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UCSD Students Tracking Their Friends' Locations
An Anonymous Coward writes: "The location-tracking software, developed by a 15-year-old student at the university, draws upon triangulation technology. The PDAs figure out their locations by comparing the strength levels of signals traveling from the devices to various Wi-Fi antennas. No GPS Required. Article from Salon here..."
Nothing is better than sneaking up behind your friends and shooting them w/ non lethal devices!
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from the marco!-...-polo! department?
Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion.
Gee, instead of leaving this tracking device in my desk, I'll take it with me when I decide to do something wrong.
If you wind up getting caught because you have one of these on you, then its you're own fault. Unless it's actually wired to you, then just leave it at home. This isn't big brother stuff, more like his little cousin's.
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There is a company Cell-loc that has been working on this same sort of thing, wireless location technology, without GPS.
I can certainly see that this sort of thing is going to get big, and a large number of companies are going to want it bad.
It's kinda neat stuff, and it nicely fits where GPS doesn't: Downtown. GPS requires line-of-site to the satelites, and without that you get no position. When you are downtown, amongst big buidlings, you can't find anything.
Asset tracking is going to be big too. Help! I lost my car/pet/wife/computer!
BUUUUUT!
I just can't see how that information is going to be private, I mean when the cops can simply get a warrent for the information, bam! instant confirmation of location. Privacy Agreement or not.
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There is nothing technically innovative about triangulating a radio signal, and as compared to cell-phones, it is a terrible way to try to meet up with friends.
Basically, the most valuable thing about this is as a publicity tool for HP and UCSD.
No need to mess around with all that. With the new legislation you can just ask one of your mates that works at one of hundreds of pseude-randomly chosen places to hand over the phone location records that he suddenly has access to.
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Such starry-eyed naivete and optimism baffles me. Surely no one actually expects college-aged persons to think for themselves?
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"What 18- or 20-year-olds will do with these PDAs today is what 35-year-olds will be doing with them tomorrow."
Don't you mean, "what 35-year-olds will be doing with them in 15 to 17 years?"
Idea for a campus business (imagine this being an ad printed on a blue/yellow paper with bold white/black letters): .50cents an hour we will move your PDA from place to place within the campus premises until midnight."
"Tired of being constantly tracked by your girlfriend? Need a getaway? You can buy our unique services for as low as 19.99 a month. For this amount of money one of our operatives will carry your PDA with him/her from 9AM till 6PM. For an additional
I should write a full business plan, name it something like "Nano/Security" present it to some investors and spend the rest of my days in Bahamas!
You can't handle the truth.
I am one of those CS students who receieved a free PDA and I've never seen anyone do anything other than goof around on the internet in lecture with them.
We did however make use of another app called activeclass that was semi-interesting, allowing students to post quetions to the professor during lecture (moderated by a TA). Unfortunately it tended to take so long to input the question on the PocketPC PDAs (which I find to be clunky and sluggish, I ended up giving my PDA to a family member to use) that the question was no longer relevant by the time I entered it.
you can read about it here:
http://activecampus.ucsd.edu/
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The computer science department at CMU as well as the Human Computer Interaction Institute (HCII) and the department of Electrical and Computer Engineering have been putting out papers on actual implementations of campus location systems. Most deal with its use for contextual/location aware computing (one of the more recent papers). Although some have dealt with the privacy implications (I should know, I was an author of one published at IEEE Wireless 2001). Project Aura deals with quite a bit of reasearch around what can be done positivly with this technology as well.
As one last thing, I wrote software to poll wavepoints and figure out a location over 1.5 years ago... It was less than 50 lines of C, so I have trouble being impressed by this.
Would you do it for some scoobie crack?
A 15-year-old student at the University? Man, it kills me to hear stuff like that. That poor kid probably thinks he's tough stuff now, but I'm betting he'll regret his lack of a social life later on. There are more important things in life than advancing quickly.
There are probably tons of people here that could've skipped grades at a time, but wouldn't you at least want to be in your sexual prime when you went to college?
Somebody needs to watch American Beauty again - you gotta stop and smell the roses.
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This sounds similar to the triangulation the cell phone companies tried to use to locate phones when ordered to do so by law enforcement (to comply with CALEA and ostensibly E-911.) That didn't work well enough in rural cell areas, however, thus the move to on-board GPS receivers in cell phones.
The thing that amused me the most was the error in the Salon article's description of the technology involved:
The location-tracking software itself, developed by a 15-year-old student at the university, draws upon triangulation technology used by global positioning system (GPS) devices. The PDAs figure out their locations by comparing the strength levels of signals traveling from the devices to various Wi-Fi antennas.
GPS does not use signal strength. GPS uses differential timing. This system and software work like a GPS in the same way that a kitchen stove works like a microwave oven. Love them Salon facts.
John