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Open-Source Pioneers Make Bid for .org

wdb writes: "A NY Times article (free subscription required) describes the competition surrounding control of the .org domain, which Verisign coughed up in order to keep .com and .net from going to the highest bidder. Open source and Internet pioneers Paul Vixie and Carl Malamud have entered the fray; central to their bid is their announced intent to place all the software necessary to manage a TLD in the public domain. 'This shouldn't be a dot-com opportunity,' Mr. Malamud said. 'There has been a lot of smoke and mirrors, but what we need is actually a public utility that is well managed in the public interest.'"

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  1. Re:TLDs, etc by reemul · · Score: 5, Informative

    An infinite number of TLDs pretty makes TLDs meaningless. The system only has value if it fosters a useful hierarchical system for resolving hostnames. (This says nothing at all about the system and politics for creating and administering that hierarchy, just the functionality.) As the number of TLDs increases, the extension becomes less a pointer to where to look for the domain, and more an arbitrary few letters tacked on the name because it looks cool. By the time DNS finds the root for the exotic TLD, it might as well have looked directly for the domain without bothering with that root at all.

    An analogy: File folders are useful to organize large amounts of paper. One can look for the folder first, then in that folder for a specific document. Why bother using file folders if every piece of paper gets a separate folder? Such a large number of folders no longer helps organize the data; they just take up space in the drawer.

    A few more well thought out and well discussed TLDs won't hurt, but an unmonitored flood of them from everyone and everywhere defeats the entire purpose of the system.

    --
    You're just jealous 'cuz the voices talk to *me*
  2. Re:Naming Conventions by Mandomania · · Score: 2, Informative

    It was, once. Just like .net was restricted to organizations that provided network access. But once the land grab started, it became painfully obvious that money was much more important than tradition.

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    Mando

  3. Re:Private industry is the answer. by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Informative

    Considering that .org was privatized years ago when it was handed over to Network Solutions/VeriSign, I guess the parent is some kind of troll.

  4. Paul Vixie aready runs root servers by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Paul Vixie already runs a number of root servers. Therefore "only if they're best qualified to do the job" is a specious argument. Paul already meets that criteria in spades.

    1. Re:Paul Vixie aready runs root servers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      Running a gTLD, however, probably means running your own version of BIND (at least, I think Verisign runs a tweaked version for their domains - not that Vixie would have any trouble tweaking BIND ;)),

      VeriSign runs a very highly customized back end that has not had much relationship to the BIND code for years. The DNS servers process six billion transactions a day, thats more than the routing for all the telephone calls on the planet.

      There are a bunch of press releases on the Web site about the deals with IBM to purchase the hardware (two deals of $20 mil. each). There was also a recent public announcement of the 'Atlas' architecture that will replace the current setup sometime this year.

    2. Re:Paul Vixie aready runs root servers by rustman · · Score: 2, Informative

      Paul previously ran f.root-servers.net (which I believe was the successor to ns.isc.org) which was also a GTLD server before the GTLD's were split onto their own servers around the end of 2000.

      So he can and has done it. Here's some background from some messages posted to NANOG-L over the years.

      A letter on 8/8/2000 from Network Solutions:

      On 8 August, 2000, Network Solutions took actions in compliance with the cooperative agreement with the Department of Commerce to discontinue use of the 'InterNIC' name. One specific aspect of this change involves the server named rs0.internic.net, which had been the primary name server for the root-servers.net domain name along with secondary servers ns.ripe.net,
      ns.isi.edu and ns-ext.vix.com.

      All four of these servers were removed from the root-servers.net domain name and replaced with the following servers which were already functioning as root servers:

      a.root-servers.net
      f.root-servers.net
      k.root-servers.net
      j.root-servers.net

      At 1730 EDT, the new suite of name servers began acting authoritatively for the root-servers.net domain.

      The net zone will be updated to reflect the root-servers.net nameserver entries in serial #2000080801.

      The four hosts rs0.internic.net, ns.isi.edu, ns.ripe.net, and ns-ext.vix.com will continue to serve the root-servers.net zone with the new list of name servers. These hosts will continue to remain active until the time of the new name server suite exceeds the Time To Live (TTL), as defined in the root-servers.net zone. That TTL is currently set to 3,600,000 seconds, or
      about 42 days.

      This is an operational change that transferred very smoothly. You will NOT need to make any configuration changes on your machines. You will NOT need a new root.cache file.

      From: "Verd, Brad"
      Subject: TLD operations change
      Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 15:56:49 -0400

      Effective zone serial number 2000080101, g.root-servers.net (192.112.36.4) will no longer be authoritatively answering for com, net, org. In its place g.gtld-servers.net (198.41.3.101) will be added as an authoritative server for com, net, org.

      The new set of servers authoritative for these TLDs will be:
      A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.4
      G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.101
      E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 207.200.81.69
      F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.17.208.67
      F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 192.5.5.241
      J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.21
      K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 195.8.99.11
      A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.38
      M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 210.176.152.18
      C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 205.188.185.18
      I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 192.36.144.133
      B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 203.181.106.5

      G.root-servers.net will continue to answer for the gov, mil, arpa, in-addr.arpa and root zones.

      From: "Verd, Brad"
      Subject: Root zone change -- d.gtld-servers.net
      Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:43 -0400

      Effective zone serial number 2000091901, f.root-servers.net (192.5.5.241) will no longer be in the list as authoritative for com, net, org. In its
      place d.gtld-servers.net (208.206.240.5) will be added as an authoritative server for com, net, org.

      The new set of servers authoritative for these TLDs will be:
      A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.4
      G.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.101
      E.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 207.200.81.69
      F.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.17.208.67
      D.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 208.206.240.5
      J.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.0.21
      K.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 195.8.99.11
      A.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 198.41.3.38
      M.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 210.176.152.18
      C.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 205.188.185.18
      I.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 192.36.144.133
      B.GTLD-SERVERS.NET. 203.181.106.5

      This will not require any change to the root.cache file and
      f.root-servers.net will provide answers for com, net, and org in parallel for enough time to accommodate the zone's TTLs.

      And finally, this message talks about Bind 8.2.2. running on f.root-servers.net (which as I recall was still serving com/net/org/mil/edu.

      Subject: BIND 8.2.2 (T3B; RC0) is available for general testing
      Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:01:59 -0700
      From: Paul A Vixie

      Confidence: moderate. This is running on part of F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET and on all of our local production servers. The only reasons it's not a full release candidate are that IXFR is still disabled and we're still tinkering with the NT support.

      -rusty

  5. Re:spelling... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    NYT style is to treat pronounceable acronyms of five letters or longer as words, rather than initials.

  6. Registration-free link by RobHornick · · Score: 2, Informative