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ICANN Excludes Plebes, Officially

Nofsck Ingcloo writes: " Reuters is reporting that ICANN voted on Friday to exclude ordinary Web surfers from its board in a move critics say allows mainstream interests to tighten their grip on the online world. ICANN unanimously passed the resolution at its quarterly meeting. (The last /. article I saw on this only mentioned it as a probable coming attraction.)"

25 comments

  1. Now we're done for by SpatchMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This has been coming for months. Soon, AOL, Microsoft and Oracle will own the domain name business and we'll all be screwed.

    Want a personal website? Think again. If it's not in the best interests of a commercial Internet, it ain't going to happen.

    And we can throw any sustainable hope of p2p file sharing out of the window too. When the corporations take over the Internet entirely, there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.

    1. Re:Now we're done for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      yeah and have you noticed a suspicious amount of the companies on the ICANN board have links to the RIAA and the MPAA. Do the research yourself its all there.

    2. Re:Now we're done for by photon317 · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Corporations took over the entire Internet long ago. The current crisis is that completely evil corporations with very short-sighted profit motives are beginning to push out the well-rounded corporations that understood how important the Internet's ideals are.

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  2. big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    So what? Screw 'em, we don't need ICANN, there are plenty of alternatives like openNIC for example.

  3. This is a shock why? by Neck_of_the_Woods · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Let me get this straight. A group of nut monkeys with all the power and money voted to keep everyone else out.

    I am just shocked out of my bean on this one. Paint me stupid but what did you expect?

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    1. Re:This is a shock why? by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Funny

      Illegal gambling in this casino? I'm shocked, simply shocked.

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  4. drawn? by Sauron23 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Instead, the 19-member board of directors will be drawn from representatives of technical, business, government and non-profit organizations.
    Does anyone know how these reps. are to be drawn? Since member voting appears to have been repealed. Cough, corporate bullshit detector, cough cough...
    Drawn, sounds like a lottery. I'm guessing chance has nothing to do with who sits on the board.
    1. Re:drawn? by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny
      Does anyone know how these reps. are to be drawn? Since member voting appears to have been repealed
      Simple: they check the Illuminati master list of technical, business, government and non-profit organization members.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  5. not so crazy? by tps12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My first reaction to this was, "ICANN can go to hell...information wants to be free!" I'm sure if I posted a message saying as much, I'd soon hit the karma cap.

    But rather than participate in this perfectly reasonable whoring opportunity, I'm going to risk a few points here to point out that barring ordinary web users from the ICANN board is not a bad idea.

    I mean, we're talking about the unwashed masses here. Most of them access the web through AOL or WebTV or (choke, gasp) MSN, for heaven's sake. These are the people who call tech support lines complaining that "their Internet is broke." They use only Microsoft apps, propogate virii, and think there's nothing funnier than that video of the monkey drinking his own pee.

    These are not the people we want making decisions on domain names or anything else. The Internet is a great experiment in true democracy, but that could prove to be its undoing if we aren't careful.

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  6. ICANN Moto by mfos.org · · Score: 2

    Destroying our credibility as fast as we can.

  7. Unanimous by judd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where was Auerbach?

  8. Definitely Crazy by yoric · · Score: 1
    Not only does this bar the 'unwashed masses', it also bars Joe Expert Surfer who may just have a job as a janitor.

    By barring plebes from their board, ICANN is setting up a precedent by which they can ban just about anyone: "haven't been in the industry for 7.5 years? Sorry!" "Oh, you use linux? That's too unpopular... Sorry!" Who would be qualified?

    So I'm going to say it: ICANN can go to hell! Information wants to be free!

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    1. Re:Definitely Crazy by oyenstikker · · Score: 2

      "Information wants to be free!"

      Okay, I've heard this one to many times, and am sick of it. Information does not want to be free. Information doesn't want anything. It is just information. _You_ want information to be free. BigCompanyInc wants information to be theirs.

      I agree, ICANN has some major problems, and needs to be killed and replaced. But informatin wanting to be free has nothing to do with, or with anything else.

      (Yeah, I just hit the KarmaKap half an hour ago so I don't care anymore. Mod me down.)

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  9. motto? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    What credibility?

  10. Officially, as opposed to just practically by L-Train8 · · Score: 2
    Well, lets see.
    • First, they just refused to hold the elections of "at large" board members.
    • Then they reduced the number of the "at large" board members.
    • Then, they instigated a messed-up "registration" system, so it became very difficult for anyone to be eligible to vote.
    • Then, after they finally do hold these messed up elections, and a couple outsiders do manage to get into the club, they thwart every move of those members, including refusing to show ICANN budget documents to some of the people who are ostensibly reponsible for said budget.
    This final blow is simply a fait accompli. ICANN has effectively kept the internet-using public from having any say in their doings from the get -go.
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    1. Re:Officially, as opposed to just practically by demo9orgon · · Score: 1
      We shouldn't be surprised by this in any way.
      After all the rest of the governments in the world pretty much play mock-up games with concepts like "Democracy". Even democratic countries like the US lock out the commons through "representative democracy" whereby professional politicans can play games with corporate interests for fun and profit at the expense of the people (Enron, WorldCom, every one...all we are saying, is give us a hamsterdance at the taxpayers expense).
      So, when something international like ICANN is playing by the rules of the international community, we should look at this as a preview to anything resembling a world-government...and by no means do they think our democracy is anything more than an idealists corporate playground.
      The bottom line here is that the "old world" plays politics much differently than we do in the states. They don't have the incentive, desire, or need to change their game. That's why we don't always try to win political battles with other countries, we simply subvert their youth and sell things to them, we co-opt their cultural mindshare. Eventually we'll win, and repealing the laws and decisions of several generations of assholes is going to be tough, but hey, that's why we rock--they're going to pay us to do it.

      I think George Orwell understood politics better than most. He understood the use of boots and faces.

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  11. Um, yes, it is crazy by L-Train8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The unwashed masses, AOLer's and such, are already excluded from voting in ICANN's elections by ignorance. Most people on AOL, WebTV, MSN, et al, don't even know there is an ICANN, let alone what it does or that it holds elections.

    If you are savvy enough to be aware of the elections, that pretty much means you are informed enough to vote on them.

    Which is not to say that there couldn't be problems with the security-through-obscurity approach (a massive publicity campaign by an evil corporate entity, a "vote here" check box at your AOL log-in screen or something). But whether or not someone may have abused the system is something we will never know, because the system was never given a chance to work.

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    Don't forget that Friday is Hawaiian shirt day.
  12. Ok, that was an interesting ride but..... by CarrionBird · · Score: 1
    I think we can agree that ICANN is a failure. It's time to find a replacement that hopefully will suck less.

    The danger, of course, is that it will be replaced with something that will suck more.

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  13. BBC on ICANN by Martin+Spamer · · Score: 4, Informative

    Recently the BBC has had rather a lot to say about ICANN on this subject here are three articles from the last few days.

    Net body accused of bullying tactics

    Net body under pressure

    Reforming the running of the net

  14. Great trolling, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You did not mention linux even once! That alone should have gotten you +5 Insiteful.

  15. Officially perhaps but probably not literally by Observer · · Score: 1
    It's plebs, or plebeians.

    See also plebiscite, something that ICANN would never countenance.

  16. Information does "want" to be free by FreeUser · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Information wants to be free!"

    Okay, I've heard this one to many times, and am sick of it. Information does not want to be free. Information doesn't want anything. It is just information.


    "Information wants to be free!" is a geeky way of stating a rather obvious truth, one that was apparent two hundred years ago when Thomas Jefferson criticized the notion of patents and copyrights, long before the "information age" (i.e. the Intenet) ever dawned, to wit:

    In the absence of profoundly draconian laws, and letigious thugs (IP lawyers) who go around over-reaching even those laws, information will almost always tend to flow widely and freely.

    The entire concept of copyright was created by the British to counteract exactly this tendency by facilitating widespread and draconian censorship of the printing press (how easier can it get if you legislate printing monopolies from the outset and keep the press out of the hands of the unwashed masses ... exactly analogous to what ICANN is doing here). The notion of "artists' rights" was never a part of the formation of copyright ... and it was only added later, as an afterthought, in order to justify keeping the same draconian controls on information in place (to the benefit of those printing monopolists and the politicians to whome they answered, i.e the publishers. It is no coincidence that the RIAA, MPAA, and publishers profit far more than artists under the current regime ... that was exactly how it was designed to work).

    The founding fathers of the United States bought this justification hook, line, and sinker, empowering tremendous forces to limit and control the flow of information ever since. The free press (which isn't so free) acted as a minor counter force for a time, but as anyone whose carreer has been shitcanned by the recording industry, or anyone whose book has been privished by their publisher, will tell you, it aint much of a countering force when it puts the freedom in the same hands as those who have been granted control of the information through government fiat anyway.

    Information, in its natural state, does tend to flow freely.

    We've created an entire genre of draconian, invasive law (so much so that we have a different class of lawyers, who take a different bar exam, just for the genre of law. Yes, I'm talking about IP lawyers) to limit and prevent the free flow of information. The reason the laws are so complex, so pervasive, so draconian, and so invasive is precisely because information does tend to otherwise flow so freely. This has always been the case ... it has merely become obvious to even the most casual observer now that we have the Internet to expose us to this process.

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  17. They can't have COMPLETE control though by CyberPhunk · · Score: 1

    If large (dare I say the whoring word) evil corporations decide to "embrace" the domain name system, what is there to stop a citizens group that is completely fed up with this from starting their own TLD? Sure, not EVERYONE would have a DNS that recognizes these names, but if enough people get fed up it would be very hard to ignore.

    Arpanet was designed to withstand any single point of failure, and in the same way it can't truly be completely controlled. Call my naive, but I still believe this to hold true.

    1. Re:They can't have COMPLETE control though by Second_Derivative · · Score: 1

      "Yes Mr CEO, let's back an ad-hoc DNS system that actually expects us to play fair over the well established one we currently have that's well and truly in our grip. Truly an inspired idea"