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Comparing and Contrasting BSD/OS and NetBSD

LiquidPC writes: ""Even though BSD/OS and NetBSD operating systems have been mostly developed by different developers with some different goals over the past nine years, they share many similarities due to their near identitical open source origins and the open source software that complements the systems" Read the article comparing and contrasting NetBSD and BSD/OS at BSDNewsLetter.com."

35 comments

  1. Re:first BSD post by questionlp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    BSD/OS is not OpenBSD.

    BSD/OS is the commercial version of BSD, whereas Net|Open|FreeBSD are open source version of BSD.

  2. on another note.. by josepha48 · · Score: 2

    NetBSD 1.5.3 is starting to apear on the ftp site. YEAH! There is a i386 port as well as several others...

    --

    Only 'flamers' flame!

  3. What's the point? by saintlupus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is a remarkably content free article. For those who want the Cliff's Notes version:

    * BSD/OS has a commercial license.

    * Some of the binaries in BSD/OS are slightly
    smaller.

    * The setup scripts are arranged a little differently.

    * BSD/OS has more stuff by default, and it might take as much as ten minutes in the package tree to bring NetBSD up to par.

    Er, that's about it.

    I'd be more interested in a comparison of the three free BSD operating systems; I've been running NetBSD and OpenBSD for a couple of years now, but I've never installed FreeBSD. I've heard it's got something of a Linuxy bloat rather than the grim austerity of the Open and Net OSes... any comments from users? Might as well put _something_ useful in this wasted comments section.

    --saint

    1. Re:What's the point? by O_Sleep · · Score: 1

      Throw OS X in the comparison of the three as well.

    2. Re:What's the point? by ffsnjb · · Score: 2

      "Linuxy" bloat only if you choose to install FreeBSD that way. It would be nice to be able to not install the uucp, ppp and isdn utilities by default, but thats about the only unnecessary crap (in my case, others may use it...) I trash on a minimum install.

      --
      "Why do you consent to live in ignorance and fear?" - Bad Religion
    3. Re:What's the point? by someonehasmyname · · Score: 1

      I've been running FreeBSD and OpenBSD for a couple of years now, and haven't ever installed NetBSD before.. It's true, FreeBSD does by default take a little more room than OpenBSD (not near as bad as Linux), but I think it's worth it.. FreeBSD's configuration files and everything make much more sense to me than OpenBSD's..

      --
      Common sense is not so common.
    4. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > FreeBSD's configuration files and everything make much more sense to me than OpenBSD's

      Really?
      Not to start a flame war or anything, but I am really surprised. I tried both, but chose OpenBSD because configuration and everything else there made much more sense to me than FreeBSD. Different people - different preferences I guess.

    5. Re:What's the point? by MobyTurbo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:
      I'd be more interested in a comparison of the three free BSD operating systems; I've been running NetBSD and OpenBSD for a couple of years now, but I've never installed FreeBSD. I've heard it's got something of a Linuxy bloat rather than the grim austerity of the Open and Net OSes... any comments from users? Might as well put _something_ useful in this wasted comments section.

      Wasted comments section? It's not wasted if you want to read canned AC posts about BSD being dead. ;-D

      Seriously though, I haven't used OpenBSD, and have only used NetBSD via a shell account on someone else's boxen, but FreeBSD is a lot less bloated in it's initial install than all major Linux distributions. The main reason I chose it over NetBSD or OpenBSD is it's larger (in fact humongeous) ports selection - very useful since I use it primarily as a workstation. (Am I the only one that uses BSD as something besides only a server or firewall?) Most of ports is not installed by default however; though my system was even lighter than average since I installed using the 4.6 mini-ISO due to being a dialup user, which meant that I had to use ports to fetch X Windows.

    6. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not alone. Laptop, 2 workstations and my server

    7. Re:What's the point? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use FreeBSD on my desktops and my servers. Sure there's a couple of things that get installed by default that I don't need (UUCP, ISDN, for example) but the base system is very complete and up-to-date. It's interesting to see Perl being moved out of the base system in 5.0-CURRENT, as a lot of the system maintenance scripts are going to have to be ported to C.

    8. Re:What's the point? by Moridineas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been running NetBSD and OpenBSD for a couple of years now, but I've never installed FreeBSD. I've heard it's got something of a Linuxy bloat rather than the grim austerity of the Open and Net OSes...

      I've used FreeBSD a good bit, and have one OpenBSD firewall box setup. They both have their good sides and bad sides imho.

      The main good things about FreeBSD imho are the bigger ports collection and more users (more chance someone has had your problem before ;) The install program for FreeBSD is a lot friendlirt than the Open (though Open went 100% fine for me) and to me FreeBSD config files are easier to setup. OpenBSD on the other hand as a Firewall type box can't be beat imho, the ease of seting it up and writing pf rules can't be beaten. I'm not sure I'd want my personal desktop running OpenBSD though.

    9. Re:What's the point? by dohcvtec · · Score: 1

      ...something of a Linuxy bloat...
      Hardly; even with full source code + the ports collection installed, it only consumes about 700MB IIRC. OpenBSD does have a very small footprint, while still being very complete, but FreeBSD isn't that far off. Besides, for all of the utilities installed, there is one and only one version installed. I've seen plenty of Linux distributions with 3 versions of application foo and 3 versions of application bar installed - what's the point?

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      -- Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat.
    10. Re:What's the point? by dohcvtec · · Score: 2, Interesting

      FreeBSD is my top choice for a desktop Unix-like system. In my experience, it's "snappier" performance-wise than any other Unix or Unix-like system I've used.

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      -- Never hit a man with glasses. Hit him with a baseball bat.
    11. Re:What's the point? by RevDobbs · · Score: 2

      Wow, that's odd... maybe it was just documentation differences, but I took to OpenBSD much quicker than FreeBSD. I recomend OpenBSD to just about everyone looking to learn UNIX these days, the "intro email" and man afterboot provide all you need to get started playing with it.

    12. Re:What's the point? by benedict · · Score: 2

      No, you're not alone. I used a FreeBSD
      workstation for years, until Mac OS X came
      out.

      At work I use a diskless X terminal running
      NetBSD.

      --
      Ben "You have your mind on computers, it seems."
  4. Can't us BSD users work together? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the same source code anyway. If we work together, maybe we can postpone its death for a little longer. Oh, too late.

    It's official: BSD is dead.

  5. Eh by neroz · · Score: 1

    This would have been a lot more interesting if they compared the kernels instead of userland.. all unixes can have the same userland. blah.

  6. Sad News, Talk Radio, netBSD death, Few Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just heard the sad news on talk radio. Troubled OS netBSD was found dead in it's downtown office. Initial reports place blame on a wasabi overdose. There were no more details. Truly a loss for the OS dabbler-dilletante troll hobbyist community. I miss it already:-(

  7. that is not insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is inaccurate. BSD/OS has high quality SMP support. BSD/OS has commercial software packages released for it. BSD/OS is a production ready server product, engineered for use as a server operating system on real servers. Get that? NetBSD is not. NetBSD is an ongoing, somewhat clever, hack that runs everywhere. but it's not what you want running your mission critical apps. BSD/OS, however, is.

    1. Re:that is not insightful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't say that NetBSD is a bad OS. I have been very impressed with their NetBSD-sparc port running on my 1991 SPARCstation 2. I haven't had a single crash and it has been running pretty fast.

  8. last post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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    Can you tell me where he's gone?
    I thought I saw him walking up o'er the hill
    With Berkeley, Software and Distribution

  9. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    It is now official. Netcraft confirming: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying