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Simputer Runs Into Problems

dejaffa writes "It seems that an Indian Linux-based "computer for the poor" is having financial issues. This has implications for the world digital divide. The story is here (MSNBC, I know, I know). There were originally great hopes for it, as seen here, but money is proving to be the stumbling block."

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  1. Why are computers necessary in India? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Realistically they could use paved roads for more benefit of the people. Although when you consider this country has nuclear missles and horrible infrastructure you have to wonder where their priorities are focused.

  2. Noble maybe, but realistic? by taeric · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I can certainly understand the desire to get technology "to the people," I do have to wonder about the uses.

    It is nice to think that a farmer could use such a device to get prices on equipment and such from around the world, however, what good will it do them? They still will probably be forced to buy what is easily provided.

    Instead, this seems like a case where people are just hoping that a computer can magically fix so many problems. I don't understand it, how exactly is the computer supposed to be the answer that solves world poverty?

    Should we not instead look to get more usefull technology to these farmers and other poor nations? Technologies that can in fact help them lead healthier more productive lives? Hell, a simple education could probably work wonders for many of them.

    -josh

    1. Re:Noble maybe, but realistic? by Derwen · · Score: 3, Insightful
      It is nice to think that a farmer could use such a device to get prices on equipment and such from around the world, however, what good will it do them? They still will probably be forced to buy what is easily provided. Instead, this seems like a case where people are just hoping that a computer can magically fix so many problems. I don't understand it, how exactly is the computer supposed to be the answer that solves world poverty?
      You have a rather narrow view of peoples' chance for progress :-(

      Whilst the farmer may carry on with her farm, with little direct and immediate benefit to herself from the computer, it could mean a lot for her children.
      Tech jobs is a growth sector in India (unlike in Europe atm) and early access to technology for children of the poor can lead to them getting out of povrty - through a good job - and then helping others in their family/community, too.

      You might as well question what use a cheap PC is to someone who works in your local "burger bar" - after all, it won't help them with their burger-flipping :-/
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  3. Price problem by Chardish · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Computers aren't cheap. They never have been. When it comes to food, shelter, medicine, or computers, what do you think has the lowest spending priority for a poor person?

    -evan

    1. Re:Price problem by Twylite · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you're hungry and in a country where many people are dying of preventable illnesses, education is the greatest key to upliftment.

      Most children have to forgo the opportunity of education in order to survive, because they are needed at home to contribute. This means that they don't have the time to walk 15km to and from school every day, as many children in Africa do.

      A broader base of accessible computers is a means to improve this situation. It will allow literacy improvement at home for many children and adults. It will also bring knowledge on how to avoid preventable diseases, primarily through basic nutrition and sanitation.

      These are areas of adult education that have been notoriously difficult to target because of a lack of resources, and the target audience being illiterate and not having the time to devote to learning.

      An interactive medium like a computer does not require literacy, and can be used to teach literacy. It can also (through expert systems) substitute for a doctor or paramedic when experts are not on hand (say, 100km away on a dirt road).

      The digital divide is not about people who don't have (quake|word processing|e-mail) versus those who do, it is about the failure to use modern (digital) technologies to address issues in underdeveloped countries.

      Maslow's Hierarchy is a model, and as with most models it is not entirely accurate, nor is it intended to function without context. 'Surfing the net' may not feature, but security needs and social needs -- both of which are enabled through education -- are directly above physical/biological needs.

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  4. This is stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What this company (and a lot of others) fail to realize is that the market for hi-tech devices isn't there until more basic needs are met. This goes for pretty much all third-world nations. There's no point in providing people with new technology when the "old" technology - indoor plumbing, running (clean) water, etc. isn't available to everyone yet. Solve the basic problems first, and only *then* try to sell them computers.

  5. too expensive by bigpat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think $200 is still too expensive to be of much use to craftsman and farmers. And what happens when one of these things breaks and you lose all your inventory information or records of who owes you what? I think paper and pencil is probably a much better use of people's time. People should be taught how to use computers in schools, but it does them a disservice to tell them they really need these machines. I fear this is just another way big companies wish to tell people how to live their lives and have gotten the intelectuals to prmote their agendas.

    Reminds me of the big chemical companies promoting pesticides in the third world thus putting entire populations and countries into debt.

    Don't fall for this crap. If it is a choice between a computer and a cleaner water supply, then go for the water.

  6. Oh please this has nothing to do with poverty !! by gelfling · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A Simputer used to get on the internet and check land records has nothing whatsoever to do with poor people and whether they will subsitute computers for food. This is for mid level people, probably state employees who are sent out to do a job, it's for urban shopkeepers who need to check something online or students who nead and educational tool. In India that's MILLIONS of people.

    The idea that the vastness of India is nothing but barfoot rice farmers and water buffaloes is frankly, insulting.

  7. Enough with the stereotypes! by Archie+Steel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not everyone in India is a farmer - in fact it is one of the booming IT market among poorer nations. I went to India 14 years ago, and when a friend of mine who went there recently sent me photos, I was astounded to see the number of "Internet" and "e-mail" signs in the streets. Things have evolved so fast over there! You see, India is trying to go from an agrarian/industrial society to a digital one. In fact, a lot of Western companies outsource some of their coding to India. It seems Indians have a cultural knack for programming and mathematics.

    If they feel like they need computers, then they need computers. The first world trying to decide what the third world needs has rarely worked, like trying to sell heavy farming equipment to people used to work their fragile soil with animal-powered equipment. Since it cost so much to maintain and repair, these expensive agricultural machines often end up collecting dust. In this particular case, I think recycling older computers (i.e. Pentium I and II) and giving them away to poorer nations which want them is a great idea. After all, they are the ones most aware of what their needs are...

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  8. Sim-Puter woes by El_Smack · · Score: 2, Insightful


    The really do have troubles.
    First, a tornado hit the factory. Then the workers rioted because local taxes are so high. As soon as that got fixed, the earthquake hit. What could possibly happen next, an alien invasion?!?!

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  9. Re:Food, Clothing and Shelter by Archie+Steel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you just keep supplying them with the basic necessities, you're not giving them a way out of poverty. If you can provide them with the tools to participate in a booming digital market (in South-East Asia, anyway), then you've done more than help them survive: you've given them a future.

    India is becoming a digital nation, with more and more Western companies outsourcing some of their coding needs there. If people in India feel like they need more computers, then we should believe them. Acting otherwise would be paternalistic, to say the least.

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  10. Not gonna happen by Skarstedt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While a noble initiative, this won't work. "Rural" folks don't need computers. They've gotten along without them just fine before now, why mess with them? As far as I know, there is no killer app that would make an Indian subsistence farmer ache to have access to a computer. When a killer app comes along, some enterprising company will then fill the market need. And there will be no need for a group of academics to shove the things down "Rural" folk's throats.

  11. Open up Simputer Commercial Licensing to Low End by DonWallace · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The Simputer is different enough from established computer platforms that I believe it will require some grass roots efforts to popularize it. I think that allowing some hobbyist electronics companies to produce a Simputer kit would help proliferate the device and probably would cross-fertilize the initiative to develop the computer for poor countries.

    In particular, the licensing terms from simputer.org are unfavorable to very small commercial operations: Any commercial exploitation of the Specifications (whether Simputer or Simputerized) involves a nominal one time payment to the Trust. The payment will be $25,000 for developing countries and $250,000 for developed countries.

    So, what about a smaller kit company in a developed nation, such as Jameco or others? They're almost certainly not going to spend $250K for a Simputer license. But if kit vendors were allowed open access to the plans, specifications, PC board layouts, etc. we could see enough hobbyists building and using Simputers to create a small revolution.

    At least, the royalty should be graduated according to the company's current size and profitability.

    My point: sometimes, drawing a hard line in the sand between "noble" non commercial use and "lowly" commercial exploitation is silly, and I can think of innumerable examples in the world where lack of profit motive and strong armed egalitarianism ruined a market.