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Record Industry Wants Royalties for Used CD Sales

cuberat writes "In a continuing effort to maintain their image as evil incarnate, record companies are considering charging used CD retailers a royalty for every CD they resell. The story is in today's San Diego Union-Tribune here. When are these guys going to get a clue?"

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  1. Never happen. by Fantanicity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The supreme court likes taking the side of the consumer in cases involving the doctine of first sale

  2. Re:Suggestion by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful
    We could always start boycotting used CDs

    Which would acomplish exactly what the recording industry wants.

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  3. Double billing? by Cheap+Imitation · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This would be perfectly fair. As long as the record companies refund me the royalty fee for each cd I sell back to the store, since I am relenquishing my right to use the CD.

    If they can bill for royalties for reselling a used CD (thus billing royalties twice for that CD), then the royalties aren't strictly tied to the ownership of the physical CD.

    That should mean I could either legally keep the mp3s I burned from that CD, since I've already paid for the royalties, OR, they should refund me the royalty fee when I relenquish possession of the CD.

  4. Government for Sale by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "One proposed remedy being debated by record label executives is federal legislation requiring used-CD retailers to pay royalties on secondary sales of albums."

    It's interesting how the federal government is seen as a convenient tool for furthering the music industry's profits. The article makes it appear that the moment a decision is made, the government will heel. No one bothers to point out how chilling this idea is.

    1. Re:Government for Sale by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm glad to see I'm not alone in being chilled by that.

      The journalist makes another presumptuous statement that bears considering in more detail:

      Sales have been hurt largely by a surge in piracy which the National Federation of the Phonographic Industry estimates has cost the music business $4.2 billion in lost revenue last year.

      Okay, the second half of the sentence is fine (it's bullshit, but it's really their estimate.) Now, the first half of the sentence, which I've emboldened, clearly takes it as a given that piracy is the primary cause for the meager 11 billion sales figure. That's lousy journalism - printing something as fact which, frankly, most respected members of the relevant profession (economics, not music promotion) don't agree with is shoddy. In this case, he's also being a tool for the Man.

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  5. Death of the Business by Alien54 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The industry worries that the expanding used market is cannibalizing new-CD sales, as well as promoting piracy by allowing consumers to buy, record and sell back discs while retaining their own digitally pristine copies.

    It also means that people will avoid other new formats that as effectively copy protected, because they will go ahead and buy/sell used CDS, etc. As the RIAA will discover, the "sheep" the want to sheer continue to rebel.

    The only solution will be to actually have an original musical product. Not that the RIAA will be able to do this.

    Looks liker the death of an industry, because the things they think they have to do, will also kill off the industry.

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  6. ... then only outlaws will resell by frovingslosh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We might as well make it illegal to sell used cars. After all, poor Detroit goes to a lot of trouble to make those new cars, far more than the recording industry does when they just stamp out CD's and run funny acounting practices to cheat the artists.

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  7. Sales Remain the Same == Stagnating?? by mr_don't · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The focus on the used-CD market comes at a time when new-CD sales continue to stagnate in the United States. Total sales last year were about $13 billion, unchanged from 2000.

    Sales have been hurt largely by a surge in piracy, which the National Federation of the Phonographic Industry estimates has cost the music business $4.2 billion in lost revenue last year.

    Hunh? If sales remain the same from one year to the next, how have Sales have been hurt? Does the record industry actually think that everybody who pirates or shares music would actually buy a copy of everything that they listen to? I think they would - if a CD cost $2 instead of $16.99 and Musicians got a bigger cut of the dough!

  8. Have they ever sold any used CDs? by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Well, no, because that would be piracy, or bad, or something. But I can vouch for the overwhelming BS factor in this sentence fragment:

    as well as promoting piracy by allowing consumers to buy, record and sell back discs while retaining their own digitally pristine copies.

    I've been in dire enough straits that I've had, on more than one occasion, to go through my collection and decide whether that rare Stereolab single was worth more than rent (arghh!). Any place I've ever been, $3 per full-length album was pretty damn good; most of the time it was $2.00 or $2.50. That's one damned expensive way of ripping MP3s and screwing Emimem over, even if you figure that the pirate (ahem) bought the damned thing used. And if there's even one scratch, forget it. And we all know how pristine our CDs stay, right?

    On another note, I've recorded my own CD (acoustic guitar sadboy emo-folk), and I made 500 copies. I sold a few, have a lot more sitting around my apartment, and every now and then I'll come across a copy in a used CD store. I can't even begin to tell how thrilling it is to see this. I've come across so many wonderful and amazing albums in used CD stores that I either would never have been able to afford new, or else would never have thought to try, or else have never been able to find anywhere else. (If anyone can point me to a copy of Lotion's third album, let me know.)

    My point is that if someone was to do this nasty pirate thing -- buy it, rip MP3s, then sell it back -- I think it would almost be like catch-and-release fishing: enjoy the fun, and make sure it's there for the next person too. And I'd still be thrilled to see a copy in a used CD store. I'm not proud. :-)

  9. Ferry Operators trying to block the bridge by heretic108 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The large scale recording industry as we now know it started in the late 19th to early 20th centuries.

    In times when per-capits musical skills were far higher than now, published sheet music was all the rage. The publishers would hire a singer and pianist to appear at every music store to promote the latest offerings. At that time, the product being sold was just the composition - lyrics, melody, arrangement, chords etc.

    Later, as mass-production of recordings became viable, this industry changed accordingly, recruiting the best exploitable artists. At that time, many sheet music printers and performing singers/musicians found themselves out of work, as new technology replaced old.

    As for mass-communicating the offerings, remember that Buggles song - 'Video Killed the Radio Star' - need I say more? The technology of filmclip production and the rise of colour TV saw a decline in radio's popularity. Ditto for cinemas, as video distribution has partly taken over the movie market.

    But society has proved itself capable of making meaningful adaptations to new advances in technology. I suggest that the whole system of private intellectual property ownership was great at the time, but has been made redundant by the explosion of this new technology for cheap efficient distribution.

    I now suggest that the recording/publishing industry, as we've known it for a century, is now obsolete - and look forward to seeing the wonderful cultural adaptations that will come in its wake.

    The struggle by the recording industry to keep its obsolete business model in place makes about as much sense as ferry operators trying to charge a royalty for everyone skipping the ferry and using the new bridge.

    My suggestion to the recording industry would be to start winding up operations, and investing heavily in internet infrastructure, especially broadband. You'll get your goddam money, guys, but you're going to have to adapt!

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  10. RIAA Shoots own foot again (pass the bullets) by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article says "A spokesman for the Recording Industry Association of America, which represents the major record labels, said it is especially concerned that many used CDs are being bought by people who "rip" the music using widely available CD-burner devices, then sell the used CDs back to the secondhand stores where they were originally purchased"

    Don't these turkeys understand that copy protection makes that situation worse?

    Instead of buying a CD for $12 (giving the recording company its full entitlement), copying it, and then selling it back for $6, the smart cookies will now buy a copy-protected CD, rip it using whatever technique works on that particular system -- then take it back and demand a refund because it doesn't play properly on their equipment.

    Instead of earning the full royalty on the CD sale the recording industry loses every penny!

    And with such shortsightedness being demonstrated on an almost daily basis they wonder why they're losing money??

  11. Hard-to-find music by ansible · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I thought this was one of the more interesting paragraphs in the article:

    Allen said the industry's target audience has changed in recent years from college students trying to build inexpensive record collections to mostly male music fans between the ages of 18 and 34 looking for out-of-print and hard-to-find copies.

    You'd think in this day and age, it would be easy enough to keep in print (even with just a small stock) every CD ever made. But it doesn't seem to be working out that way, huh?

    The situation is just as bad with books. You'd think some print-to-order system would be a great service for rare and less popular books. Of course, they would be more expensive than the mass-produced versions. But I'd rather spend a few more bucks, and be able to order a copy easily, than hunt through various used-book stores.

    We have all this information technology, but we're not putting it to its best use.