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Perl 5.8.0 Released
twoshortplanks writes "The latest version of Perl has been released, with new features such as better Unicode support, a new threads implementation, new IO layer support, and a whole plethora of bundled modules - plus a wonderful collection of regression tests and new documentation. The release notes and links to mirrors for download are on dev.perl.org." This is not a release candidate, it's the real thing, representing over two years of work by patch pumpkin holder Jarkko Hietaniemi and his merry band. Hugo van der Sanden is the new pumpking for perl 5.10.
or at least make it easier to write readable code...
we could only wish
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fuck you, CLiT.. i bet this appears before you even claim FP on this thread.
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Or is it? This release actually came out a few days ago (typical slashdot slowness on the announcment) and we haven't seen many downloads happen yet. In fact, the mailing list has gotten a lot of traffic saying that they shouldn't have released 5.8 because nobody uses Perl anymore because it's error-prone and poorly-documented. I hope this doesn't spell the end for Perl...
Like most programmers, I use perl on a daily, if not hourly, basis. It is great for prototyping, proofs of concept, and the inevitable "glue" code. So I have been anticipating 5.8 for some time.
It's great to hear that they finally fixed the problems with threading, and Unicode support was a long time coming, but I'm sure well worth the wait. It is a shame the Perl team wasn't able to add true OO support and exception handling to this release, but I guess it is just another reality of open source software that projects are steered according to the whims of the programmers and not to what the users actually want. I'll be switching to Python, and I urge others to do the same.
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
One of the goals of Perl 6 is to make non-trivial projects possible. That's good. The way it's being done is bad. Perl was once a lightweight, extremely flexible language. Now it's become a huge ugly monster. People wanted OO, so a nasty hack was bolted on top to allow some semblance of it. Now this nasty hack is being expanded. Sure, the code's different, but the basic form is the same. Kludge upon kludge upon kludge; I'd much rather have a nice, clean, pure language (and not one with loads of irritating whitespace thankyou very much).
The same goes for the syntax. All the switching between $, @ and % is really irritating (ask a newbie how to get at the length of the keys array of a hash inside a hash, for example), and the changes proposed for 6 are just making this worse -- it seems that Larry, in his infinite wisdom, wants to prefix every data type with a different hard-to-type character. Perl was only designed for the three data types, and adding more is a mess.
Perl 6 is a complete rewrite, but it keeps all the mess which has accumulated over the previous versions. This is not good. Sure, my const int $var = 27; may look neat (in the same way that, say, Pascal does), but $var isn't entirely constant, or entirely an integer, it's just a hack which makes it sort of behave like one. The whole thing is an exercise in pseudo-computer science masturbation with little real purpose except to please the managers who dislike the one thing that makes Perl special.
On a similar note is regexes. I'm an avid fan of regular expressions simply because a nondeterministic finite automata is far more flexible than linear code. However, Larry must have been smoking that cheap $2 crack when he wrote this. Does he want Perl 6 to be flex or something?
I won't be going on to use 6. It's a nice idea, but it's completely unnecessary. It won't make large projects any easier to manage (the language is still, at heart, an almighty hack -- an impressive one, but still a hack). It won't make OO any cleaner. It won't make development any faster. To put it bluntly, Perl scripts will still look less beautiful than our friend Mr Goatse. I'd prefer to use a language which has always been pure synthesis of science and engineering, not some half-baked imposter.
Perl 6 will be nice, but I'm guessing it will be the end of Perl. It can't do what it wants to do whilst still being based upon a nasty mess. There are now other options, which provide all of Perl's power and none of the mess. Sorry, but *BSD^H^H^H^HPerl is dying. Larry is buggering it up the ass without lubricants, just like Shoeboy is doing to Larry's daughter.
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We use Perl down at the lab to check our email, write our reports and control our particle accelerator. If you are using a legacy language like C or C++ to perform any of these tasks, you have no business being in the software field. These languages are hard to maintain and produce buggy code. Perl is the only way to go for your needs, no matter what they are.
In all due respect to Mr.Hugo van der Sanden the editors should change this. You make him sound like the Guinea pig at AdultToy.com.
Which is better? Perl or HTML?
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God, this is your mom! Go do your homework NOW!
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Get your bitch ass back in the kitchen and make me some pie!
Quote from that post: "Is there anywhere that summarizes the various changes to perl since version 5? there are the perldoc perldelta documents (here is the perldelta document for 5.8.0 [perl.org]). However, these are complete, technical changelogs, and cover everything from language changes to small inconsistency smoothings to changes to obscure library functions to bugfixes in internal perl functions." (emphasis added)
To which your incredibly clever answer was to look up perldelta, even explaining how to do it with perldoc (in a rather clumsy way; perldoc perldelta will do fine). Now: Since you seem to be such an amazingly clever person, could you actually come with some information that could actually help? Thanks.
Tomorrow will be cancelled due to lack of interest