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John Gilmore Sues Ashcroft et al. for Freedom to Travel

Posted by chrisd on from the let-me-see-your-papers dept.

ChTom writes "John Gilmore initiated a federal suit today in CA Northern District against Ashcroft, et al, challenging the air travel ID requirement: http://cryptome.org/freetotravel.htm (Mr. Gilmore is a businessman, civil libertarian, and philanthropist. He was the fifth employee of Sun Microsystems, an early author of open source software, and co-creator of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Cypherpunks, the DES Cracker, and the Internet's "alt" newsgroups. He serves as a director on several for-profit and nonprofit boards. )"

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  1. The truth about the ID requirements by one-egg · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The simple truth about the ID requirements is that they are not there to prevent terrorism. They are there to prevent you the consumer from selling your ticket to somebody else.

    That's why the airlines never fought the rules, even though they are clumsy and inconvenient for ticket agents to enforce.

  2. Re:Nyet! by SquadBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/1998/08/13/p3s2.h tm

    Do I win?

    --

    Cypherpunks: Civil Liberty Through Complex Mathematics. Those who live by the sword die by the arrow.
  3. Re:Reality by Prior+Restraint · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The reality of life in the US in the 21st century is that without ID checks and other security measures at airports, someone may fly the plane that you have a right to travel on into a building."

    The reality of life in the US in the 21st century is that with ID checks and other security measures at airports, someone did fly the plane that you have a right to travel on into a building.

  4. Re:Nyet! by oni · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No matter what you may think of Neal Boortz, I think he has a good point when he proposes an Airline Traveler's Bill of Rights as follows:

    1. The right to be treated with dignity and courtesy by all government employees engaged in the screening process.
    2. One passenger ombudsman to be made available at all airport screening stations to mediate disputes between federal screeners and agents.
    3. No passenger will be separated from his baggage during the screening process. All screening of passenger carry-on items shall be handled in the full view of the passenger.
    4. All passengers traveling with family members shall have the right to have one adult family member present during all aspects of the screening process.
    5. Baggage screeners shall take extraordinary care to repack all items in passenger's luggage neatly and carefully.
    6. Seating shall be provided for all passengers who are required to remove their shoes in the screening process.
    7. Screeners shall be responsible for all damage to passenger's property during the search process.
    8. Screeners will not be permitted to search the contents of a wallet or other item carrying passenger's cash or credit cards without a supervisor present.
    9. All passengers who have personal items confiscated at the screening stations shall be provided with mailing envelopes for use in mailing seized items to passenger's home address. The passenger shall be permitted to place the item in the envelope, seal the envelope, and place the item in the U.S. mail at the screening station.
    10. The right to the immediate intervention and assistance of a local law enforcement officer in the event passenger suspects that a screener has stolen property of the passenger of if the screener has touched or groped the passenger in an inappropriate way.
    11. All screening stations shall be under constant video and audio surveillance and tapes of said surveillance shall be available to local law enforcement officers in the event of a dispute between passengers and screeners.
  5. Airlines need ID by Quixote · · Score: 5, Interesting
    This prolly will stay at score 2, but here's the scoop on the IDs: the Airlines started asking for IDs, and not the FAA. This is because they wanted to kill the resale market in tickets. Speculators were buying/selling tickets, and cutting the airlines out of the profits. To prevent this, the airlines started asking for IDs to make sure that the person who bought the tickets was indeed the one flying.

    An ID makes absolutely no difference to the security . The perps of 9/11 all had valid IDs. Some posters say that they had "deportation orders" against some of them; even so, it wouldn't have made a difference because airlines don't check against any 'deportation lists'. Even if they did, I can get a passable fake Drivers License for a couple of 100 bucks. And what does the gate attendant in, say, Boston know about an (say) Alaskan DL? They all look different! The airline attendants don't specialise in ID verification; they are ticket agents, for crying out loud!