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Web Designers Ignoring Standards and Support IE Only

Posted by ryuzaki0 on from the doesn't-that-burn-your-bottom dept.

An anonymous reader says "According to this story on news.com, it is becoming harder for users of Microsoft-free systems and browsers to view the web. This seems to be a new call to arms from the standards groups, and it is something we should be thinking about. Without help from web designers, using browsers like Mozilla and Opera will effectively cut off our ability to view web sites 'correctly.'" My pet peeve is when sites hype and announce new-and-improved sites, and then they come out and they are simply a gigantic flash application.

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  1. Other Browsers Don't Support Standards!!! by smack.addict · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yeah, ignore the fact that, for the longest time, IE was the only browser even close to compliant with Web standards. Even today, OmniWeb sucks with JavaScript, Opera is a buggy piece of shit, and Netscape/Mozilla barfs on complex CSS positioning.

  2. Re:I sit next to our web developer by Sezzler · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who uses FP anyway ? I *have* to use it and the # times it's mangled my code (right in front of my eyes) as I'm saving has left me raging.

    Notepad's your best bet.

  3. People with money by fluor2 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'm sorry to say this, but people who have bought Windows OS is a potentially product buyer, while Linux surfers tend to search all day for the free solutions. So why should we ever support Linux?

  4. And write multiple stylesheets by alexhmit01 · · Score: 1, Troll

    You need to write different stylesheets for Netscape 4 and IE/Mozilla, minimum. You probably need to write a different stylesheet for IE and Mozilla. Not too hard because you can detect that from the User Agent. Without server side scripting, it is more complicated to do it in HTML/Javascript, but its doable.

    Opera is a special case. They LIE about themselves. They default to pretending to be IE.

    I have NO idea if Opera is 1% of my users, 5%, 0%, or 50%. They LIE.

    That really upsets me, and its short-sited. A button: fake IE mode, would work. Always faking it and making it hard (or impossible) to detect is outrageous.

    The fact that all browsers fake being Mozilla (from Netscape's early dominance) is bad enough, but Opera is too far.

    Alex

  5. Re:The sad truth. by jaredchandler · · Score: 0, Troll

    To expound on this: Web Designers aren't running around in a vacuum creating websites, they're doing it at the behest of some higher (usually corporate) power. Rather than rag on why the designers aren't building standards compliant sites, maybe we should ask why more organizations aren't setting standards compliance as the defacto rule for their web presence. As for flash, it's just like the force: it can be used for good or for evil. I like to think that designers (myself included) prefer things which display consistently and precisely. Flash seems to do this pretty well. Not to mention the "wow" factor (read: $$$$) you can get from a client for a really slick piece of .SWF. Web Design in the business world is often delegated to the PR department. Why should we be surprised to see it being used as a PR tool in the majority of cases?

  6. no big surprise by SethJohnson · · Score: 0, Troll


    Stands to reason that someone who owns a kilt would be using Mozilla. Can't understand how they have any customers buying anything on their site!
    --
    $5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
  7. Re:NS4 is NOT YOUR ONLY CHOICE. by Isofarro · · Score: 1, Troll

    I take it contradicting yourself while correcting others is one of your endearing qualities :-)