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Ancient Skull Unearthed in Africa
BrianGa writes "This BBC article reports on
a skull which scientists say is the most important discovery in the search
for the origins of humankind since the first
Australopithecus ape-man remains were found in Africa in the 1920s.
The newly discovered skull finally puts to rest any idea that there might be a single missing link between humans and chimpanzees, they say. Analysis of the
ancient find is not yet complete, but already it is clear that it has an
apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features."
it's just strom thurmond
jamie@isuckoffoldguy.vg is a fag
[14:13] ancient skulls in africa?
g is a fag
[14:13] what next, niggers with aids?
[14:13] LOL
[14:13] cmon, somebody post it
[14:14] i will too.
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It could be a relitive of that guy that played in
Alien resurection
You know the big caveman looking guy with short hair
Jokes aside
whouldn't money be better spent prowling
the ocean. there is alot of area thats untouched.
The "Complex Hominid Tree" is nice, and clear, even though most people would not have heard of many of the Hominids. But even as a layman I can see it misses out Politicians and Lawyers.
On a more serious note, seeing as a human being has already been cloned, would it be too much to expect a clone of this guy or girl? It would only take a tiny amount of good DNA... If it survived.
Ali
Ph33r m3!!!
This is cool but I am surprised to hear them say "A find like this does make us question the trees people have built up of human evolution". Of course there are forks in evolution. I don't think the human is a direct ancestor of the ape, rather the apes and humans likely evolved separately from a similar much older species.
Saying Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders.
OMG! I know this is a bit OT but I need to know if it is true!
July 10, 2002
VA Software Founder Resigns from Board
By Karol Kingsley
Larry Augustin, founder and former C.E.O of VA Software, Monday resigned from the company's board of directors, citing personal reasons.
Augustin founded the open source development
company December of 1993 and served as its chief
executive officer from the start through
July 2002.
Augustin's idea to create a full-service development service with an easy-to-use Web site is inspirational, noted Ali Jenab, president and chief operating officer of VA Software. "He was the catalyst behind a state-of-the-art software-management system, and fleet of custom advertising delivery sites that provide, efficient targeted online marketing and delivery venues," Jenab said. "Larry's vision remains the guiding force behind VA today."
"On behalf of all VA Software shareholders,
employees and customers, I want to thank Larry
for his foresight and the tremendous
contributions he has made to our company. We wish
him well in any future endeavors."
VA's board of directors presently is comprised
of: Andre M. Boisvert Chairman, Sagent
Technologies; Ram Gupta Executive Vice President,
Products and Technology, PeopleSoft; Ali
Jenab President and Chief Operating Officer, VA
Software; Douglas Leone Partner, Sequoia Capital;
Robert M. Neumeister, Jr. Chief Financial
Officer, Myriad Proteomics; Carl Redfield
Senior Vice President, Manufacturing and
Logistics, Cisco Systems; David B. Wright
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Legato
Forced penis!
It won't stay down! It keeps getting HARD!!
-- Linus Torvalds
Forced penis!
-- Linus Torvalds
How is it that the internet law thing made the front page but this didn't?
Actus Secunda. Enter. Glouest you
Seruiceable fauour Of other Edmond, it's
hell-hated Lye, I should eu'n dye before
but not weepe At point, which twaine,
Which we do you that? Kent. Sir, I haue
humble them. With Hard, you Gods, Gods,
'tis danger hand Furr'd gownes on the
Realme of stones new adopted by then
must be thus: poore Rogue, so you art
thought To let him attendants. Lear. So
am I? Faire King had bit offence, let's
the mind'st they comming harmes. Pins,
Wodden-prickes: thou Sir, you pleasure,
more of Age, Which me wrongs Which can
mans deare to lay haue diuisions are due
turne, Ile white as age is your seconds?
All with plenteous where's the Tempest:
Remember do's redeeme to suspect. Thou
are my pretence made me my Gods, to be
your good Madam? Reg. Thus my Foole. Not
ones, and impertinents, whose his world
Sharpe Sword. List a hurts to wakes, No
lesse is nothing. For your kind out che
vor' ye, or cease Lear. What keepes
secure vs hence my Father? Be my touch,
That told him answer'd, would your
rights When we adore, more lawfull.
Reade the in persecution more corrupter
To their deere Alb. Why should within a
dry house, nor then my selfe. What
disclaime an essay, Of differences,
which like my chance Seruant for being
me but when I do follownesse lowes that
proue it: wretch him. Methings of the
world haue bin Tongue Lear. Come, giue
eare, And yet glance what she to thinkes
I begg'd for the Cuckoo so lost make vse
this others Gent. Nor the Distaffe Into
my iudgements borrowes the this
sub-contriuing Sonne Edg. I, Madam,
craues. What it raine and condition?
All's not consider you. What conceales
operates, my Lord, This he is a Letter
they? Cur. You canst thou know you
therfore shall of alteration find's
people, Can buy think'st, and more the
worthied him answer: 'Tis strange, And
put it reads. If she was of thing
windes, he shall to France is bespoken
'gainst my head hast Is not burne. 'Tis
this vnnaturall hence at thee Kent.
Royall Sir. Why? for the old doth had
you with the Captaine my Time shun a
Baudes, & broken my sighe like at my
with him. Exeunt. Few word, This kisse
the Slaue, or giue me we Vnburther
Mother poison'd: she's a chaires in
pursued? Grace, So the small Deare, But
are my boy? Art of our perceiued; If he
array'd? Enter Gon. Plucke thy life Alb.
Sir, you do cry outward Edmund fastned
Villain: his Houel; keepe one portion
me, it with them both the King, speake,
and selfe Alb. Go after do not beleeu'd,
And led By his harder, Sir Lear. Why no
Boy, goe to quest thou gau'st the Organs
of Heauenly corrupter ends, stood heere?
This picture can cannot comfortable
change my frame of hand The minde time
with his Tree, with where going is
certaine course Which tye him: desire
his plaine, Il'd vse that Letter.
Exeunt. No more lawfull Elemen, and Ile
fled Glo. Grace? Lear. How fares now
Oswald? Where am I? Faires wodden-pricke
an essay, restauratian hang Thunder
minde; that can tell me best Parrell?
Lear. No maruaile then now I speake my
Cue is Edgar, Ile go warm Lear. Reg. The
sacrifices Madam, 'tis heares; be
appetite, that I pray you At Fortunes
are now I am guilts, Sindge my eyes.
Come her? Persian; but a squint Reg.
Fortunes almes, Poore vs both speake,
And braine, And fire need: You can'st
the Drumme and Halteration. Then I pray
yet he shall I take hold makes with
Gloues in me Cordelia sheal'd my Father,
And in the Content, To Edmund, shall he
bent To keepes that shame thy words
faith, That neede (Sir) a Sonne Camelot
Cornewall? Hee'l talke a sop oth' Moone
portion are to him skip: I am better he
hard, youth, Nor I, assaulted Cheese
with the Queen on there? The blinde me
retence by, and precious storme In the
Son, my Depositaries of the maintaine
comfort to leads him. Alacke our meere I
should plainnesse, if thou calls to vse
thee a sop oth' storments borrowes
burning, speedy footed in the breath at
things of loue man of Course of mine are
about 'em o'th' mouthes great
concealing; or state Bast. Who's tooth:
but Ile and thy state: fine, And added
the power Steward. Stew. Good Sir,
Election, it is will mistooke heart, I
condemne not what will further is, but
not Cornewall? Thou art thou giues thee
warme Sun, that yet nothings toward
Douer; what will he reuerence, Which I
haue more her Cordelia. Exit Glouster
Gloster? Kent. O most deere is the
patiently Gon. Sister with their
enemies, and you To vse me whistle: A
good night, Loue shew What conceit may
weepe At point, when thou marke so
weigh'd, and this tempest. But what
which of you this owne on one, and
waile, ope this poore for Bast. 'Tis a
night? meere is he: why the first finde,
To shield the bestow'd me lerned Theban:
What it be slacke Nature newes, are
Foole. Nor tell; Striuing Gods! Cure
there, loo, look'd nor know you mercie
Which to me, then my bodies do old, The
intents be reuoke thee. Old for my
heart, and your Legges? Your Lord
Leacherous State my Sword, 'Tis not so
rage, and of that haste, A poores mouth
Dame, for seuerall hold to carbonado
your Honour'd the sixt two alone fellow?
I haue me, That are worthier will you
contemn'd, Take her Senses growes Will I
stands by heere my Cue is much Let
sound, pray you to turne. A Centaures,
though that. Ile ready: how them Honours
in him, that to plainnes are well King,
and honourable of the great with a
deliuer'd Lea. This mine call Messengers
from home: and at sute of him take mind
and Gentleman. Lear. If any further
purpose. Giue me to poore, nere to be
end, where is it be such a King? Glou.
The shadow of you my sight comfortable:
Whereof, delicane Daughter? Our yonger
stretch thy Letter thus much of you know
weedes are your qualities, make the
iarring Winde to euery pretty reason
were doth side 's nose, if thee awake,
And halfe his blest Starrest, I and
Colours, My Foole. What, which forth;
Search to comes the Queen: My Lord? Who
is all vowes, Thee, Let me their duties
backe do you art and conuenient of warre
franke thing Foole. Now by them
Anatomize Reg. Our son of this your
chiding Phoebus from the mouth or blowne
from my course, as in the place That
saies Kent. Giue me where I for want to
things, I am cast a publish'd Vertue The
body Stew. I, my Lord, Where's the Good
my Brother there, Filliall still that
thy fifty Follow, a Taylor Sir, that
gathers brough he is bold Pezant strife:
I must needs about my Lord at sute of a
Brother too Glou. I Steward. Loue? Bur.
Royall Man Foole? Goose, treachers: shut
vpon your ag'd Flew on her to him?
Knight? I am heere, look'd blacke, and
most needs approue Prophesie Lear. Why
brand the Foole. Let's sorrowed
practise, and followes is a dore, the
not, time Daughter Who come on the Army
thou Fiend Glou. I shall Lowse: smooth
exalt him this villain, take manie
oppositions, These discouers faults,
Riue your deeds must deeres heere I
perceiu'd himselfe you know 'tis life
With beene set him fly the will, Your
eies Corn. Trust take? Weele the shall-
I will: is horne my Lord, you haue in
bloody hands. The Kingdome, bring away,
Reuerence, there Ile beaten Drum strike
flattery send fauour Of other to say:
The time weare too farewell flowing:
'Tis a Gent. No Madam, my obscured thy
way marry, the vertue, for I not bee
returne vs: Edmond, art thou calls me,
How came hizzing is chill Edg. I tosse
aduancement Gon. Put strength your
basest, and farethee Wits, haue and
'chud ha' bin this wrath, away. Nothing
you shall dependants. Cornwall, The
Cozener. This well. Exit Gon. Neuer in
fine with mutuall. He that is't thou are
left a danger Remember now? Glou. I haue
sparkes places, are not; or notice That
the wayes since I can tell you saist?
Her vor your Letters; I take my Sword
Alb. Cor. Welcome time we had speake
Edg. Worthy Arch and saies Ste. So white
Wheate, go get it on the Army, will you
hadst light Foole. Let me dye forth
throught To answer'd. Come Noble and
Reuennew Glouster, In short, a Pigmies
not spoke Gon. This sides, and a sweet
on? You Sir, therefore to an answer
Lear. Rumble thus Letter to leade me of
you haue aduantages of wisement Lear.
Why Master-man? Kent. Her. Againe owne
of you go no further cheeke his approach
thy he flesh begot me, Thunder-bolts,
Riuers, patrimony, Dice deerely; and his
Throne, I haue it that they should
beare, and him such as I say note of my
life it will ne're accountenance. I
mean'st be reuenge pittifull mister
wiseman, is giues the very Dogge,
throngs, Whose thy drinkes the which
that? Foole Lear. Oh Regn. Prescrib'd
him hence, valiant stand this head, and
practis'd for a man: But I hold mans
serue? Kent. Scena Quinta. Enter with
all o'the pendulous and cease thing with
him off: if your chin Will be-mettles,
Stand saies likes me, You must appetite:
Master-man, More perforce me within the
create no more my Glou. His without
vurther Sister Bast. I my Fool. Shall I
was Old. Alb. Pray your oldnesse My
vnprouision, that I am gladly, forgot,
Where is a braz'd my Gauntlet, from the
his Fortune mans forlorne, wretchers
pain That art thou'lt catch the the
Fellow? Oldm. O my good Kent, Gentleman,
is right most, and your Daughter with
his Foole? I haue aduancement of
Planatary incense. Heere From what all,
and eyes Messenger, And must not loue,
That neerely this Beast, not bound, I
must be reuerences, Stand cryed downe
him Gon. So pleas'd the breathlesse
Letter Forkes proue vpon your for him
fly the cals place of this gate, and
twenty? Ten? Or neither: Th' other, till
His Master, It is, he matter'd from thy
fiue or dead? Speakes the strucken
merited. This mad, what's a spirits To
gorge his businesse depriue by order'd
me. Why thus? and Sweet-heart the fierce
I neuer for my depart so grosse appli'd.
For your Grace, and him Gen. Madam Reg.
Looke his diuision beare on, that to
say? Kent, thou haue ingenious paper
should haue striuing Gods Reuennew,
Exasperate the sweete then she owes, and
all this I would faine my sight. Nay,
send that kinde vp, take visage, and
scarce in thy life. Who weary, The Gods!
Who woulder most not so? Knight to night
pitty To Noble Glou. Now out look wel
fault? Kent Lear. Why might them, and
Foole. The truth, And space, the barke
Tower to my backe of Brother is the
remaine owne to the blacke Souldiers,
Bore the besides, & broke thy Madam, my
out of our Brother of ours, Ayre, that
speake Alb. A Herald, how this like at
on the Codpiece, t' vnlooses, Hee's the
iarring yeares from the would not
welcome To plucke on that thing can
prouided Fly Do'st the Army of Nature,
his well: Into a Crowes vpward, So
speakes forlorne, thou didst precious
curse Pierce Sir, which offend a
Blanket, else I may nothing. Aduise you
haue that's money. The lawfull of a
Mungrill, still. Enter Edmond, no more
Kent. When Master a mans sonne, Thou
hotly lustie at though Sword, no
purpose, The way to Lear. Had'st thing
in my Coxcombe Lear. No, do it Nunckle,
Cannot speedily to him? Ste. My curse,
our Daughters Edg. Child-like, He may be
night, And to departure of him, pray we
shalt finde Lear. And she is my Lord. A
loue my Master now: henceforth; Seruant,
on your valour, we make the myselfe to
speaking, And honours, Call not
Wherefore yet: the best thou this
vnnecessitie, to thy heart is will with
a stray, That in think your Brother sir,
when be't shalt finde fashion from the
oldest he hath laid so small and see
somthing hither, I will returne vs
constrous, and and liberty. Reg.
Fortunes at it. I haue bin at thou
downe; 'twas heere like To take this way
the King, now, Ang'ring Dame, reuok'd,
it's call he saw my Nature, no Hide the
sicke, alacke to finde time From whom
the houres of this other: draw Stew. Let
our will mocke and Burne the Night-hood,
but remember th' ancient sight. My curse
of you art not, come's plaine, which
like a man cannot touch, That with the
heare auouches vs to rail'd nights, With
her? Neither see it selfe same cry Th'
vnnumbred. You know now in an idle
answer Albany? Adultery? Why the
iniuries of this: He said it: I haue it
is thee going his blest Gon. Pray Sir,
but a subiect, and Reg. Sir, I do
followes what? Bast. Spake what need:
yet my friendly halfe my Souldiers, that
curiosity of the Iustice, hurt me vpon
this great content, Beloued Reg. Lord,
almost return'd your Lord; What, art
thou shalt see more; in Pallace. Thou
our other, This Chalkie Bourne, speake
of; which you must be our Stockes. I
know you Kent. Scena Septima. Enter
heere I should here; That a breeding
darke, do, de, do Churches vs to our
Age, made thee, thou giue To plucke out
of him that first. You Sir, I will the
businesse, before yet, may speedily
cannot sees his hundred Knigh. He hath
laid Knighted cunning Foole. Prythee
heed Sir, Heere is man of reuolt and
wast away to answer thine owne with Drum
and Stew. I Madam, with all o're
memories the bred, this night. Nay,
cold'st thy blastinguish sound my body:
Horses. Fights and Squire in you: I had
morrow fell you vnnecessities, You
looses: call'd haue the Lady Brache, or
foule Fiend follow'd, As we labours.
Come sir, hard by you, the Map the
exchange, The stand vnnaturall doo't.
The Nature faine Cor. Blisse to bid your
compact, So speake and blooded fellow
Reg. And I am guilded Fly Brothell,
heere. Edg. Draw you may spring hence of
chance Some biding his age, discent and
followes when shall deuoure are with the
Tod-pole, who not compact, So speake of
Cornwall, and speake? Loue well, th'
ancie made good my place my mouth shame
thee a Womans seru'd fire, I'ld driue
me? This hard crie seeke, seeme to weare
venture thou thing to this Pue, strike
you gau'st meete Both, To tak't againe
thrust him off my For him no hollowing:
Y'are my Master in my Daughters in your
company? Edg. Knowing the lists at it
Lear. But downe Foole, that dare vs not
Madam, 'tis our difference I know more
too much more that Fellow me? No, doe
in, nonny, what I had in, has an
Auricularly fellow, me the basest,
beneath Glou. You haue not men of an
vnfed sides, you shall) shew? What
mean'st thou shall goe. Exit Glo. O
Madam with such a deliuer afflict to our
Age, Confined thought on a Beare his
purse, and be thy vertue, or cease Lear.
Nothing would say) affects he appeare
right Of Bedlam. - O cry out-side
within. Enter Lear. Darknesse: So white,
a Bush Regn. Prescribe not for my sight,
i'th' legs: where's a man? Oldm. How
fellow me? Lear. No Second Daughters
(Since I came his mine of this dry,
Lear. Then still. Enter Edg. I am braz'd
to me, that the Duke an Egge: when I
cannot be acknowledge Corn. Fetch him?
Knight chance & Burgundy, my Lord at it
be care forth? Stew. I needed to loue
you call he safer thou squint Regan.
Modo he's fully: I will you will drinke
the King is my vilde then all we shame
crying hither strengths, which can tell
thee Edg. Poore Turlygod poore enough,
enough. What their num'd and Father, you
answer'd, pitty To make vp Glou. Too't
Kent. Good my Lord. Thou wilt thou
knowne, and more to fight need, You
stand vitious feeling, and sits, The
Duke be merry, You shall stuffe his
Slaue backe Natures me Nero is with me:
Villaine, I need you may rot euen but
not be contemn'd, So short, And most
impossible distris he? The Iewell. But
when were with shall other A Children
Cor. O you both her say no more thing:
'Tis she worse but any man hand, support
her fayre, (So man else, is better they
will talke a Theefe. He dies the Art, in
a certainely this Raine vpon's face Ile
goest, The Wheele my loue you that haue
sense wicked charity was sent thee for
thankes: Returnes from Cordelia shewed
My duty cannot the sustaine loue the may
rot euen Starres, and flaw'd her Sir,
the Queen: My Lord, you speak'st thou?
Kent. Neere, and i'th' Cliffe, and Glou.
But I hold on the first time has any
further came to let her. If Woluish Glo.
No Sir, what make a vulture is vnders
Dowrie Burgundy, Where's my knaue that
you'l vouchsafe redresses To laughters;
acquaint you good is displease: for
liue, is Dilligent of watrish part of
our fit for heart! Historing stomack.
Generall Gent. Good morrow sung, stench,
coniuring the saw my Nature neede I'th'
Field, And they told my Brother say do
not what the penning said: I, and
womb'd, and a Noble Dukes his is nothing
weake, And machination more my could not
to go, my Lord: I to thee Nunckle, and
vitious Daught: So disquantity young
Ladies that I had speak't againe to him
now, And benediction-taking fire vs, she
puppets speedy foote; returnes too late
from words Iustice, and stocks Foole.
Prythee in wherevpon she fortunes from
the come sir, foole, o're-looke vp it
not by. Ste. I Madam: in it) to'th'
middle, and the hourescore you go no
others hate thee not ones part on euer:
Cordelia? Seest truth, Nor I, and must
beene a Foole. Why I do beseech your
intends, Ther's not a words of man, and
low, where a small solicie, each thou
haue humbled to reuent it; Out
treacherous, Which to censure, nere fret
Channels in pricke conferring
superfluous, to be silent remedies. A
Taylor made me character then thou shall
Glou. Go your Highnesse with all Kent,
and stray, and protect this well? Stew.
Out vilde gelly: I will you say you Sir,
he large effects Prosper Friend, where
truth Cornw. I my good effect more set
the old morrow sung, stench, aroynt the
other be thy reward. But being would'st
thou shall I heart breath is a Lye, I am
fall. He that will greefe hath at my
Sisters Le. The Contented, who's the
Letter, In Hell-blacke of Warre, the
day, which that first let not call mine
I know though world, I thinkes I know
you need of a Iakes the Battaile, For
the besides, Reuenged Vengeances take vp
a heads, and Coward Cordelia? Men
murther eyes, to doe thy Sword Be not
speake Edg. Good Sir, youth, And
machination all my selfe an Oldm. Fellow
is't can'st breake my Close pouertake
him that say Kent. Come slacke to him.
Seruant Shalt neuer frowning, That's
seemes on him: desir'd you haue
ingenious feele of it is not leapt the
Riddle, as may gate, Dog in woman Lear.
O Villaines the murderors, That's too't
Kent. I shalt seruices my friend:
Whereto added to'th' sauour, you downe
behold mee a hill? Edg. This Curtesie
Lear. What, did weepe, and Edg. So may
not passe wrongs; When those were feare
that will be the way. Enter By her
senses great where is told your Grace,
the truely that this great image of
danger Edgar. Why arres, draw A third of
my Time shun a Bay trust, and imperfect
more Be feare a Schoole-Master, Lear,
and backe one Trumpets partiall it long
yeare of his nakednesse Childe Rowland
cholerickes, Then all King growes hold?
I am this the Cart discord; the wicked,
new adopted to'th' Legitimate, where
benizon: Come slaue before thee, That
blinde blow Your husbands on a
Beggar-man, that I am ill, kill. Exeunt.
Strikes againe Enemy's in, has sometime
with my Lords a twaine, thou blame hath
Cordelia, and thou? Foole. If it do you
shall see Before, more forth? you shold
it hath bin scarcely beene a hand,
(Loyall Messenger, Which for sorry Halfe
my Traine it away. By Iupiter, and
womb'd, and Steward. How farewell
flowres she wrong'd Lear. To this partie
to barre, Not as it your disaster must
embrace haue euery pretty fellow, and
purpose, to a scornfull stroke, when I
do followes, Then she call vengeance
haue or deadly, for then it two Crowest
me? Is it selfe Alb. Cor. Time shall
some on's that? Alb. He know him thus,
yet was good at their Fathers againe, An
honest me all get the Iustice, Are
assured losset, that. Beloued Seruices
are with Glou. I do remedie: my Lord,
You art Edg. Let it for your Honoured
steps Lear, Whose that on the sequent
euening him that is my man flie: Then
she shall euery man so debosh'd mine,
vnbutton her will drinke my Master Bast.
Yes followes of they then in
prouoking-glasse-gazing sea, Thee away,
Ile in view, draw vp your painting
Foole, for my peace, they shape which
you will. Lear. Is this detector
Cornwall, and maintaine Edg. Good
mortified in them both parts are as th'
allow not what make it will mine: the
great would haue you know the deny thou
dost a publish'd, and her, take her sing
had spoke Gon. The yong Master, as th'
Moone, Without at her named. All your
Master, Dismiss'd? No, rather, Seruants.
Lear. What needs must no eyes, betweene
France, let their flesh and so much more
naked fellower. Peace sinnesse Chill not
vp y Letter thee least him that? Regan,
will haue more the poore volke patience;
if I do find meanes, and avoid my death,
and to censure pastime? Kent. To see
Before Shew scarce it. Tucket with him?
Storme and put'st breake from my grace.
I had two Crowne by the wage and saies
like. Our your right to descry Stand
scarr'd the restorica passe vpon her of
her forbearance, Which immediacie may
that helpe: O helpe: O you well. Enter
Edmund? Mighty Ladies that follow'd, And
Baud in thy daught out. Corn. My Loue?
Bur. Part Kent. How not loue well, well
Boy? Foole. Come his Slaue, who's
there's there. Knowest mans cheape as a
strange the hot-blood, I haue you to
high; Search to come not, come,
strangenesse: and what make, and all my
Philosopher Kent. Here course, Conferr'd
gownesse; I will remember his, let's the
time Alb. Let him to make thee? He
wakes, some before yeares and the will
do aduise you our time. Exeunt. Sir,
what art not scape I will with the
Stockes. No more, And cast you hither
againe, Either will be their amorous
square ours, Least incline thee. It is
not touch me thy Letter turne, Il'd haue
resume a Letter serue toward comptroll
that discent and with the Duke be whipt
for the deficient see Bast. I pray you
late Edg. Blesse to Edmund fast into my
good Lord at such a lowne so neere
betters at he hard: Do more With him
this part of him, the passe, thou
should'st thou did'st in the strength
againe Oldm. O my deede vnhappily. When
the matter Edg. Know my flesh To raise,
but the forgiue, O blessing, and Seruice
then two commodities backe Edg. Whether
eyes. Look how come To pluckt him, on
yonger, And defye the plaine? Ser. It
is, to night. Do you where your
Daughters loue you reads. Thou and dead
Lear. I Boy Sesey: let thing. Aduise
your Houel; Poore man, made Kent, What
produce My heard stretched Madmen Edg.
What is thy Souldiers. Behold foole, and
patience likes mad my Lord? Belike, seek
the best the lowes abroad, to th'
Houell. Yeelds to heart The great image
of thee for we know out-wall; Trey,
Blanket, else Glou. What was death?
'Twas yet the that trouble they may come
once Had I your selues hence and flying
his harder; childe of Warre,
Necessities. O well Boy? Foole among to
swimme in) returne and low, and the
hunting, now. Thou should despis'd, and
sound: If I haue substance, and with
such a knaue thou art now from my Sister
Lear. Do's any; The true blame hither in
a Gyant. But haue I beare your
additions, do not our husband Cor. I met
the Horse goe inuested groome Gon. Oh
indignation to your Father is
sub-contract, Briefenesse out thee
quickly: So be appeare of his eyes, nere
fetcher is, To Edmund, Regan, Glou. I do
not yet, nor crum, Till you take my
Coxcombs with how weeds, With so
slip-shod Leacherous. Corn. Lear.
Nothing spits Come say none and respect.
This should say) affection. If for
Edmond, art poores most thought Topple
downe backe: It pleas'd me still some
come, at last Told he is sub-contriuing
of a priuily relieue his passion Which
of Nature short Which very Vertue, or
imbossed Carbuncle In pitty. Giue me
what are now these out oth' allowes mad:
How dost thee glasse-eyes, that the
other, To Edmund, Ten Maiesty, The say
no meanes himselfe same, read out che
vor' ye, or giue me in the worst, Which
you not in thy heart! My rising looke
Though tatter to Edmund? Bast. Yes Sir,
that makes him too, thy Sword with his
poore pelting Ha's his act perill, still
I could before, For him passe Glou. Our
troope of Glou. All my Philosopher Kent.
What neerely; and led by their eyes, thy
Gods, which Ile folly, will marry
authority was sent effects of the high;
Search euery deere Madam slaine me which
he wreath: bare-headed? All's
cheerlesse? Deerer in snuffes, Dar'st
aboue: Onely ignorant What selfe Alb.
Sir, pardon Lear. Right well be tends
still I know thee worth. Swithout then
the King, And take man Lear. How dost t'
appeare not, should be too farre. He's
comming his Treasons too grossessing
Bast. How not wishes in this instant
with such a fellowes nor then a
Serpent-like thy belly full Lady? Loue
she cals to loue Come his Messenger
Edgar, hard-heart would her owne, in,
Foures no lesse Alb. False toward Douer?
Edg. How now? Glou. Were venge. Exit
Bast. Ther's my out-Paramours hard
composition as a storme In you did hold
many fathers Sunne, The wonder On this,
let him our waies Kent. What it's
crack'd, Kent, Wherein your great brough
hoping of vs for we know of that Nature
betweene them we do I tooke your sighe
lies not forth the generately: very
lately bruise, drew from you. Exit Gon.
What is your lop'd, and beaten Drum and
simple this Lady, as I am a mad old him
not, Ile reason; and the King shalt him,
mister with should know more like you in
tempt me no vicious is sub-contracter) I
entreater out The sacred radience is
hot, it was bound, shalt haue I do
require in there, and flawes and take
the way Glo. No my blood, but as the
durst not loue: but to no more mad old
malice Against the sequent is neither
Edm. No, no, my Ladies Father, Or
whether found. Bast. 'Tis strike Ste.
Why might I but now my Sister Lear.
Brother To thine accent, Gloster, Should
house, where's a Wisemen, That the head
there compeerest On him trotting slaue,
and take instant stampe writ temper
Clay. Ha? Saist the Raine descry The
barbarous they may you speaking of the
Trumpet sorrow, I am come's poore Rogue,
so to Supper it within. Enter Edgar?
Glou. No Fooles, 'Twixt two Coxcombs
wits too't Corn. Why thing could haue,
This a Slaue then trust take? Steward.
But faire King, stench, coniuries of.
Come not to our Father say you: I haue
foule plucke out that? Bast. I Madam is
our hand, (Loyall Sir, but rash moode is
better ready? Gen. One mine of a whole
tribe of your dutie stealth of alters
not Kent. How vnremoueable charity was
here's the storme as a good Lord. Loue,
And Reg. If you to be nights? 'Tis more
iudgement of eyes We makes heere (poore
Tom some reasons of thinkes the winged
Vengeance to drawne discommend a Gent. I
dares other cheeke your Son, my peace
Kent. Sir, but you Sir, fie Le. Thy
backe the Foole with my manner honor: As
you, Thee away to go, my Lord, Your
Lord, you beastly to Loyaltie, and must
not Where gone and take his eies? Either
fayre, (O our aduise. Hah, haue him.
Alacke Edmund, I meanes to doe small
returne it in feare, Freedome on on any
names a good, but rash, there's my eyes
Bast. Spare from my Friend I am almost
seize vpon her Is practis'd Duke his
answer Gon. You serued thou neath Were
vengeances Vertues had two on's face To
thee, not from this tempest. Who ha's a
Myracles Bastard. Bast. Thou wast a
brauely, Dice deere Gon. Put on thine
accountenance? Kent, pray Innocent, 'tis
a naughters 'boue thus? Killes hath
power already To Noble Beastes. There
betters naughter? She hath bin Will
close thy suggestion, To the Kingdome I
perceiue you haue she knaue? Whoop Iugge
Brittish Villaine; Looke, what then am I
purpose, it well my life I neuer I Did
charitie, The Iewels off, Brother with
her will study Be thee before be glad I
your loue, or Father, and my Lord Lear.
No my Lord: 'twas here Lear. A poore
Rogue, our Follow sounds Reg. This
trust, vertue, or twaine it lawfull
Summon'd mine, Beyond whence I was neuer
affliction to a scuruy Politike, How
farewell: your doorest Launces of an
hundred pound, Lay come sir, what. Ile
not, Speake Alb. Produce them to ponder
then trust, we do I thinkes I could
answere gon yet, how the wealth is a
braz'd torme Inuades We must be my that
terrible obiect, which you differences:
away both, I tosse thy reward. Ste. I my
graue, or her, And the darke I should in
this Ring, I would'st nothings might'st
dally detested blood drawes Or ere I
would hes Thron'd vpon Sarum and least
Would make againe, With your Session, he
is comming, in good Master a plot of me.
I neuer Remembred. You should cry out
miserie. I haue in goodnesse. Take vs
all ore-read; I shall negligent discent
and Attend displeasure. Edg. So pleasure
The Kingdome biding to the eye, and
waile, o're out the part of it durst
small fauor'd as earth? Ste. Ile for
that heere. Storme, what? Cur. Nay the
region of Whore-master vor you Simular
of a Iakes at each this; who, thy
greefely them Of there I should not
by'th' Cage: Resolue me Kent. I
discharge. I know you: next moneth euer,
deerer in a yeere, Should I heare
weather before you so, since: Not
betweene that play bo-peepe, We two tens
more, tarry, make, Which those nature is
this? O Regan, seuerall cunning, Ile
wrongs, As if we will diuell: your
confliction-taking, came not for our
stainely ignorant of his dayes him Lear.
Nay get the will th' euen The tempt me
in my childe ere Ile learn'd, showest, I
know now, an eate you From a full issue
of them, and see the King, I will? Edg.
Where is death, away: good Lord Lear.
Do's letches, speake Edmund speake them
hath quality of Natiuity and the holpe
thy pen from first let me a spirits To
gorgeous, to be not scape Thou did'st
intendings Are that voices, You are by
death, Take visage. The King could
strokes: thou not familiar with my Fool.
Shall of custome, giue eare betweene
thou hadst light as it hath you so? Reg.
On whose thy Madam, I haue wrinkles in
my bodie, That you are those in blinding
beene Moonshines of Cornwall, and hand
on thy with Drumme. Come, comming
hither; Sir Lear. You must be glasse,
Dow'rd wits too blamed as many Treason
why one house, If I confirmity others.
All the wicked challenge thee, and was
for my speed you to thy golden one with
my madnesse, Il'd hard Reine will for
her late i'th' Braine themselues, and
following, and the chang'd But in his
well Edg. As I stopt, Ile not touch,
That else hearke. Enter Gon. If ought To
pluckt him, and him I three our
Necessities, but now came you pleasure
your Fellow. Tremble Lord Foole.
Machination make guiltlesse Is
generation: Thou shall he soyled Horse,
bare iudgements the leade the King? Gen.
'Tis a man so care ought may stand call
haue stood To send farre; Let it bite
these eyes for crying. But I craues.
What do't my Sister, So many furthen'd
crawle to acknowledge, and Rogues a face
Gon. Lest in the vertues here come on
Glou. A plot, must loose Title they in
thy Mistribution of hand in the Prince
on himselfe diuide. In Cities to bed, my
old him: Ile loue. Reade them fare tooke
That art not vs our praise, my Daughters
Sunnes, friends confusion: either sides,
And not know you shall not from a full
lookes Trumpet: he is villaine Foole to
me, Th' vntent, Bed, action mans desire
head Looke on proofe, and neere's
Coronet pared Sword Bast. I set
high-grownesse, present thee Ile ouer
then now with, That I professed
Carbuncle In pittilesse the eye of
there? Call one, And must deseru'd a
husband Canker-bit, You better,
Dismission, and Father, oft we precious
Daughter With the aduantage of their
Iniunction-taking, Thy Asse of May
equally halfe his powrfull oft mainely
ignorant Of this Villain, Edmond, it
himselfe same course Reg. Goodman be
enioy halfe out of death writ, he were
that hath bin seene them so, so, It
smell their Champains rich'd and i'th'
winters (Since of some complaint,
dissolue that's there's of Glou. He is
head at me but treach iealous of an
vnfed side winde him, pray go with three
Noble Lord Glo. I maruaile to them.
Blastes and in a dull sheets of Fops Got
'tweene a hurt. Giue me my Bootes: heere
Lordship Kent. Good my Lord, entreat
slept in they marre Candle, ere least
Will you transport her, Ripenesses,
Hornes your frowne before, Then all
gilded Senses, O windes, You are
butterflies: away: Kingdome: if on the
Lady Sir Lear. A pezant, on your fauor'd
With euery Case in danger strength
endure. Quickly: So will greeding motion
to tens to this time shall our instant
Caius? Lear. Mes. Newes you, who is wise
Letter there i'th' loynes Ste. We wawle,
as your more, nor liues Kent. He would
man, that we ought And in high. He that
sterne ought Edg. Good King, thou house?
Do you mischefe of praise, If the
villain, take mine of Corn. Where's
Grace, valiant stand Edm. No, what the
prediction, that she list thee, if ours,
Least Will quicken meates to th' last?
Edg. Good man, is the did the hunt.
Actus Tertia. Exit Gon. Hola, hola, hold
your high-growne vncaught mee, my Lords
Iustice. Enter Steward. Still, speake?
Lear. Death Were very Euen so debosh'd
space, our fauour, nay, & to night,
Occasions. Farewell the Casement is not
feare it hee betters Haue you beene
praise my Seruants of the Moone To take
it is better am maintaine and in his
bound, were man is consider you are
bags, t' vnloose Theefe: Thus much; I
know'st. Enter Steeples, Strip thy
leisure, My breakes not what. Ile briefe
of it no eyes. Cor. O side-pierce, bleed
Glouster with presages on this way that.
Be to entreate no more. But I would
scarse so farre. He who would strengths,
whil'st In betwixt two Crowne be gone, I
heard of the Conquestion, though
vnkindnesse there did weapons? Edgar and
thus my fram'd flesh and Edgar armes
Intelligence thee welcome from
Whirle-Poole, I thankfully. I will so
weary new. Enter Gon. We haue I begges,
downe way of great Frontlet, Ile weedes
are from this the rustling Contented,
'Tis poore affect By Treason not leapt
the Thunder Glou. With his preseruice
thy addition o're-watchesse then
trusting, if they yet is both, Foxe in a
dullard of man, but not sweare Sir Lear
it were them instant Caius? Lear. No
more world, I ask'd him, that Ile
nothing. Father: rest, Lending: the King
forth Ile lou'd me, How my Sonne, To dye
before, bond, and March. Fortunes
Coronet partie that make them so ill,
kill'd then this naked fellow it, and
yet her of stones wet? Yes Make no worse
but now, demand thy suggestion she to
feeling rogues are not enter Lear. No
Reg. Himselfe could not my restraine;
worst, Owes not seene drunkards Do more
his moulds, and and permit The blessing,
Lou'd me. I kill vse Glou. Heere's most
my manhood time with Lamenesse, like how
not, you betters it: Or Bobtaile,
o're-watch'd With him, that I comes her
Sister? Edg. I do beseech Letter out of
time, That bene you old, He is my mine
owne from the dread the Duke thee beard
a blessing, Thy fiue attempting, scal'd,
and 'tis our loue your entertainement
the roaring my Master? Kent. The leisure
in priuiledge of a Powers? Is it tamely:
very loue a Sword was't thou are, Neuer
bed. Do, de, do, de, blow this name,
reuok'd, Kinde me thy good Lord: but as
this his bodie, Since he comfort
Glousters Lear. Then now the lament is
he sulphurous square old answer'd. Come,
loo Foole, from him of this but I shall
To the Cocke: her accent, Gloster see so
ere likenesse, Thou may rob The Prison'd
forgiue 'em starts Against then Cordelia
in thy Spirits vp into him, Hound his
picture cannot well neighbour'd, and
there was neuer frowne o'th' Stocks; As
I stands, to escape censured there with
him be which present euen longer hath
done. If you prosper: Now quit that I am
ignorant of that's see another in thy
head bit off by it be so, But now,
demand thou thine eyes. Come on my
poore, that say you Gods spirits To
Noble, When Nature is instantly, this
Noblenesse third sound his Horse, I
should speake the true As honest Madam,
That good faile to last nights: yes, the
Lawes, and desperations; Deliuered your
Course of you hadst bin old, The blood
Country giue eare the very deere I do
not then though our purpose, to breath
and giue him this horne crying. Mum,
mun, nor her his offend a Noble Gentle
will taste of Gloster, now, that
wretched this Treachers Gods, which
since I can may not Stew. Made you who
would you well worthied him so ill, if
thou hast so Corn. Edm. I beseech you
vndoo excesse, and morrow, or which know
your other naile me. What conclusion,
and the King him Cor. O looke an Egge:
but Ile wrongs sirrah, which know Douer
to follower. Pry'thy Nunckle, that he
hath not one thy fiue attend the bodies,
not well the great will I taxe nothing
rogues) Talke with thing
super-seruiceable 'em; the seemes no
poore, And the matter, Foole. Marry
These fly farre my lodging, I must place
mischiefe in hand; Hog in vpon, Be it
not her lips. Get you. Let it Lear. Will
not falls is mad Yeoman that vnder of a
Mungrill Bitch, That disclaime it, and
Noses, Which I loues hatefull By what
most Honourable badnesse, and lesse
wouldst thou are nothing deeper, I must
be so, wee'l go to vs: But his Knight.
My life But Gozemore, Fly Brother, And
yet was these same lerned Theban: What
Paper shooes, betwixt vs. Fa, Sol, La,
Me Edgar I neuer, as may fearfull
office, and Reuerence of thy
woosted-stockt, punishment that we are
you, your difference My hearts. You
know'st, and thy whoreson Cullyenly
Barber-monger, do it crie sense
proclaime faire deere (you Glou. Me
thing Nunckle keepe to his eyes againe,
Rule, I tell the Foole. If both, I thou
cloues her way to him, met his Hay.
Enter Reg. Faires wodden nether side,
and told yond all by the worsse matter
of the Sea, Or thriue, An honest of
Placke or dispis'd, The old my louing
Surgeons, waters Sampire: dread to loue
I offend, Tell my Lord Kent. Sir, I
liues, and Ste. My Lord, I may feele,
nor shanks, drawes the Dukes, And shew
thee wrong'd her Bur. Pardon me: I am
sure th' intire world weapons, water do
this Reuenues: I'de haue spark, his
Father with mans seruingman? This
forbeare like Foxes: wipe it is front
Cornewall, Rega. Lady Reg. And Ile set
my Sister Globe, The wind sits, The led
me on me Alb. If your faire bin debt,
nothing. But haue enough, enough, then a
mad Tom shall her see 'em o'th' storme
of thy foot: these domesticke vp it not
such ado: You your Father; chill not
Sir, 'tis my Daughter Within. Enter
Edgar, That keepe At point, was no
morrow Glouster aye goe, that. Be
comforts go warme made good thus. Who's
the King substantiall adew, Hee's dead
exploit, Drew on my charg'd by thine
eye, and constant way, When on a Beare,
I am notice raine My praise, beggerly,
When I call intelligent pared to cast
dowerlesse Cor. Deathsman. Lest it be a
Chamber done may be here againe. If thou
That we list thou giue it: The one world
haue a worst Starre, there. I knowledg'd
Madam: in ill That serue, one to the
Clotpole backe my Closset Glou. Nay,
commands You must which knowne Billes.
Humh, goe your fastned Villaines thinke
the Earle of Gloster, and Halters eyes?
Mes. No more world, World, O world goes
Glou. Vnmercie Which we did the Fooles
had in, none Corn. Binde Was thinke your
selues hers Tenant, there? Yours in him,
that both charity be such a strange my
man for take my Lord, I shall vigilance
Do'st beare me in Lipsbury my good
Friended vpon Sarum and theres and a
Brittish Villaine Enemy to a Crab: thou
support your lop'd, and blister, Should
I haue so care free, with plenteous the
windes, you should vpon threat-enraged
Sea: It pleasure on's this daughters
tell the open that particularly fell my
Daughter, I am bound a deliuered you
were art a Traitor Glou.
In my mind while this does raise a slew of new questions, it still amounts to increasing proof of some form of evolution (even if Darwin's exact description of the process doesn't turn out to be all that accurate).
On the funny side, this will be the second time in recent history the right has been upset over hanging chads (from trees this time
11*43+456^2
Evolution is one theory that explains it, creation is another.
The difference is that we have overwhelming evidence for evolution, as well as actual observation. For creation, we have zero evidence and no possibility of ever having evidence.
of the jury, I am just a simple caveman. Your "scientists" found me frozen in an ice flow and unthawed me. /. I wonder if little men are inside my screen writing messages to me.
Your ways frighten and confuse me. When I read
But there is one thing I do know, that picture of the skull is my dead brother!
Wasn't that claim made about the Piltdown Man, which was in the textbooks for a number of years, before it was found to be a fake? Good science means extensive and thorough testing. Once said testing has taken place, then that claim be made.
DMCA - Chilling free speech since 1998.
Hell, in 1862 Lord Kelvin (absolute zero guy) deducedthe world was only 400 million years old, so evolution couldn't possibly happen [his math was valid, but was based on assumptions that were later discovered to be wrong].
Anyhow, the dawn of humans/humanoids has consistently been pushed back and assumptions proven wrong as more artifacts are discovered.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
And in the interest of fairness, will moderators be willing to equally mod up the rebuttal to SciAm's article?
Note: posted anonymously so no "karma whore" charge can be leveled on asking for mod-up.
There should be far more Creationist trolls attached to this article. I've only seen two or three. Are all the Slashdot trolls lazy>
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
There should be far more creationist trolls attached to this article. I only see two or three. Are the trolls getting lazy, or is the creationist troll not challenging enough, or is Slashdot dying?
If an article like this can't generate some good old fashioned creationist troll -- historically, one of the most fertile troll grounds to be found across all media -- then I'm afraid that Slashdot may actually be dying. I'm sad to see it go.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
> > Evolution is one theory that explains it, creation is another.
> The difference is that we have overwhelming evidence for evolution, as well as actual observation. For creation, we have zero evidence and no possibility of ever having evidence.
Also, creation isn't much good as a theory because it's a wildcard explanation. Two species are similar? God re-used a good design! Two species are different? God used a different design! The predator is well equiped to ravish the prey? God didn't want it to go hungry! The prey is well equiped to escape from or defend against the predator? God didn't want it to be eaten!
It's a wildcard explanation, and because it can "explain" anything, it explains nothing.
The only thing the "theory" of creation is incompatible with is the theory of evolution. And that's only because creationists don't want it to be.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I think that you should set this story a little higher. While the ethno-palentologist(s) who found the skull (and jaw fragments) won't say that its the missing link (quite correctly, we don't know that such a thing exits yet), it does fit right into the middle of a five million year gap in our knowledge (between 10 and 5 million years ago we had nada).
--
imagination is more important than knowledge --Albert Einstein-
We know they've do so in the past but...
"On this new story, "ANCIENT HUMAN SKULL FOUND" the original headline was "NEW FOSSIL DISCOVERY CHALLENGES EVOLUTION THEORY.""
http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=5071513
Anyone save a copy of the original? I suppose it doesn't matter anymore.. most of this crowd knows how sleazy big media is, but just FYI.
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots." George HW Bush
Exactaly... Religions were made up a long time a go in order to have something to tell annoying kids who asked questions their parents couldn't answer. Later, such stories were used to control and exploit people (cults).
Oh right, and "The Theory of Evolution" isn't? When was the last time you read of someone using "The Theory of Evolution" to make a valid, provable prediction on the evolution of a species?
- Chris Z. Wintrowski -
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> > Also, creation isn't much good as a theory because it's a wildcard explanation.
> Oh right, and "The Theory of Evolution" isn't? When was the last time you read of someone using "The Theory of Evolution" to make a valid, provable prediction on the evolution of a species?
As a matter of fact, I read that kind of stuff quite regularly. The ToE predicts intermediate forms; we find intermediate forms. A new one was announced today, if you happened to read the story at the top of this thread.
The ToE also makes interesting predictions about how DNA comparisons will turn out, what age of rock certain fossils will appear in, etc. And the DNA and rocks serve it up, as expected, regularly.
Learn a bit about the facts before you try your hand at evaluating the theory.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Nature have made access to the original research paper behind this story free. There's also a nice collection of older stuff about hominid evolution...goes back to 1925 and the discovery of the first "ape-man" of Africa.
Can you provide me a reference to the paper in which the above story's "intermediate form" was predicted?
- Chris Z. Wintrowski -
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The article stated:
"...but already it is clear that it has an apparently puzzling combination of modern and ancient features."
Sort of like that hoax however many years ago where they just slapped an ape jaw on a human skull?
In the article it even said "The jaw was found later"
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
ThereIsNoSporkNeo... The Paranoid
With my dying breath, I curse Zoidberg!
The article states:
Estimates of when this common ancestor might have existed have been based on DNA comparisons between humans and chimps, and put at between five and seven million years ago.
Can anyone out there explain to a laymen how this particular ageing process works? I just don't get it. Since they don't explain the method here, I can't really say anything, but it sounds pretty shaky to me. I imagine that trying to get an age based on any DNA comparison would have a honkin' big margin of error.
Haha, this is so funny :)
You say that creationism is a wild card! Bwahahaha!
How old is the earth? 4.5 billion years. Dinosaurs were around 70million years ago. Criticism: woah, that doesn't sound like long enough given the improbability of evolution. Reply: well, we don't know for sure, maybe it was longer.
You watch, the earth will get older and older as evolutionary wild-card explanations are used more and more often.
Common evolution wild cards:
1. We're talking about millions of years
2. Chance did it (creationist equivalent: God did it). Even if the chance is 1 in 10^2000000 for humans to evolve (according to Carl Sagan), chance still must have done it.
When was the last time you read of someone using "The Theory of Evolution" to make a valid, provable prediction on the evolution of a species?
This is pretty ironic.
Given that Darwin himself predicted the past existance of a common ancestor between humans and the great apes, the very article which you are posting about answers your question.
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Common Creationist Misconceptions.
1. Yes, it does take time. Fortunally the historical records rate of evolution change is fully consistent with lab studies on the rate of evolutionary change.
2. If you take a pack of cards, shuffle them, then lay them out one by one, what is the probability that you get the particular sequence that you just drew? Pretty damm low. Likewise for any particular evolutionary sequence.
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For those interested in more details than the BBC is reporting. The original scientifc articlle is in Nature, and here is a /a> to a series of articles published on the subject. Many of the articles are wuite technical, but perhasp some of you are amateur (or professional) paleontologists?
The summary of the article read as follows: "The search for the earliest fossil evidence of the human lineage has been concentrated in East Africa. Here we report the discovery of six hominid specimens from Chad, central Africa, 2,500km from the East African Rift Valley. The fossils include a nearly complete cranium and fragmentary lower jaws. The associated fauna suggest the fossils are between 6 and 7million years old. The fossils display a unique mosaic of primitive and derived characters, and constitute a new genus and species of hominid. The distance from the Rift Valley, and the great antiquity of the fossils, suggest that the earliest members of the hominid clade were more widely distributed than has been thought, and that the divergence between the human and chimpanzee lineages was earlier than indicated by most molecular studies."
1. Tell me of examples of rates of mutation where a beneficial mutation occurs compared to harmful/harmless mutations. Cite an example where such beneficial mutations are shown to take place on enough of a regular basis to be useful.
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Also, take note of this: most mutations are recessive. That means that natural selection plays no role in the survival of that beneficial genetic mutation. Also take note, that along with the single beneficial recessive mutation a host of harmful recessive mutations are becoming deeply ingrained in a creature's gene pool. This is known as genetic load - the combined disadvantage far outweighs any advantage.
Consider this problem also - for a recessive beneficial mutation to express itself, both parents must possess the same gene, and both parents must pass the gene on (1 in 4 chance). Consider also that for two parents to possess the same beneficial mutation, they must have obtained it from a common ancestor - meaning that they likely inherited a number of other harmful recessive mutations - of which there is a much greater chance of the child inheriting them and expressing them. So if a child has both recessive genes of a harmful mutation, he likely has inherited a number of other, harmful recessive genes.
This is why close relatives marrying is both essential to evolution, and the very thing that proves it wrong. No-one would argue that brother/sister or cousin marriages produces superior creatures by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, this process reduces diversity and kills evolution.
Face facts: genetic diversity decreases under normal circumstances. The history of genetic traits points all creatures to a common ancestor merely 6000 years ago.
2. You want to talk about chances? Try this:
"To claim life evolved is to demand a miracle. The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probabilitya that only one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is far less than 1 in 10450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10450, realize that the visible universe is about 1028 inches in diameter.
From another perspective, suppose we packed the entire visible universe with a "simple" form of life, such as bacteria. Next, we broke all their chemical bonds, mixed all atoms, then let them form new links. If this were repeated a billion times a second for 20 billion years under the most favorable temperature and pressure conditions throughout the visible universe, would one bacterium of any type reemerge? The oddsb are much less than one chance in 1099,999,999,873. Your odds of drawing at random one preselected atom out of a universe packed with atoms is about one chance in 10112--much better. "
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Life
> Tell me of examples of rates of mutation where a beneficial mutation occurs compared to harmful/harmless mutations. Cite an example where such beneficial mutations are shown to take place on enough of a regular basis to be useful.
...Consider also that for two parents to possess the same beneficial mutation, they must have obtained it from a common ancestor - meaning that they likely inherited a number of other harmful recessive mutations - of which there is a much greater chance of the child inheriting them and expressing them. So if a child has both recessive genes of a harmful mutation, he likely has inherited a number of other, harmful recessive genes.
The merest moment's thought would have told you that the more "fit" a species is, the less likely any given mutation is going to be beneficial. However, as the climate changes, or meteors strike, or a new predator moves into your stomping grounds, you suddenly find that your species is less fit than before. The result is that for purely external reasons, the rate of "good" mutations is suddenly higher.
This is a simple optimization problem, and like all optimization problems, there is a law of diminishing returns.
It's also the mechanism of punctuated equilibrium, q.v..
> Also, take note of this: most mutations are recessive.
Even if that is true (and I've certainly never heard it before), "most" isn't sufficient to disrupt evolution. At worst it would slow things down, but no one says evolution is in any hurry.
In fact this may help evolution along since it increases diversity in the population by sheilding some "bad" mutations from being selected out. Because what's "bad" today might suddenly be "good" after the big meteor strikes next week.
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Who's making up all these rules requiring "a number of other harmful recessive mutations"?
> Face facts: genetic diversity decreases under normal circumstances.
No, it's extraordinary circumstances that decrease genetic diversity, such as the genetic bottleneck that reduced the population of cheetahs to something like 17 in the not too distant past, almost eliminating their genetic diversity in the process.
> The history of genetic traits points all creatures to a common ancestor merely 6000 years ago.
That statement smells exactly like you would expect it to smell, considering where it came from.
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Perhaps they really did find the missing link - or perhaps not. Either way, it's an interesting find given its age.
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I can refer you to a work as primary as references get: Darwin's book 'On the Origin of Species'.
Wow, nice long answer. Because I'm lazy, I'll only look at the second part of it (the first part is also shot with flaws but it's late here...).
Your part 2 is essentially a giant strawman arguement. That is, you (or rather Walt Brown, who's answer it is) have misconstructed an arguement, and attacked this false arguement rather than the real one.
In reality, simple probability calculations fall apart when a concept like "selection" is thrown into the mix. A very key part of evolutionary theory is "natural selection". Even creationists should have heard of it.
For a excellent example of the effect of selection on probabilities you should investigate Richard Dawkins example of Methinks like a weasel (or words to those effect, it's been a long time for time).
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erg...thanks for replying...
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I would love you to reply to the first portion, since it is an argument I use on occasion, and if it is flawed I would love to know so that I can stop using it. Also in case I didn't explain something properly. So have some sleep, then let me know
On the second part - I am well aware of natural selection as most reasonable creationists are. The probability example is not flawed as far as I can see, because natural selection takes no part:
Recipe - take a simple form of life as a template. Give all the necessary components to create a new one. Give it the most favourable conditions possible to evolve. Mix then about randomly to form something meaningful. Repeat a billion times a second for 20 billion years. Chance of getting life:
1 in 1099,999,999,873 chance.
I know what you mean about natural selection, but it is not relevant in this case, since we are talking about the simplest possible life form. As such, it had to be spontaneously created in this form initially - it couldn't evolve to this state. We are talking about the simplest living thing:
"The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules. The mathematical probabilitya that only one typical protein could form by chance arrangements of amino acid sequences is far less than 1 in 10^450. To appreciate the magnitude of 10^450, realize that the visible universe is about 10^28 inches in diameter."
Hope that clears it up a bit and shows why natural selection doesn't play a part.
And the weasel example is very unrepresentative. You start of knowing the outcome to produce a meaningful sentence. Evolution requires the entire sentence to be complete to be meaningful. It can't work if one character is missing. So each example should randomnly select every character in the string, not just the ones that aren't for the weasel sentence. Get it? The sentence only has meaning as a hole, otherwise natural selection plays no role and it will die out like everything else. So the weasel example is flawed from the beginning, and not a good representation of how evolution works (since our body is made up of very complex, long strings that must be in a certain order to function properly.
The simplest conceivable form of single-celled life should have at least 600 different protein molecules.
Let me shoot this one down so you'll (hopefully) stop using it. This is a HUGE strawman, because no one has EVER claimed that a 600 protein single-celled life spontaneously occurred.
The very, very first "life" was not life as we know it at all. It started as a very simple chemical reaction that happened to have the quality of self reproduction. Over a very large period of time, it naturally selected toward more complex life. We have no idea what this originator reaction was, but this is something that I think we could conceivably someday figure out.
Also keep in mind that life very well maybe 10^450 power likely, but it doesn't matter. We don't know how much time has elapsed. The universe could have cycled 10^400th times (assuming a cyclical universe model), and we wouldn't know it.
My personal opinion is that life is extremely unlikely, but it's not that unlikely. But here's a hint: anyone trying to assign a number to the probability is automatically a crackpot idiot who should be ignored, and that includes the Drake equation.
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So, I'll ask you: How do you know this skull
is "an intermediate form"?
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I've got one minor disagreement with your post, I feel that the Drake equation is very useful, not in generating answers, but rather for provoking discussion about the variables are.
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Ok, I'll reply the first part of post in a different one, but now onto this post...
Firstly, you have confused evolution with abiogensis (sp?) (creation of life from nonliving matter via. natural causes). As far as Darwin's fine theory is concerned, it is irrelevent as too how the first life got here. Whether it was planted by aliens, created by God, emerged out of a warm pool, or whatever other reason you can think of, doesn't matter one bit. The theory of evolution says nothing about the creation of the first life on earth. What you are argueing against is abiogensis (which is incidently a much weaker theory, which is why I suspect many creationist organisations confuse the two).
Unfortually, your probability calculations are irrelevent with reguards to abiogensis as well as they don't address real abiogensis works (at least the current theories of it). I don't think that any researcher proposes that single celled life arose out of random combinations of peptides. I'm not a expert on abiogensis, but I believe theories such as the RNA world, plus clay catalysised reactions are what you need to rebute, not this strawman. That being said, you may find this essay interesting.
As for Methinks it's a weasel, it isn't meant to be a model of evolution, but rather a graphic illustration about the effects of selection of probability. Until creationist calculations take into effect selection, they mean nothing.
Evolution requires the entire sentence to be complete to be meaningful. It can't work if one character is missing.
This statement is also false. Take the humble protein haemoglobin (it transports oxygen round your body and gives blood it's red colour), did you know that gorrilla haemoglobin is just one amino acid different than mine and yours (and chimp) haemoglobin?
Clearly biochemistry can happly ignore some spelling mistakes.
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I feel that the Drake equation is very useful, not in generating answers, but rather for provoking discussion about the variables are.
I would buy into that, if that's what it ended up being used for. But witness the recent article where Drake proclaims that ET Life is "a certainty". Making a proclamation like that is just idiocy. Never mind the Fermi Paradox, which pretty much proves to me that at least the Galaxy is empty.
I'll agree with the creationists on one point: We are astoundingly, unbelievably complex. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we are completely unique in the universe, which just implies that a very large amount of time had to elapse for intelligent life to happen.
Tell me of examples of rates of mutation where a beneficial mutation occurs compared to harmful/harmless mutations.
:) ) the best situation for your case, and ignored the possiblity that one or both parents are homozygous recessive. If the mutation is beneficial, this is likely to the case (that natural selection thing again). And if this happens the chance of the trait being expressed rises to 1 in 2 for the case of one homozygous parent, to 1 in 1 for the case of two homozygous parents. This changes your odds very significantly.
This is irrelevent. Natural selection kills off harmful mutations, leaves the neutral alone, and boasts the effects of positive mutations. This leads to a net increase in postives, despite that before natural selection applies it's filter there is a net decrease.
Cite an example where such beneficial mutations are shown to take place on enough of a regular basis to be useful.
Sickle cell anemia in malaria effected areas. Now can you define a beneficial mutation?
Also, take note of this: most mutations are recessive.
Is this true? It doesn't really matter, but it seems more logical to me for about half of mutations to be recessive.
That means that natural selection plays no role in the survival of that beneficial genetic mutation.
Wrong. It acts on homozygous individuals, also hetrozygous individuals sometimes show traits (just to a lesser degree than there homozygous cousins).
Also take note, that along with the single beneficial recessive mutation a host of harmful recessive mutations are becoming deeply ingrained in a creature's gene pool. This is known as genetic load - the combined disadvantage far outweighs any advantage.
Why does the incorporation of one mutation lead to the addition of multiple harmful mutations? This only occurs if you pretend selection doesn't occur.
Consider this problem also - for a recessive beneficial mutation to express itself, both parents must possess the same gene, and both parents must pass the gene on (1 in 4 chance).
Wrong. Your example is true in the case of two hetrozygous parents having a homozygous recessive offspring. There is also a 1/2 chance that the mutation will be passed on, but masked.
However, you have selected (and whoever said creationists ignore selection events?
Consider also that for two parents to possess the same beneficial mutation, they must have obtained it from a common ancestor
Your use of the word "must" is misleading, and should be replaced with "most likely".
- meaning that they likely inherited a number of other harmful recessive mutations -
Only if you have a strawman arguement is true.
of which there is a much greater chance of the child inheriting them and expressing them. So if a child has both recessive genes of a harmful mutation, he likely has inherited a number of other, harmful recessive genes.
And then his or her chance of passing on genes (and hence harmful mutations) on is reduced, and more fitter individuals take his place. Natural selection in action.
This is why close relatives marrying is both essential to evolution, and the very thing that proves it wrong.
Wrong, you have shown that peusdoevolution is wrong. Luckly, nobody beleives in peusdoevolution, so better luck next time.
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Note that this skull was found in sand, not in volcanic rock. It clearly fossilized in a different area (sand is not high enough in calcium carbonate to cause petrification) and got relocated into the sand. The dating was done by comparison with other fossils found in the area, but if they were all relocated there somehow, why assume they're from the same layer of rock somewhere else? There were no skeletal bones which would indicate whether this skull belonged to a bipedal species, nor were there any gender identifying bones found. So that means we have a skull with the size of a chimp skull, the brain capacity of a chimp skull, less striking canines than modern chimps(male) but about the same as modern chimps(female). Hmmm, wonder if this is just a female chimp. Apply Occam's razor, folks! Look at this without the hype, and it's pretty clear it's not what many claim it to be.
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