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Ballmer Admits 'Linux Changed Our Game'

wackybrit writes: "We've all known Linux has got Microsoft all worried, but they've always denied it. On Monday at a conference in LA, however, Steve Ballmer (of Microsoft) confessed that the FUD surrounding Linux isn't quite what it was made out to be. The Register has also covered the story in an easier to read fashion. They point out that Microsoft has just changed a page on their site which originally derided Linux, but now simply states what 'Windows does better.'"

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  1. Re:Read Microsoft's page ... by Random+Bystander · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way I read that page was that they are trying to compare a homogenized Windows network with a Linux server connecting Windows clients together. Maybe I should read it some more times to see if they are also comparing a homogenized Linux network (or even a Unix-Linux heterogenous network).

    They are really comparing whether Linux will run Microsoft applications / frameworks (eg ASP), not comparing similar or equivalent functionality.

    No, I didn't expect them to be without bias, but all I really see is the same FUD presented in a different way.

  2. Halloween Docs by qwerpoiu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This happened in 1998, but only inside MS.
    I'm amazed they're doing what they now are.

    From the (http://opensource.org/halloween/halloween2.php) anotated halloween docs, which were leaked in 1998:
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    Here are some notable quotes from the document, with hotlinks to where they are embedded. It's helpful to know that ``OSS'' is the author's abbreviation for ``Open Source Software''.

    * Linux represents a best-of-breed UNIX, that is trusted in mission critical applications, and - due to it's open source code - has a long term credibility which exceeds many other competitive OS's.
    * Most of the primary apps that people require when they move to Linux are already available for free. This includes web servers, POP clients, mail servers, text editors, etc
    * An advanced Win32 GUI user would have a short learning cycle to become productive [under Linux].
    * I previously had IE4/NT4 on the same box and by comparison the combination of Linux / Navigator ran at least 30-40% faster when rendering simple HTML + graphics.
    * Long term, my simple experiments do indicate that Linux has a chance at the desktop market ...
    * Consumers Love It.
    * Linux's (real and perceived) virtues over Windows NT include: Customization ... Availability/Reliability ... Scaleability/Performance ... Interoperability ...
    * Linux is emerging as a key operating system in the nascent thin server market
    * Using today's server requirements, Linux is a credible alternative to commercial developed servers in many, high volume applications.
    * The effect of patents and copyright in combatting Linux remains to be investigated.
    * Note, however, that Compaq and Dell merely have to credibly threaten Linux adoption in order to push for lower OEM OS pricing.

  3. four distinct advantages by g4dget · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Funny, those four distinct advantages are exactly the advantages I see Linux has over NT. Microsoft has the arguments right, they just confused the two operating systems.

    Proven, comprehensive operating system platforms delivering seamless integration, industry-leading scalability and performance, broad application support, and solid reliability.

    Yes, given Linux's extremely widespread use, including at some of the biggest Internet sites in the world, Linux certainly has this advantage.

    Faster time-to-market via powerful tools and an extensible framework.

    Linux's Posix-based environment is proven, extensible, mature, and very widely used. Its Internet, services, management, and GUI frameworks are also highly extensible and industry leading. An additional time-to-market advantage is the immediate availability of updates and bug fixes throughout the community. This is in contrast with Microsoft's centralized development style, in which I am completely dependent on their efforts to deliver bug fixes.

    Ease of deployment, interoperability, and manageability in a heterogeneous environment.

    Indeed: score another one for Linux. Its POSIX foundations, widest support for network protocols and services, and multitude of options for management (including command line, GUI-based and network based), make it the clear winner.

    Better business alignment with straightforward licensing and clarity of intellectual property ownership.

    Yes, I very much prefer the straightforward licensing and clarity of the GPL over the muddy and complex legal agreements with a company like Microsoft. Furthermore, licensing costs for Linux are predictable in perpetuity. And, as an added bonus, I do not need to hire expensive lawyers to analyze the GPL--it is a known, standard, predictable agreement.

  4. Two other common themes of criticism by Goonie · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Distilling their competitive evaluation, I noticed the following themes:
    • There are 27 different ways of doing foo on Linux, whereas Microsoft offers a clear, standard solution.

    This is true. Microsoft does tend to impose the One True Way (TM), which can simplify some things. However, other people regard the fact that you can choose the best technologies for your application as a positive.

    • Capability bar is available as part of Microsoft operating systems, but it's a seperate app in Linux.

    Also often true, but: a) a lot of those capabilities are Windows tools that you probably wouldn't use in a Linux project unless you had to for compatibility reasons, b) a lot of them were open source packages that are usually packaged by the various distributions and are an apt-get away from installing, c) if they're open source, the extra licensing costs are zero anyway, and d) who says building everything into the OS is a good idea anyway?

    • Some bits of Linux are immature and buggy

    And Windows is perfect?

    It's good news that MS are changing their arguments to push their products over Linux-based solutions, because it tends to suggest that their customers (at least in this application domains) weren't listening to their old ones.

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    Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
    --Andy Finkel (J. Klass?)
  5. Re:How do they do it? by slickwillie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unix admins cost more than MCSEs, too.

    I guess it's true - you do get what you pay for.

  6. Re:HA HA HA HA by e_n_d_o · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I find most pathetic about their argument is statements like this one (from the Microsoft Embedded page):

    An example of this risk can be taken from NVIDIA. An NVIDIA programmer, in the course of developing a driver for one of its products, used a portion of code from a freely available video driver. The developer failed to realize the code was licensed under the GPL and would therefore require NVIDIA to release the source code for its entire driver. Because NVIDIA did not want to release the source code to its commercial software, the company incurred substantial cost to develop a new driver that did not contain the GPL code.

    If you're going to use someone else's source code, you better sure as heck check the license they are providing it under.

    This case is not much different than a hypothetical where a developer takes a chunk of Microsft's proprietary source code and uses it in a piece of their own proprietary software. The only difference is that with the GPL, the developer has the option of either making his license compatible with the GPL or removing the component from his project.

  7. Worrying by theolein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone on the varbusiness site noted, Microsoft is *NEVER* friendly nor admits to FUD or mistakes *UNLESS* they are preparing some sort of new attack on their competition. I would watch that space for upcoming announcements with regard to new Microsoft licencing restrictions (Trying to make it illegal to use Win on the same computer as Linux??) or something else.