Slashdot Mirror
Web Designers Ignoring Standards and Support IE Only
An anonymous reader says "According to this story on news.com, it is becoming harder for users of Microsoft-free systems and browsers to view the web. This seems to be a new call to arms from the standards groups, and it is something we should be thinking about. Without help from web designers, using browsers like Mozilla and Opera will effectively cut off our ability to view web sites 'correctly.'" My pet peeve is when sites hype and announce new-and-improved sites, and then they come out and they are simply a gigantic
flash application.
Yeah, ignore the fact that, for the longest time, IE was the only browser even close to compliant with Web standards. Even today, OmniWeb sucks with JavaScript, Opera is a buggy piece of shit, and Netscape/Mozilla barfs on complex CSS positioning.
I use Linux/Mozilla as my OS/Browser choice and have enjoyed reading slashdot up to now. However I went round to a friends house and saw slashdot on Windows XP/IE 6 - imaging my jealousy when I saw the sumptuous wideness with which IE6 rendered the slashdot pages! In contrast my Linux experience now seems somehow inferior. It surprised me that slashdot of all places would serve pages that are 'best viewed with IE 6'! Why can't users of other browser/OS combinations enjoy wide pages? Please, please, please allow all users to share in the wide page joy - even the ones that insist on using LYNX.
Who uses FP anyway ? I *have* to use it and the # times it's mangled my code (right in front of my eyes) as I'm saving has left me raging.
Notepad's your best bet.
I'm sorry to say this, but people who have bought Windows OS is a potentially product buyer, while Linux surfers tend to search all day for the free solutions. So why should we ever support Linux?
You need to write different stylesheets for Netscape 4 and IE/Mozilla, minimum. You probably need to write a different stylesheet for IE and Mozilla. Not too hard because you can detect that from the User Agent. Without server side scripting, it is more complicated to do it in HTML/Javascript, but its doable.
Opera is a special case. They LIE about themselves. They default to pretending to be IE.
I have NO idea if Opera is 1% of my users, 5%, 0%, or 50%. They LIE.
That really upsets me, and its short-sited. A button: fake IE mode, would work. Always faking it and making it hard (or impossible) to detect is outrageous.
The fact that all browsers fake being Mozilla (from Netscape's early dominance) is bad enough, but Opera is too far.
Alex
When my girlfriend tried to log in to play her favorite time-wasting game, she saw this message and told me (again) that Macs suck.
I hope you then ass-raped her and left her for dead in the woods somewhere.
oooo, look at you people? deadlines etc. so what?! a web designers job is to design for the web, not for Microsoft OK? just cuz you're too lazy to actually make code that works in both browsers doesn't mean you have to make up excuses alright? IE is the easist to placate when making a site, you might as well be working in Frontpage to continue screwing your site up. At last check all sites were viewed at 43% Netscape and the rest IE, thats a pretty close margin still, and you're screwing over about half of the people that view your sites. Employers don't know this, they see FLASH and they're impressed, so, you have to decide, are you in it because you're good at what you do or are you in it to make a quick buck? Learn to code properly you morons.
Try writing some fucking standards-compliant code, nimrod.
To expound on this: Web Designers aren't running around in a vacuum creating websites, they're doing it at the behest of some higher (usually corporate) power. Rather than rag on why the designers aren't building standards compliant sites, maybe we should ask why more organizations aren't setting standards compliance as the defacto rule for their web presence. As for flash, it's just like the force: it can be used for good or for evil. I like to think that designers (myself included) prefer things which display consistently and precisely. Flash seems to do this pretty well. Not to mention the "wow" factor (read: $$$$) you can get from a client for a really slick piece of .SWF. Web Design in the business world is often delegated to the PR department. Why should we be surprised to see it being used as a PR tool in the majority of cases?
$5 / month hosted VPS on linux = awesome!
Um i'm using galeon and it has no problems with flash. Neither does mozilla.
Oh no, the news is out; the great microsoft troll uses Debian.
Uh NO I don't. Uh Galeon works in Windows XP. Yeah. Though Internet Explorer is much better.
moderators: everything I say is supposed to be funny. don't be upset if it's over your head.
I take it contradicting yourself while correcting others is one of your endearing qualities :-)