to insure that all government work be done on completely open systems. The citizens and taxpayers of a democracy must have full access to all documents, even 40 or a hundred years from now. There is NO room in a democracy for proprietary, hidden ways of doing things.

  3. No monoculture is a good thing. by Fished · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The article makes an assumption that I don't think is very good - specifically, it assumes that a government should pick one OS and stick with it. In fact, that's the WORST thing a government can do. If one picks a single OS/Office combo, then you're stuck with it and you create an environment of increasing incompatibility with the rest of the world.

    What we need is not a better monoculture, but a polyculture (is that a word?) In a polyculture, one company (MS) can't create a format that's impossible for anyone else to implement properly and expect it to be widely used, because users will EXPECT interoperability. They'd be shooting themselves in the foot. By the same token, in a polyculture you have many different products that foster true innovation. I mean ... as much as office sucks, some parts of it have been truly innovative (some parts of Outlook, Excel.)

    Hell, in a monoculture half the time software isn't compatible with its previous version (think Office 95 vs. office 97.)

    I wouldn't want any government to mandate *one* operating system. Instead, I think that governments should mandate operating system diversity. That's the way to get true, robust reliability and ultimately save money.

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  4. The left hand should speak to the right hand... by Soko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whoa! Bill should pay attention to what his marketdriods say. To wit:

    Austria:

    One of Microsoft's flagship government customers, the Federal Ministry of the Interior in Austria, is the first government body in Europe to become a member of Microsoft's Shared Source Initiative. As part of the program, the Austrian government is allowed access to the Windows XP source code. Program benefits, according to Microsoft, include better understanding of the technical underpinnings of the operating system, better protection against security vulnerabilities and a resource for writing custom applications.


    *blink* Wha...? *blink*

    Microsoft admits - in full view of the world - that having access to the source improves the security and useability of an Operating System. Didn't some two bit think tank outfit just say that having access to the source was bad?

    That's a keeper if there ever was one - Microsoft just made the case for Free Software in spite of itself.

    Soko

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    1. Re:The left hand should speak to the right hand... by peddrenth · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Damn. Well noticed. Although according to microsoft, having access to the source code gives Austria enough knowledge to cause unspeakable damage to other users of windows (reference: the Ms/DoJ testimony), so I suppose this gives Austria a military advantage over any U.S. departments dim enough to use Ms/Windows software...

      Interesting

  5. Re:Tax dollars should not buy Microsoft products by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nor should tax dollars be spent on Bic pens, or Bostitch staplers, or Lockheed jets, or any other product built by an evil moneygrubbing company!
    Please...

    Like it or not, years ago M$ was the logical choice for software. And, like it or not, M$ has advanced, through a common user interface, the state of desktop computing.

    Now...that situation may be changing, with the advent of new open source tools and applications that actually work and can be used by the average office worker. BUT, an entity the size of (name your fave countries government) cannot change overnight.
    Give it time.

  6. Open source is not a monoculture by Vicegrip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is a standard that defines the expectation of people receiving software products from a company.

    There is a ton of variety in the world of GNU/Linux with a multitude of different vendors competing for the attention of Linux users. It is, in fact, the monoculture that Microsoft causes its products to exist in (by making interopability as difficult as possible) that is at the root of the discontent we are seeing around the world that is shifting the momentum away from Microsoft.
    In fact, open source is the opposite of what you argue. By following standards, open source guarantees its users they will continue to have choices.

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