Posted by
chrisd
on from the one-nation-under-god dept.
ross.w writes "Italian authorities have shut down five Internet sites which reportedly carried blasphemies against God and the Virgin Mary, following a complaint by the Vatican's newspaper.
The story is in this item on Australia's ABC News."
Another example of ignorance
by
Diabolical
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This is another example of blatant arrogance of governments and religious entities. When are they gonna learn that the internet belongs to everyone, everywhere? What would the internet look like if every organisation, religous or otherwise, can block internet sites just because it offend's them?
BTW, I'm not religious in any way, i'm agnostic.
I don't have any problem with "blasphemous" or sexually explicit material because it's all in the eye of the beholder. If there are websites which offend someone then don't go to those sites, if they are visiting them, then they probably want to see the information or images.
I have some problems with for instance rotten.com. Hoewever i don't run around shouting that this site should not be allowed or such. If someone likes these kind of sites then hey, it's their personal business. Who am i to disagree with it..
I'm most certainly not in favor of censorship or any kind of control. The only exception is child pornography. Those kind of things can't be enough censored or condemned.
The Catholic religion should not be confused with Christianity. Here is a quick 3 point ideology of truth:
1: It doesn't seek to refute lies, only to shine amongst them
2: It doesn't seek to censor those with a different opinion, only to provide the fact
3: It is very often twisted into a lie be removing a vital detail.
Look at all the religions of the world, and you will see these three points present.
Many countries have an imposed state of religion, if you are born that religion, then you are expected and forced to live by it, serving those who seek to profit from you. Christianity is forbidden here, and many Christians are persecuted by Muslims (more info on www.cbn.com)
Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and many others, are forbidden to read the Christian bible, especially the Gospel.
Many religions take the bible, the ideas of Jesus, and twist them, Krishnas and Jehovas witnesses for example.
They will give you the same story right up until the Gospel.
You might wonder why people would go to this length. Clearly some organised religion profits many people in power. Others are plainly, simply the work of satan.
I would call upon/. reader worried about the ever increasing worries over privacy to read Revelation ch 13 http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=r ev+13&language=english
especially verses 11-18 http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=r ev+13%3A11-18&language=english
I agree with your sentiment regarding/. readers =)
I am not new, I usually do not feel that I can compete with the normal torrent of mis-information contained in the comments, and I don't have much time to check so I rarely have time to comment after reading up.
This is mainly a concern when reading science based articles, because everyone gets out their boffin hat and starts spewing their theories on how they can knock up a quick cold fusion engine in 10 minutes if they had the time.
Back to the topic - the link it just to highlight now that the current chip implants being used on prisoners in america, which were recently passed by the FDA, currently only contain a unique ID number, but they wish to extends this.
I am not suprised that Italy is a forerunner of the new national ids, and biometic ids will soon turn full face and we will actually become the id, the mark of the beast, be it a barcode (see google "barcode 666") or some other device, to which I raise the concern about how easily consumers give in to such schemes as passport - when the 'mark' comes, many people will just see it as a cool new development, and will be blinded to the reality.
Silver Lining
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HappyPhunBall
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The good news is that it is still acceptable to bugger little boys! Especially alter boys...mmmmmm alter boys. Seriously, the Catholic Church is in no position to impose their morals on anyone at this point.
Re:The Vatican is killing thousands of Africans
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praedor
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Trying to tell people not to have sex is like telling them to stop eating. It IS necessary - no matter what you think. It is necessary and driven on an instinctual, biological imperative level. How else do you explain the "need" to murder men and women (most particularly and predominantly women) for having sex or sexual affairs in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc? They are NEVER short of people to murder because they had sex (or even held hands for that matter). If the clear and present threat of being stoned to death post haste isn't enough to prevent the activity, simply admonishing against it on the false BELIEF that it is truly a open "choice" rather than a very powerful, basic DRIVE isn't going to work. Period.
Since "Just say no" DOESN'T WORK/CANNOT WORK (no matter what, there will be many, many people- the normal ones at that - who do it anyway). If you must, admonish against it but keep in mind that it is nonetheless a total and absolute right for people to have sex (a "choice" guided by biological imperative) and accept that reality. Thus teach birthcontrol because no matter what, there will always be a significant number of people who will do it no matter what you say. They have a right to do it and they have a right not be be murdered, directly or by proxy of WRONG and Dark Age nonsensical beliefs about the "evils" of birthcontrol and REAL disease prevention.
To conclude, the Vatican takes advantage of the ignorance and fear of many in the 3rd World by warning them of nonexistent hellfire and damnation if they use condoms, take a bc pill, etc. This is tantamount to murder. They KNOWINGLY use the ignorance and fear of the uneducated for the sake of "sexless" old white men (yeah right...boy-toy alterboys and homosexual priestly encounters have ALWAYS been a large part of the Catholic hierarcy "tradition").
-- In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
Re:Disagree with censorship
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JGoo
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Christianity isn't a religion, and it isn't a comfort blanket. It is a state if faith, a state of acceptance, acknowledging your sin, realising how unfulfilled and passive your life has been up until your rebirth.
Unfortunately you have wrapped yourself up in a comfort blanket, by not acknowledging God, by not accepting your sin.
I cannot understand, now that I am a Christian, how non-Christians are able to go through their lives without confronting their eternal destination.
Then I see the MTV generation, so caught up in their worldly treasures, worshipping the science of today. You have the wool over your eyes. The Matrix is a very apt metaphor in this instance, you are living inside of it, and Christians are living in the real world.
I wasn't born a Christian, unlike how many people find a religion, I found my faith through asking questions, God said seek and you will find. You just need ask God for some truth, ask Him now, while browsing/. "Please God, if you are truly the creator of all things, and my God, please show me some truth". If I am wrong, then what harm can come out of this? If I am right, then welcome to the real world.
You can do this right now, sitting at your computer. Noone is doing the talking for you, noone is suggesting things to you, just you asking questions to yourself and to God, and to see if He will indeed answer you.
Ask a question now.
Re:Disagree with censorship
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junkgrep
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---Christianity is founded on tolerance. We do not oppose any other religion or movement---
Wait, first you know nothing of Christianity being a religion... and now you're speaking for all Christians about what you do or do not do to "other religions or movements"?
That Chritianity is founded on tolerance is your particular take on it. But there is nothing inevitable about this interpretation: other believers see things differently, and non-believers see lots of both tolerance and intolerance in even just the Bible passages.
---Christianity is the oppressed and the intollerated.---
Come on: this is an off the wall claim. All sorts of groups are oppressed and intollerated at various times. Christianity was born during a time when it (being a minority, though this didn't stop inter-sect persecution) was, but when it became a majority, turnabout became fair play. Sometimes Christians are persecuted, sometimes Muslims are persecuted, sometimes atheists are persecuted. Christianity has no special claim on being singled out for persecution, especially not when for most of the last two centuries in the West, it's been doing the persecution. This doesn't mean that Christianity is, in every form, bad, but having been persecuted also doesn't prove that it, in any form, is specially good.
---we just show the truth.---
That's the crux of the matter, isn't it? You think your claims about Christ and so forth are true: others aren't convinced. So, here we are.
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This is another example of blatant arrogance of governments and religious entities. When are they gonna learn that the internet belongs to everyone, everywhere? What would the internet look like if every organisation, religous or otherwise, can block internet sites just because it offend's them?
BTW, I'm not religious in any way, i'm agnostic.
I don't have any problem with "blasphemous" or sexually explicit material because it's all in the eye of the beholder. If there are websites which offend someone then don't go to those sites, if they are visiting them, then they probably want to see the information or images.
I have some problems with for instance rotten.com. Hoewever i don't run around shouting that this site should not be allowed or such. If someone likes these kind of sites then hey, it's their personal business. Who am i to disagree with it..
I'm most certainly not in favor of censorship or any kind of control. The only exception is child pornography. Those kind of things can't be enough censored or condemned.
The Catholic religion should not be confused with Christianity. Here is a quick 3 point ideology of truth: 1: It doesn't seek to refute lies, only to shine amongst them 2: It doesn't seek to censor those with a different opinion, only to provide the fact 3: It is very often twisted into a lie be removing a vital detail. Look at all the religions of the world, and you will see these three points present. Many countries have an imposed state of religion, if you are born that religion, then you are expected and forced to live by it, serving those who seek to profit from you. Christianity is forbidden here, and many Christians are persecuted by Muslims (more info on www.cbn.com) Muslims, Jews, Hindus, and many others, are forbidden to read the Christian bible, especially the Gospel. Many religions take the bible, the ideas of Jesus, and twist them, Krishnas and Jehovas witnesses for example. They will give you the same story right up until the Gospel. You might wonder why people would go to this length. Clearly some organised religion profits many people in power. Others are plainly, simply the work of satan. I would call upon /. reader worried about the ever increasing worries over privacy to read Revelation ch 13 http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=r ev+13&language=english
especially verses 11-18 http://bible.gospelcom.net/cgi-bin/bible?passage=r ev+13%3A11-18&language=english
The good news is that it is still acceptable to bugger little boys! Especially alter boys...mmmmmm alter boys.
Seriously, the Catholic Church is in no position to impose their morals on anyone at this point.
Trying to tell people not to have sex is like telling them to stop eating. It IS necessary - no matter what you think. It is necessary and driven on an instinctual, biological imperative level. How else do you explain the "need" to murder men and women (most particularly and predominantly women) for having sex or sexual affairs in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc? They are NEVER short of people to murder because they had sex (or even held hands for that matter). If the clear and present threat of being stoned to death post haste isn't enough to prevent the activity, simply admonishing against it on the false BELIEF that it is truly a open "choice" rather than a very powerful, basic DRIVE isn't going to work. Period.
Since "Just say no" DOESN'T WORK/CANNOT WORK (no matter what, there will be many, many people- the normal ones at that - who do it anyway). If you must, admonish against it but keep in mind that it is nonetheless a total and absolute right for people to have sex (a "choice" guided by biological imperative) and accept that reality. Thus teach birthcontrol because no matter what, there will always be a significant number of people who will do it no matter what you say. They have a right to do it and they have a right not be be murdered, directly or by proxy of WRONG and Dark Age nonsensical beliefs about the "evils" of birthcontrol and REAL disease prevention.
To conclude, the Vatican takes advantage of the ignorance and fear of many in the 3rd World by warning them of nonexistent hellfire and damnation if they use condoms, take a bc pill, etc. This is tantamount to murder. They KNOWINGLY use the ignorance and fear of the uneducated for the sake of "sexless" old white men (yeah right...boy-toy alterboys and homosexual priestly encounters have ALWAYS been a large part of the Catholic hierarcy "tradition").
In Bushworld, they struggle to keep church and state separate in Iraq as they increasingly merge the two in America.
Unfortunately you have wrapped yourself up in a comfort blanket, by not acknowledging God, by not accepting your sin.
I cannot understand, now that I am a Christian, how non-Christians are able to go through their lives without confronting their eternal destination.
Then I see the MTV generation, so caught up in their worldly treasures, worshipping the science of today. You have the wool over your eyes. The Matrix is a very apt metaphor in this instance, you are living inside of it, and Christians are living in the real world.
I wasn't born a Christian, unlike how many people find a religion, I found my faith through asking questions, God said seek and you will find. You just need ask God for some truth, ask Him now, while browsing /. "Please God, if you are truly the creator of all things, and my God, please show me some truth". If I am wrong, then what harm can come out of this? If I am right, then welcome to the real world.
You can do this right now, sitting at your computer. Noone is doing the talking for you, noone is suggesting things to you, just you asking questions to yourself and to God, and to see if He will indeed answer you.
Ask a question now.
---Christianity is founded on tolerance. We do not oppose any other religion or movement---
Wait, first you know nothing of Christianity being a religion... and now you're speaking for all Christians about what you do or do not do to "other religions or movements"?
That Chritianity is founded on tolerance is your particular take on it. But there is nothing inevitable about this interpretation: other believers see things differently, and non-believers see lots of both tolerance and intolerance in even just the Bible passages.
---Christianity is the oppressed and the intollerated.---
Come on: this is an off the wall claim. All sorts of groups are oppressed and intollerated at various times. Christianity was born during a time when it (being a minority, though this didn't stop inter-sect persecution) was, but when it became a majority, turnabout became fair play. Sometimes Christians are persecuted, sometimes Muslims are persecuted, sometimes atheists are persecuted. Christianity has no special claim on being singled out for persecution, especially not when for most of the last two centuries in the West, it's been doing the persecution. This doesn't mean that Christianity is, in every form, bad, but having been persecuted also doesn't prove that it, in any form, is specially good.
---we just show the truth.---
That's the crux of the matter, isn't it? You think your claims about Christ and so forth are true: others aren't convinced. So, here we are.