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Bringing Echelon In From the Cold

An anonymous reader writes: "UPI columnist James C. Bennett says that governments are going to spy no matter what. So he suggests that it would be better to admit that Echelon exists, and formulate some reasonable guidelines on such spying, than to pretend that it doesn't and let governments go about their business without any scrutiny. Interesting suggestion. But who will watch those watchers? And who will watch them? "

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  1. Viscera. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
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    But what is a "fish-hook" and a "goldfish" ? Thanks in advance.

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  6. Alternative History points to crap like Echelon by Fantastic+Lad · · Score: -1, Troll
    All this nonsense about spying and power in our 'control reality' is tiresome and annoying and even scary if you haven't been dulled to the point of apathy by it all. --But it has all been pointed to before. . .

    Here's one you're all sure to love. . .

    Let's take an alternative look at world history. --After, that is, one manages to overcome the dogma and social shyness people are imbibed with regarding any stepping outside the bounds of the 'Official Story' with which we were all hammered during our childhoods, (that time of our lives when we were most vulnerable and least capable of examining ideas critically due simply to our innocence and the pressure to please the adult world, to "fit in"). --After one honestly takes the time to recognize, examine, research and generally wade through the sea of new-age crap to do some proper cross referencing of the more reliable information, theories and material evidence, one will be surprised to discover just how quickly the story takes on dimensions of plausibility. It 'Feels' right, once you shed the media & social conditioning.

    And what the heck am I talking about here. . ? What alternative history? Well, let me throw one of the most charged and outrageous words in the world at you, (a quality, btw, which is often a strong indicator of just how feared such ideas are by those who recognize the truth in them but who would most certainly not benefit from broad acceptance thereof).

    "Atlantis." --And no, Not a lost island. Not a magic place of wonders. That's the standard disinfo. Atlantis was no more a place than NATO may be considered a place. It was a period of history; the lost civilization was more an ideology which spread itself across the globe. It was an empire. And it was a part in a cycle. (One of the concepts you will run across is that 'Time' as it is commonly accepted, doesn't work the way as described in the manuals they handed out. Time is cyclical in a sense. This has all happened before; it is the cycle itself which evolves, hitting all the same landmarks, but changing and mutating in how it responds to the same bumps in the road.)

    To be very brief: Atlantis, (the counterpart to the current United States), made a massive bid for domination and power, and in doing so, self-destructed. Comet showers devastating the planet were partly to blame. The internal power structure weakened by corruption was partly to blame. And the rise of the rest of the world against Atlantis took care of the remainder. And that's how the behemoth fell. -Mind you, a few billion lives were lost in great suffering during the whole process, --and that's perhaps one of the most important aspects to consider. There are forces which benefit from such things in a big way.

    So, (and these are not really predictions; this is happening, has happened, will happen. . ), the particulars to look for are:

    1) Nazi Germany was a dry run. For some reason, the Big Game seems to always be preceded by a dress rehearsal. Power, (and that's power as described by Don Juan), always tells you in advance exactly what it is going to do to you before the lesson commences. Typcially, people will not see this until afterwards, and this in itself is part of the lesson.

    2) Comets are coming. The Twin Sun theory works like this: a large, binary star which never got quite large enough to ignite, is on an approximately 360,000 year orbit. (I could be wrong on that. You can check up the figures yourself). At it's closest point to the Sun, it passes harmlessly just in the neighborhood of Pluto, at which point it becomes visible for a short time due to the Sun's light. Then it goes away a short while later, (a few years.) No big deal, except that it passes through the Kuiper belt, disturbing matter there. This matter then falls out of orbit, and is launched through interaction with the dark star at high, high speed toward the inner parts of the solar system.

    This group of asteroids typically then achieves a new orbit and cycles around the sun on a 3600 year period. We are in fact seeing the old remnants of the last one which was instigated 360,000 years ago with the last visit of the twin star. --All the 'near-miss' asteroids recently are not a coincidence, and indeed, if you study history, you will discover that there is evidence of massive, civilization destroying strikes on Earth every 3600 years or so. That makes for exciting research! Go search for that stuff. Check out ice core samples. Very cool!

    Anyway, that old grouping is thin and used up. We're in for a brand new hammering from the new grouping within the next ten years or so. So watch the skies, (and watch the policy makers. Those in power know about all this. --Though their wishfull thinking, which generally dominates all greed-related power lust, has them actively believing they can out-wit nature. Mountain hide-out retreats, indeed!)

    Anyway. . .

    3) Economic collapse. --The economy has been fabricated into a means of population 'herding' and control. When the time for a massive power grab comes, one of the methods proposed by those in power, is to collapse the economy. --Those in power seem to shift the planned time of this around, but we should expect it within the next few years, if it's still on the books, that is. (I'm not part of the 'Brotherhood' so all my info is pretty severely filtered and unreliable. But the patterns always hold. Nobody can prevent that.)

    2012, give or take a couple of years, (time is elastic, and all specific predictions and forecasting should be avoided as close-up details are self-evolving, and are easily changed depending on what people do and do not expect. Only the broad patterns are reliable), is about the deadline when the really big shit really hits the fan. The current, old cycle is ending, and a new one is set to begin.

    Okay. That's a hefty amount of difficult info for one post. Take it as you will.


    -Fantastic Lad

  7. Sad news by vegetablespork · · Score: -1, Troll

    I just heard some sad news on the radio - Ann Landers the advice columnist was found dead in her Chicago home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss her - even if you didn't enjoy her column, there's no denying her contributions to the pathetic everywhere. Truly an American icon.

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