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nucal writes "Here's a site rating Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics. A really thorough site with a rating system which ranges from GP (Good Physics) to XP (Obviously physics from an unknown universe)." My vote goes to the helix of M&M's.

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  1. Explosions in space by SVDave · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I am reminded of what J. Michael Straczynski, creator of Babylon 5, said about the sounds of explosions in space in B5. He said to think of it as music. In the real world, there's no music in the blackness of space, playing dramatically as ships go by, but even physicists don't get upset when they hear music in space in the movies. So think of the sounds of the explosions as music, added for effect.

    BTW, I was mildly amused by the ego on display in their review of The Matrix:

    The Matrix had real potential as a cerebral thriller. ... We would have preferred less oracle mumbo jumbo. ... The Matrix fails to meet its potential because it just can't leave the artificial science in the computer simulation along with the artificial intelligence.

    Somehow, I don't think the creators were aiming to make it a "cerebral thriller". If the maintainers of intuitor.com didn't like The Matrix, that's fine, but they should review the difference between "fails to meet its potential" and "fails to meet your expectations."

  2. What timing by DarkHelmet · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I come to slashdot to see this story after watching Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

    That would definately have to be physics from another universe...

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    1. Re:What timing by mfago · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon" was a Chinese fable.
      i.e. not meant to be taken literally.

      It is a great movie once you keep that fact in mind.

  3. Did you see what write on "Falls" by kinnunen · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The general principle is that each additional meter of height is like adding the kinetic energy of another .45 cal bullet. Hence, a mere six-meter (19.8-foot) fall, which would be routine for an action hero, compares to being simultaneously shot by six .45 cal bullets, from a kinetic energy standpoint. True, bullets are incredibly lethal because they can easily penetrate into vital organs. A fall on sidewalk would lack the penetration. However, it's pretty hard to completely avoid injury from being shot six times with a .45, even when wearing a bulletproof vest.

    Now what kind of a dumbass analogy is that? You don't need to be shot by six bullets to get injured, one will do just fine. However I (and I'm sure most of you too) have survived 1-meter falls numerous times without injuries. Does that mean if I get shot by one bullet I wont get hurt? Hell no.

    Yes a six meter fall will most likely hurt you, but pick a better analogy.

  4. In space, nobody can hear you groan... by jcsehak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That really pissed me off, it was such a tease. When I saw the explosion and heard no sound, I said to myself "OMG, this is like the first movie since 2001 (the space oddessy) to get this right." I was so excited; it really made me feel like I was in space. Then a second later, boom. *sigh*

    I don't know if maybe those were supposed to be electro-magnetic concussive waves or something, but whatever they were, it's impossible for sound to move in space. You wouldn't have heard them. On the other hand, as the site points out, flying debris moves through space quite well without any gravity or air resistance to bother with. I'd love to see a space movie where people were afraid to shoot at each other for fear of their own ships getting torn apart by the debris.

    People say that adding sound to the explosions and whatnot makes it more dramatic, but I totally disagree. The silent bits in 2001 were among the most nerve-wracking in any space film. I just don't understand why people insist on going "boom."

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  5. Re:Outrunning the sun by Spock+the+Baptist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Arrrrrgh! No! no! no!

    Mr. Ebert confused the speed of the shadow of an object on Earth with the speed of the Earths Terminator.

    Here's my e-mail to Mr. Ebert...

    Mr. Ebert recently wrote in his review of THE MUMMY RETURNS:

    "4. I have written before of the ability of movie characters to outrun fireballs. In "The Mummy Returns," there is a more amazing feat. If the rising sun touches little Alex while he is wearing the magical bracelet, he will die (it is written). But Rick, carrying Alex in his arms, is able to outrace the sunrise; we see the line of sunlight moving on the ground right behind them. It is written by Eratosthenes that the Earth is about 25,000 miles around, and since there are 24 hours in a day, Rick was running approximately 1,041 miles an hour."

    Mr. Ebert is in error.

    Mr. Ebert has over-simplified the geometry, and physics of the velocity of shadows generated by the Sun.

    While it is true that the Earth's rotates with an angular velocity of ~7.29e-5, and thus has a tangental rotational velocity of ~1041 mph, it is manifestly untrue that a shadow cast by mountains, canyon walls, etc. also travel at 1041 mph.

    The velocity of the shadow is a function of not only the Earth's angular velocity, but also of the hight of the object, the time of day, as well as the time of year.

    Consider the shadow cast by a flag pole. The length of the shadow is infinite at sunrise, but at local noon it will be at minimum at local noon. If the pole is located along the equator, and it's an equinox the the shadow will have a length of zero. Thus in six hours the shadow will have gone from infinitely long to infinitely short, thus having an average velocity that is infinite. (It is written by Zeno of Elea) A second example may serve to make my point a bit better. Consider the same day, and the same flag pole, but this time let us stipulate that the flag pole is 100 feet tall. As 09:00 local time the Sun will be 45 degrees above the horizon therefore the shadow will be 100 feet long as the oppsite, and adjacent sides of a 45 degree right triangle are equal. Thus, in the three hours between 09:00, and 12:00 local time the shadow of the flag pole will have moved 100 feet. Thus, the average speed at which the shadow will move in this period will be 100 feet / 3hours = 33.33... feet per hour, or ~0.0063131313... mph. Manifestly, this is very much less that 1041 mph.

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  6. Exactly! by edunbar93 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If I had moderator points, I'd mod you up.

    This is exactly what I say to people who have a problem with this movie. (and that's always the reason they have a problem with this movie, clearly they're not terribly imaginative.)

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  7. What about 2001? by Ozan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think including "2001 - A Space Odyssey" would have completed the review, stating that showing correct physics and making a good movie isn't impossible.

  8. How does they know these things are unphysical? by rsidd · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'm not at all impressed by their movie reviews. Take AI, which gets their worst rating: they're not impressed that the robots are self-sustaining, "what about energy, refuelling, rebuilding?" They claim it violates the laws of thermodynamics. Well, first law -- how do they know it's being violated? Maybe the things run on solar energy, or geothermal energy, or some such thing which is not inexhaustible but is "forever" on the timescales we're concerned with. Second law -- the earth is not a closed system, it constantly gets energy from the sun. Second law doesn't apply. Maybe they have automatic robot factories which run on solar power, it's not impossible.

    That wasn't the only example. He can't conceive of a machine which can act as a helicopter and a submarine at the same time -- but a hundred years ago people couldn't have conceived of helicopters in the first place. Why should he evaluate everything by present-day technology?

    The Phantom Menace review was even worse. There was no real "physics" being objected to, only stuff like "if the force field can stop water, why doesn't it stop humans who are 80% water?" If we don't know how it works, how can we pass judgements on such things? Perhaps it actively detects the presence of humans or biological objects. Perhaps it only stops liquids and not solids. Perhaps any number of other explanations.

    Remember Clarke's third law: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." Conversely, in the movies, anything which looks like magic could be the product of sufficiently advanced technology.

    Overall, I'm not impressed.

  9. Spiderman by jaaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm replying to this late and haven't read all of the posts yet, so don't kill me if this has been mentioned already.

    Did anyone notice that Spiderman's powers apparently allow him to fall faster than the pull of gravity? Every time Mary Jane is falling from the sky, he somehows accelerates and catches up to her. I don't care that he may be in a more aerodynamic diving form, there's no way he could catch her in such a short distance. It's little physics things like this that so many people miss. The general public's concept of actual physical principles is fairly poor.

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  10. My favourites in movie physics by theolein · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1.People using other people as bullet shields. Unless it's a small gun or get's stopped by a particularly large piece of bone (the thickness of the actor's skull?) most jacketed bullets will go through the victim and into the guy behind him using him as a shield.
    2.Bullets being stopped by tables, car doors or trunks and wodden walls. A 9mm bullet will go through about 9 half inch thick tables and will quite easily penetrate a car door or trunk and hit the people in the car.
    3.The cars exploding on impact.
    4.Unlimited amunition(tm)
    5.The hero's ability to waste all the bad guys with his 9mm Pistol although they're firing at him with assault rifles on full auto.
    6.Sound in Space(tm) (brought to you by Microsoft DirectSpace(R))
    7.Fancy aerobatics in Space(tm)
    8.Drag in Space(tm)
    9.Aerodynamic spaceship that can't land on a planet (Alien got this right in the later movies)
    10.Amazingly humananoid aliens(tm)
    11.Slow, visible lasers.
    12.The abundance of artificial gravity in space ships.

  11. Why are space craft always the same way up? by zero-one · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why, when two spacecraft meet in the middle of space are they always the same way up relative to each other? Surly with no gravity or reference points, it would not be unusual to meet other space craft in space that are upside down etc.