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Coble-Berman Bill Would Restrict Fair Use

Amazing Quantum Man writes "News.com is reporting on the new Berman-Coble copyright bill. This bill is a two-edged sword. It would make life easier for webcasters, but it would restrict fair use. Interestingly, according to the article, Berman allegedly opposes the bill that has his name on it as a sponsor! I don't think it's on Thomas yet, but Politech has a copy of the bill (2.1M PDF)." The report which the memorandum attached to the bill refers to is online. Congress is making an effort to reconcile traditional copyright law with the realities of digital copying; there's no telling whether the end product will be something tolerable or not.

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  1. Unfortunatly.. by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of people in congress don't understand the needs of today's technical inclined people. They should bring in as many tech people as they can, or simply ask slashdot when they attempt to make laws that will affect the digital world.
    Understanding the legal ramifications and understanding what's actually going on are two completely different things..

  2. Grey Areas by prof187 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    According to the draft bill, such Webcasting "is not an infringement of copyright"--if temporary copies are made only to facilitate music distribution and if the copies are stored only for a time that's necessary for the broadcast.

    The problem w/ the legal system is they leave too many areas for interpretation. What if I think that "necessary time" is long enough to make sure that no one gets cut off, which could be longer than the actual broadcast. Also, what if something goes wrong and your buffer copy doesn't get deleted automatically. Are you now liable for software failure? I doubt anyone would want to sit there and watch the cache to ensure that every single buffer copy is appropriately deleted.

    The law needs to start using definite time frames. If they would quit using generalized times, and start using something physical, such as a day/month/year, they could have a lot more pull in lawsuits.

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  3. Too broad on a bill.... by zoobaby · · Score: 1, Interesting

    This bill is very broad. It limits too much and is unenforcable. What are they going to arrest me and my friend for our Jerry Springer video collection? Also if I claim all of my emails as copyright protected and they are forwarded on, doesn't that break the law in the bill? Hell forwarding /. on to friends would infringe on rights according to this.

  4. Law vs. Reality by Bonker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Who was it that said that the greatest danger to law enforcement was unenforceable laws?

    This is the case here. Congress (and all the people who are paying for them) are trying to change the reality of a society that's very rapidbly becoming a 'free information' country. They're trying to put limits on something that is changing the world very rapidly and in a very chaotic manner. You can call it 'destructive' if you want to, since it's certainly destroying organizations and businesses that survive by controlling information, but it's jsut change.

    The problem with trying to control this change is that you can't legislate fish into flying or birds into swimming. Just look at Prohibition if you need an example. A small subsection of the country's population tried to legislate away people's rights to get drunk and wasted. They had good intentions. Alcoholism is certainly a problem and destroys many, many lives. By making a law that was disliked and unenforceable, however, the country opened itself up to the ravages of organized crime more than ever before.

    Look at the 'War on Drugs'. Hard drugs (and even some 'soft' drugs) ruin lives and kill people. That doesn't change the fact that people want to get high or stoned. You think that columbian drug lords would have vast fortunes with which to buy submarines and advanced IT installations if the American government hadn't created a situation in which it was more profitable to do dusiness in an illegal manner than legally?

    Information is in the same boat. Companys claim billions and billions of dollars of 'lost sales' (cough *bullshit* cough) on music, software, game, and video piracy. People want to use the stuff in a 'fair use' way. Even moreso, they want to pirate it and not pay for it. All the government is going to do by creating a law that makes it more difficult to legally share information is make more people into criminals who weren't before.

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    1. Re:Law vs. Reality by Bonker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've got an idea... lets make everything legal and then there wouldn't be any criminals!

      On the surface, that seems idiotic, but there is a school of thought that says that it's a workable solution.

      Let's use drugs as a test case. Right now, you can get in more trouble for drug posession than child molestation. You're more likely to be arrested and more likely to go to jail or prison for a longer time. Now, if you completely elminated all controlled subtances laws, you create several problems where drugs are more available and people who can't deal with them properly hurt themselves. However, in the same stroke, you release several dozen thousand of non-violent offenders from prison who are there for 'posession' crimes, open up and legitimize drug treatment like alcohol treatment, and help to create a society that is not only more tolerant of drugs, but also more tolerant to the people who need help. Right now, people who have problems with alcohol are encouraged on all sides to get help. There are many organizations that exist to help individuals who have addiction problems. Alcohol users know that they can get help without fear of being arrested. Drug addicts do not currently have this luxury. If they seek treatment, there is a high possibility that someone they go to for help will turn them. If drugs were legal, a lot more of them could seek treatment.

      Other, more serious vices, have both plusses and minuses to legalization. Prostitutes who work in areas where it's legal (certain parts of Nevada), for example, have better protection from violence, rape, abuse, STD's and other 'sex-worker' problems than they do in other parts of the country. They also have a better chance of 'getting out' than their peers in other parts of the world. If you legalized prositution nation-wide, there are many problems that would arise because of that. There are also many problems that would simply go away... perhaps more than would be created by such a situation.

      Remember that a great deal of our 'vice' legislation at both the state and federal level was created not by the 'Forefathers', but by conservative moral special interests. This was the case with prohibition and is the case with current vice laws like 'The war on Drugs', etc... While it's not true for every problem, in the United States, the cure is often worse than the disease.

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  5. Selling of copyright rights is the beast by WetCat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Right now, you have the following situation:
    Artist A created song B which is a probable hit.
    He then sell all rights for that song
    to some syndicate C for a fixed sum.
    Then for all that A1 A2 ... An artists, copyright
    on songs will be at C and they will care not of fair use or other stuff or...
    Imagine situation, when by law they cannot sell more than 50% of their rights on song.
    It means that they have direct decisions on how their material will be used. It will be much fairer to them and society.

  6. Not "destructive", "disruptive" by dpilot · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You hit a key term here, but slightly off. It should be 'disruptive' instead of 'destructive' and then you not only get right to the truth, but you enlist years of sociological research behind legislation like this and other recording-industry abominations are bad.

    The common opinion on /. and the geek community in general is that Internet, file sharing, and the like are bad for some current business models, but in the long run good for society. We point to examples like VCRs, for instance. The problem has been one of convincing the mainstream non-geek population that this is true.

    Enter the term, "disruptive."

    There is a sizable body of mainstream economic literature (sorry, no URLs handy, ran across this in dead-tree pre-URL days) that focuses on "disruptive technologies" - how they are bad for some businesses and business models, but good for society as a whole. This is non-geek literature.

    Our problem is to cast the free and open nature of the Internet as a mainstream distruptive technology as important to society as the telephone, automobile, airplane, etc. Take a look at the international nature of Linux (or *BSD) and tell me that the Internet hasn't done something immensely valuable for mankind. Letter-writing and co-operative journals are old, so is travel, but this is international collaboration of an unprecedented scale by common people. Not only do we take it for granted, we're about to throw it away in exchange for an outmoded and defective business model. (I know, there are no words about shutting down the Internet, but the sum chilling effect of DRM effectively does so by turning it into radio/television.)

    This needs to become a mainstream issue, not a geek one.

    (IMHO, the most socially disruptive technology of recent history has been the sanitary napkin.)

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  7. Legalize it by dpilot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    IMHO, the secondary damage of the War On Drugs far outweight the damage of the drugs, themselves. By trying to interdict drugs, we turn them into a high-dollar business. Also IMHO, it becomes self-defeating, because the more successful you are at interdiction, the more the cost rises, the better-financed the drug supply chain become.

    I heard on NPR that in the 1968 election, Nixon promised to reduce crime. After getting elected, he had to produce. Some of his advisors told him that all of the more traditional law enforcement techniques had been proven not to work. (by experience) His best shot was drug treatment, to reduce demand, and therefore crimes of financing. He went along with it, it worked, and crime actually did go down measurably. In the 1972 election crime was no longer a big issue, so he dismantled the apparatus, and the approach has never been taken seriously again.

    Kind of like the way Clinton/Greenspan actually did achieve a "soft landing" of the economy right before the dot-com boom. But now the concept appears to be forgotten, and I have no doubt that whenever recovery comes, it will be back into the usual boom/bust cycles.

    Back to topic, filesharing is an interesting comparison to drugs because it is a widespread crime. Perhaps it should be better compared to Prohibition, one of the stupider ideas the US ever came up with, and clearly the STUPIDEST thing ever put into the US Constitution.

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