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ZaMoose writes: "Not to beat on the poor America's Army servers any further, but their sitrep for today featured the following interesting tidbit: "That's not all. We're also working on an in-game browser, linux port, and host of other features. Yes, we've been busy the past week!" (emphasis mine). For those not familiar with AA:Operations, it is a free (as in beer) first person shooter developed under the watchful eye of the US Army. It received mounds of praise at this year's E3 and was released to Windows users July 4th." Well, it says Linux server port, anyhow. And JD writes: "Apex Designs have announced that their GTA-style game Payback is coming to Linux. The port appears to already be fully playable as there is a status report here which includes some early screenshots.
(And their website doesn't require IE. :)"
And come to think about it, is it really such a good idea for the government to fund a game like this when it has yet to be decided by a court whether or not games have influenced school shootings and other killings by teenagers?
Since when do courts decide the cause of human action?
What brilliantly twisted country has the United States of America become when it is deemed a necessary function of the Federal Government to provide murder-simulation software for the entertainment of the citizenry?
Please, just heap thousand-dollar bills on the ground and burn them. Delete them. Do ANYTHING but spend MY money on a game that is designed to simulate (as realistically as possible) the murder of human beings.
The only moral justification one could possibly come up with for this game is that it diverts funding from the actual murder of human beings.
the problem with my tax dollars being spend on this is that when it doesn't work on my system, I can't return it for a refund
Jesus saves souls and redeems them for valuable cash prizes
Am I the only one who sees the irony in this? What kind of subliminal message will people get while playing this game?
"How do I join the terrorist side?"
"You can't, you are always a terrorist"
"But I look like a US Soldier?"
"There is no difference... "
Besides, who knows what kinds of hidden messages the Army could be putting in these games to influence the youth of America.
Who knows what type of hidden messages they're putting on the TV? Or on the radio? Or in the clouds? (they have complete control over the weather, you know.)
There's no solid evidence of any effective hidden messages. If you can survive the propoganda of school and TV and movies and radio and billboards, I'm sure you can survive the propaganda of America's Army.
Every player in that game is US soldier and terrorist at the same time. It only depends on the point of view.
He created a program that was designed specifically to break copyright law. At least Sklyarov was outside the U.S. and within his rights within his own country. Kan could not have been unaware of the criminality of his behavior. For you to call him a 'legit hacker' when it is clear that he intended to break the law from the start is quite disingenuous. Call a spade a spade. He was a skilled programmer who devoted his time to writing programs whose sole purpose was to break the law. It's a tragedy that his behavior wasn't detected earlier and that his suicide couldn't have been prevented.
You make him out to be a saint, but he wasn't. No one is. He was filled with his demons and they finally overcame him. Think of how to stop this in the future. Don't spend time trying to make excuses for his criminal behavior, it doesn't help anyone.
And to the moderator who modded me troll, thanks.
As a guy who server 4 years in the Army, I can't "avoid your propaganda at all costs." Especially when you're sitting at +5. :P
... could it have been spent on better things? Probably. The game is hugely popular it turns out ... will it improve the Army's recruitment problem? I doubt it. Will it improve the perception of the Army with America's youth? Yes, for the same reason Saving Private Ryan and Blackhawk Down did.
... by the way, they're still doing it right now in places like Afghanistan.
... but damn it, these guys are due.
.... nothing more, nothing less.
Yes, the game cost taxpayer money
The Army is trying to portray itself as a professional organization, where a soldier has many educational opportunities and other benefits that most of them would not have otherwise. They're trying to change the typical perception from "People who join the Army out of high school are losers, and had no choice." to "People who choose the Army are doing their country a great service and are fighting for our rights." When the shit hits the fan, the soldiers are the ones who pay the price
In the grand scheme of things, the game cost almost nothing. Ask a Vietnam Vet sometime of the reception they got when they came home. I guarantee it wasn't the patriotic flag waving you see today. (Everyone's a couch patriot). It's PR ploy, that's for sure
One day, I was walking in a freaking toy store, and there was an action figure "Infantry Platoon Leader". I looked at it with some friends, and we were like "Holy shit, we're an action figure!". This game is the same thing --- an action figure for gamers, that's all it is
Think of the costs of this game as the fee for living in a free country. Now, get off your pedestal and enjoy it like everyone else, it's only a game.
Palestine's attacks on Israel are at least as Justified as Israel's attacks on Palestine, considering that Israel has stolen most of the land from Palestinians.
Note that I am a born and bread USA citizen. I am not Muslim, nor do my ancestors come from the Middle East... let me try to open your eyes... (note the list below is by no means exhaustive, complete, or detailed)
What about all those Muslims who had their mosques fire bombed? What about all those who looked like they might be from the ME, the ones who were killed, harrassed, etc... by Americans?
What about all of the Kurds and Iranians who were killed by the USA using Iraq as a proxy? Giving killing machines and technology and giving them the go-ahead-and-kill-them-iranians is surely a morally questionable act.
What about the attacks on Iraq, which killed thousands of innocent civilians? Oops, American extremists.
Ok, that Iranian civilian passenger (747 sized btw) airplane that was shotdown by the USA? Sorry, American extremists again.
How about the bombing of Afganistan, which killed hundreds of innocent civilians and lead to the starvation of hundreds more? Need I remind you, it was the work of the good ol US of A!
What about the USA's use of tried and true imperialism in the middle east? Its all about oil when it comes to the USA and the ME. Damn their holy land! Damn their Mecca! WE NEED OUR OIL!
I won't even get into the numerous murderous acts committed by the USA using Israel as a proxy against Palestine, since a surprising number of people seem to feel that is justified. Wait, those aren't USA supplied war machines? Thats not USA nuke technology? That wasn't Prez Dubya calling Sharon a man of peace, while at the same time calling Arafat a corrupt leader? Do a little search on "Sharon war crimes" in google. Not necessarily the kind of guy that I would call a "man of peace".
It may not be PC to say that the main terrorist threat against the Muslim world in the Middle East comes from the USA, specifically jingoists like yourself, who are too small minded and selfish to realize that their shit stinks too. Your justifications for killing are the same justifications that your "enemy" uses. Until people begin to realize that such reasoning is flawed, the violence will never end.
What surprises me is how people like you can't see the forest for the trees.
A wise man once said, "Let he who has not sinned throw the first stone". I hope you can try to think outside of what the TV has told you. The way you think is biased towards a particular political agenda. The way you think contributes to the furthering of violence in this world. Has the USA sinned against the Muslim nations of the middle east? Most definitely! So why are we so quick to throw stones?
"Because we have a right to defend ourselves", you say, in justification of waging war. "Because we have a right to defend ourselves", the Muslim extremists say, in justification of waging war against the USA. And the circle goes round and round till we all fall down.
why do you suppose this is?
Ineffectual religious leaders who face being made irrelevant by the onslaught of technology and social progress. They fear basic human rights because it is the specter of equality of the sexes that threatens to unleash the pent up anguish of the long subordinated and denigrated women. They see in America and Israel obvious scapegoats to heap all of their society's ills upon. They fear education because it threatens to undermine their monopoly on wisdom and knowledge. The West glorifies everything that scares them the most.
They keep their subjects as dumb and seething as possible in order to legitimize their power. By giving their subjects a target, they have sown the seeds for terrorism.
To quote Ahhonld, "Yes, but they were all bad."
Seriously though, all these complaints calling this a "murder-simulation" seem to be making one serious error. They don't take into account that some people are just evil and should be killed.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but take off the rose colored glasses and look around. The world is not this magical place were everyone is really good inside and they just can't help themselves from blowing up inncoent people because of thier circumstances.Free Mac Mini Yeah, it's
"May I remind you of the countless military actions against countries in the middle east (not limited to middle eastern countries) for the US's personal gain? Oil anyone?"
Countless? You'll be hard pressed to name one. Kuwait, for example. This action was 100% anti-imperialist, and not for the US's personal gain.
" Oil anyone?"
A simplistic, cartoonish approach to things that does not hold out when you look at real events and motivations.
If it wasn't for America you'd either be speaking Italian, German, Russian, or maybe even Turkish, take your pick. Just imagine what your life would be like if America hadn't been there to stop Mussolini and Hitler? Maybe the Russians would have defeated Germany in the end, but would you be better off if they had? You're free to speak your mind here on this forum in no small part because America was there to defend that freedom 60 years ago. Or what if NATO didn't exist and Greece and Turkey were left to their own devices in dealing with one another? How would you like to have to go to war? Don't complain about America stepping in and telling assholes to behave themselves when your own country was engaging in a war by proxy with Turkey in the balkans, a war we had to put a stop to ourselves because the nations of Europe couldn't seem to get their act together.
As for your statement that you're a non-racist, you could have fooled me. First you complain that America is multi-racial (your neighbour is from india and your wife from Africa), then say there is no such thing as a "pure" American. Unlike Greece, being American doesn't describe a single genetic or even an ethnic background. Being an American means that you live here and are a contributing member of society. You don't even have to be born here. I doubt that anyone where you were from would call me a Greek if I moved there regardless of how long I lived there or how well I spoke the language. I assume that by describing yourself as a non-racist you're implying that I am one. Where you get that idea I just can't figure out. You seem to be able to write english well enough, can you read it as well?
As for your ideas about American history, you really need some schooling. The United States is currently the oldest continuous government in the world. There are older nations to be sure, but none of the governments that were in power in 1788 are still around today in the same form they were then. Our system has not changed. That kind of stability, especially when you consider the unparalleled expansion and growth we've enjoyed, says that we are good at solving our own problems. Youth violence is a figment of the media's imagination. We didn't "invade" Vietnam, we were invited by the south Vietnamese government. We didn't even invade north Vietnam. We did kill over a million NVA and VC troops (too few if you ask me), but we did so in the process of attempting to preserve south Vietnam's soverignty, hardly an invasion. As for our reaons for doing so, they were a bit deeper than a desire to be "macho." Our war in Vietnam was a war by proxy with the Soviet Union, much like the recent conflict in the balkans was a war by proxy between Greece and Turkey. A war which, by the way, we had to step in and put a stop to because the "european community" couldn't seem to do the job itself. I'm not sure what your description of the US as a "bastard nation" is supposed to mean exactly. Bastard means illegitimate, and no government is more legitimate than ours, at least if you subscribe to the ideas of Thomas Jefferson or John Locke.
Just so you know, what we're doing now is not called playing "good cop." We're done doing that because its been made abundantly clear to us that it doesn't work. Trying to make everyone like us and feel all warm and fuzzy about the US is what led to the WTC and pentagon being bombed (a plane loaded with fuel IS a bomb) So instead we're now playing BAD COP. If you want to understand the nature of our current foreign policy, read this book and all will be clear. You might not like the United States, but then you're in no position to act on your dislike beyong harassing tourists. This means that your opinion, like that of europe in general when it comes to the US and what we do internationally, is essentially irrelevant. If you REALLY hate us so much, I suggest that you start a petition to have Greece withdraw from NATO and cease all trade with US based companies. Or you could take the easy way and just move to Cuba. That is what life is like where the US doesn't extend its power.
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
The missions are set up so that you're either attacking or defending a base, and your team is always the Americans, and the other team always looks like terrorists. This creates an interesting unstated message to the game: American troops are exactly the same and have the same objectives as terrorists. I understand why the army doesn't want to encourage people roll-playing the axis of evil, but I'm not sure if this is the subtext they want to create either.
Um, yes that's the message in the game, but that's also life in the military. What do you think happens in war? Both sides are fighting to win, and there's one of two things that could happen. Either you're attacking or defending. We're in Afghanistan and granted few of the opposing forces are attacking us so we are on the total offense. Think about what would happen if they got a large force and started coming after our bases. Wouldn't we have to defend? Yes. In war there are not definite lines drawn on who does what. Both sides are going to be doing the same thing: eliminate the other side (or make them take enough casualties that they give up) and keep your side from being eliminated. That's war. What would you have us do? Not invade? Or not defend our bases when we are attacked? That kind of defeats the purpose of war now doesn't it?
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