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AP reports on renewed "Browser War"
An anonymous reader writes "CNN and others are reporting an Associated Press story on "the revived browser war" with Mozilla paired against Microsoft. It seems the 1.0 release is creating some waves out there. " Considering most people consider
the war long since over, I can't imagine this mattering much.
Keep in mind that CNN and Netscape (which is based on Mozilla) are owned by the same company: AOL/Time-Warner.
-- Brian
The most rabid believers in American Exceptionalism are the exact same people whose policies are destroying it.
NEW YORK (AP) That's the associated press' byline. CNN didn't write the story, they simply published it. Lots of other news outlets will publish it, too.
It's a joke. A quote from Animal House.
The most rabid believers in American Exceptionalism are the exact same people whose policies are destroying it.
It's an AP story that they're running. The AP is not associated with AOL-TW.
The Washington Post has a favorable review of Mozilla 1.0 as well, with I though was interesting because a) it's read by politicians among others, and b) it is a review of Mozilla and not Nutscrape.
Anyway, here is the link. One of his favorite features was the ability to block ads. He even tells people how to turn that feature on.
-Pete
Soccer Goal Plans
The fact that the source is available doesn't make a program more vulnerable. You need to do some research on insecurity through obscurity before you start spouting -- it's a well-known fact that crypto algorithms are made available for peer review for exactly this purpose. A thoroughly reviewed code-base is much more secure than a closed-source one, and can be fixed much more quickly if a vulnerability is found.
I do not read or respond to AC's. If you want a discussion, log in. Otherwise, don't waste your time.
Eh? What's that? Is this the same company that called the GPL "pac-man like" and Linux "unamerican?" How is it that all of a sudden that can't speak on rival products?
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Works perfectly in Konqueror (KDE3)! :)
My other account has a 3-digit UID.
This is a troll but I'll bite.
Mozilla is slow,
Moz 1 beats IE on page loads. The slow part is start up and the only reason that IE can do it faster is that you load everything but the window when you start your computer!
large
well apps usually take all the memory they can get (at least on Linux) and me not running much right now top reports that its taking only 35 megs right now. That's not bad and moz will run on a machine with 16 megs.
buggy at best
I can count on one hand how many times moz has crashed on me since 0.96, oh maybe you're talking about IE only webpages. You should stay away from those anyway.
The war of the browsers is over and IE won. Not because it's the better browser, but because everything is now written to be IE compatible rather that standards compliant.
No not everything. I'm in charge of a web development team and we write standards complient code. We've designed dozens of sites, they all work and work right.
And I'm not the only one either. I have visited maybe one site in the last few months that didn't show right in mozilla. So try it before just assuming things. Sweeping generalizations are bad.
The Anti-Blog
- Uses a complex CSS-based layout (though simple ones work pretty well)
- Renders correctly in IE5, IE6, and Mozilla
- Adheres strictly to the standards (XHTML 1.1, CSS2)
- Doesn't use any browser detection tricks
Things are getting very close, but the browsers are not quite ready for well-designed, browser-agnostic pages using the latest standards."Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it."
--Henry David Thoreau
Turn off all of those unrequested popups with a couple of mouse clicks, or you can go back to using IE and have to close a bazillion windows every time you are done surfing.
Actually, that's all it takes for IE, too--just use the highest possible security settings, including "Disable Active Scripting," for your "Internet" zone. Probably 90% of the websites I surf render just fine without it. And if I think I'm ever going to come back to one of the 10% that don't, I can add it to my "trusted" sites list, which uses "Internet"-level security settings.
!#@%*)anks for hanging up the phone, dear.
Two things... one, sites work with IE because they were made/tested for that. I can do all sorts of things in Mozilla I can't in IE (transparent PNG, advanced CSS, etc), but I have to cripple my work just so IE users can see it.
Second, have you downloaded Mozilla? How do you know it "works best"? I know quite a few people that like the way Mozilla works better (pop-up blocking, tabs, etc).
Actually, IE6 already has doctype sniffing. Unfortunately, it has a glitch so that if you put <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?> or something similar as your first line, which is standard for XHTML, IE becomes confused, even if you specify the proper doctype on the second line. The result is that this puts the browser into "quirks" mode, which is probably exactly what you don't want if you're writing XHTML.
Of course, even in its "strict" mode, IE6's CSS layout is far from perfect, so the changes in IE7 will be great. And finally being able to use PNG's properly will ROCK!
"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it."
--Henry David Thoreau
Believe it or not, this doesn't seem to work with the newer builds of Mozilla.
By this I mean you can set the user agent pref (See prefs.js and edit/create user.js to set your own) and the about:mozilla page reports the correct faked agent. But go to any web page that reports your user-agent string back to you (such as here near the bottom) and it still gives the old built-in user agent string. Since I have no real reason to fake my string, (and this therefore doesn't affect me) I haven't filed a bug report.
Curiouser, an outdated mozilla.org page reports the correct values. (Scroll down to "Profile of Your Browser".
Another thing is that navigator.appVersion string cannot be changed other than modifying the source... it won't get changed with a faked user agent string. There's an entry in bugzilla for this.
So what gives? I dunno, other than there seem to still be a few quirks of Mozilla that won't likely be worked out for a few more versions.
Why they chose to block any customers remains a mystery
I like to browse with konqueror and I try to do something about it when I can't. I send a polite email to the webmaster telling my problems. They usually are surprised that their site, created with whatever "point-and-click" website creation tools their artists are able to use, doesn't work for standard browsers. They are even ignorant of the fact that the web standard is published by the W3C, not microsoft. The happy ending to the story usually is that one more website becomes compliant with the *true* standard and one less website requires IE.
- popups can come up in new tabs, and each tab can have its own close button. You can kill popups without even looking at them! It also makes it easier to kill tabs without leaving the tab you're looking at (unlike the middle-click in mozilla)
- The searches text inputs are very unobtrusive. It doesn't pop up that big ugly sidebar that insists on popping up even when you're doing normal searches in the main window.
- It saves the state of your browsing session, so you can open everything just like it was when you left off after quitting / rebooting / crashing / etc. Big time saver!
- The Preferences are in the Settings menu item, and not "Edit" or something silly like that
- Nice autobookmarks feature of your most-browsed sites, when you don't feel like mucking around in your history
- A bunch of other inane but useful features that really click in a way no other browser has clicked for me
:P
Of course, it's a challenge building it to keep up with the pace of Mozilla development, but once it works, it's really nice... (of course with debian, it's just a simple apt-get source -b galeon )Nope, it's in the UI. Open a bunch of tabs and then go to Bookmarks->File Bookmark... Check the "File as Group" option and a group bookmark containing all the open tabs is created. In "Manage Bookmarks" it behaves as a folder so you can add and remove individual pages.
What do most people who design for IE do to avoid this silliness? Is there any 24 bit graphic format that supports an alpha layer in IE? No, really, I'd like to know.
Yes. There is. PNG.
You just can't use it straight in an IMG tag, you need to instance a DirectX blending filter. It's not complicated at all, but granted, it is platform-specific.
NO CARRIER
MacCentral has a related Interview with Marc Andreessen here.
Catch Phrases for me were:
You know what WAP stands for; it's the sound a WAP cell phone makes when you throw it in the wastebasket.
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My attitude is, everybody should try competing with Microsoft once in their life. Once.
Enjoy the read.
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