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Triangle Boy Lives

mlinksva writes: "Safeweb cancelled their free service late last year, but their P2P anonymizing proxy, Triangle Boy, has been spotted in the wild (south of Fort Worth, Texas). 'Because of its stealth nature, the P2P software does not show up in reports from many filtering products and the administrator doesn't even know the problem exists and has no way to check it.'(via UniteTheCows)."

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  1. Yeah. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Orange, Calif.-based 8e6 Technologies helped conduct the tests.

    "The results were startling," said Chad Ingram, network technician at Crowley. "The only filter we tested that stopped Triangle Boy use was the 8e6 Technologies R2000. Then, using the 8e6 Enterprise Reporter, we took a look at the logs to see if we actually had users trying to contact the Triangle Boy network. We found that in the first 48 hours, users had gone to the primary Triangle Boy Website over 30 separate times."


    Fucking fancy that! The only way to detect this evil P2P software is to use this peice of software. Of course is just so happens that the people who discovered the shocking truth also sell that product.

    It must be the wildest fucking coincedence in the history of computing.

  2. What's to keep.... by blazen1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "The school said it is now adjusting its network to detect Triangle Boy and other similar applications." What if anything about this software will keep it from being filtered in the next revisions of filtering software?

  3. P2P by Wanker · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Dave Salch, CTO of 8e6 Technologies, said because of its stealth nature, the P2P software does not show up in reports from many filtering products and the administrator doesn't even know the problem exists and has no way to check it.
    Since when is a web proxy P2P software?

    The same function as Triangle Boy can easily be duplicated by anyone with a linux box on a permanent Internet connection. Just set up an HTTPS squid proxy.

    Clever users will also note that you can tunnel this over just about any port you want. Make this an encrypted tunnel and no filter in the world will detect it. If your school/network allows even a single TCP port out to the Internet you can do this. (Some places allow arbitrary TCP ports to be forwarded via the HTTP proxy. Other places may have a SOCKS or similar proxy available. Those would both work for this in the event all direct connections are blocked.)

    I do miss Safeweb. That open proxy was very helpful for casual browsing. The closest non-open substitute I've found is http://www.anonymizer.com.
  4. Oh no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sya, which company was it again? This Triangle Boy is surely a threat to my network security! I must go and by the only firewall product that can block this terrorist menace!

    Not only do they get their press release on siliconvalley.internet.com, they get a free ad on Slashdot too!

  5. Filters are in danger... Oh no. by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I personally have been in a University which performed heavy filtering, and even worked in the IT department of the school. I do not have a problem with blocking or lowering priority for certain p2p apps such as Napster (back in the day), kazaa, etc. I do however have a major problem with filtering web access. While p2p is a major problem in terms of bandwidth and is clearly not for academic purposes (the vast majority of the time), many blocked websites are quite useful for academic purposes. As an example, my school blocked the Google cache and pretty much all translation sites, because they could be "used to access pornographic content" (not neccessarily images). It seems that the possible benefits of said cache (which include pdf -> html and .doc -> html converters) and benefits of all the translation software massively outweigh the possible use for reading pornographic content. I must say, I welcome all such apps as triangle boy and hope to see them spread more widely, as it appears that is the only way we will keep the internet a place where information flows freely, without restrictions from those who would love to brainwash the masses. May Triangle Boy, Peekabooty, and any other similar projects flourish.

  6. Re:So? by Rhinobird · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't see the liability issue there - its a piece of "stealth" software that the student, of his own free will, has used - despite acceptable measures to prevent he or she from doing so.
    since when has anything like that stopped people from sueing?
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  7. Public Schools by DarkZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A public school system in a country that values democracy and free speech filters its web access, most likely for not only pornography but also for hate speech, breast cancer information, and 2600.com, and is now desperately trying to get rid of a stealthy program that is meant to circumvent the oppression of free speech in repressive dictatorships.

    From what I saw in my time in the US school system, this sad, ironic situation pretty well sums up how the school system here works.

    1. Re:Public Schools by drsoran · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they have to have control over the people in the school to accomplish their goals of structuring the environment in the school, and anything that detracts from the percieved goal of the syllabus in classes is undesirable.

      Schools need to wake up and realize, if they haven't already, that they need to just deny everything and have a whitelist of acceptable sites. That's the only way they'll ever make sure the kids aren't accessing porn and inappropriate content. There need to be all-inclusive sites for educational institutions to subscribe to that include all the tools a student would usually need to do research.. encyclopedias, dictionaries, filtered access to periodicals online, etc.

    2. Re:Public Schools by Oswald · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No no no no. You completely misunderstand. We really do value democracy--for ourselves. As for that weirdo down the street or those cretins in the next state, well they would only waste their votes anyway. Interestingly, a lot of this attitude can be laid at the feet of the shitty public schools we are compaining about.

      On the other hand, I probably wouldn't be totally thilled with where you live either--humans are so troublesome.

  8. Re:Filters are in danger... Oh no. by orthogonal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I personally have been in a University which performed heavy filtering

    Did everybody on campus go to chapel together?

    Did they also have lights-out in the dorms at 11pm, after the "Dorm Mother" made sure that all members of the opposite sex had signed out and left?

    Did they hold seminars explaining that "self-abuse" could lead to blindness and hairy palms?

    Did they ban Elvis for swiveling his hips, and look askance at all the "groovy" kids who went to the campus rally for Adlai Stevenson's presidential campaign?

    Policies like your uni's scare me a lot more than the thought that some geek might be pullin' his pud to pictures of Paulina Porizkova.

  9. Overlooking Elementary Security by new500 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    . . .

    Boy does this sort of advisory wind me up. FUD about users downloading applications, I've seen this on almost every pitch for expensive firwalls and security consultancy recently.

    This ought to be so simple - do not allow users to have sufficient priviledges to install software!

    Problem solved.

    Okay, before I get flamed, this won't work for developer teams or your admins - for whom I merely suggest you can implement a draconian contract - i.e. fire anyone using any software not explicitly authorised (a minimum policy imo) and have a regular *external* audit.

    Neither will this work for networks of Win9x clients, because you can't set appropriate secuirity policies. However you could always get SMS from M$$$$ or write your own scripts to call registry entries and check them against a permitted template so as to flag suspicious installations. At the end of the day it may even be worth upgrading your clients. Or just installing Linux and StarOffice, if you can, he he :). But with respect to upgrading even say from Win9x to Win2k, which ain't cheap, it's still probably less expensive than all the FUD claims - even the reality - of lost security and lost productivity from unauthorised use of your network resources and manpower.

    Oh yeah, and you *do* only open ports explicitly at your firewall, not close off ports in response to the latest "advisory" don't you :-)

  10. Blocking Free Speech by evilviper · · Score: 5, Insightful
    SafeWeb developed the Triangle Boy software for use with its project with Voice of America in an effort to circumvent foreign governments [...] that block free speech.
    It says a great deal that software, which was designed to circumvent opressive foreign government, is put into use in public schools, libraries, etc.
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    1. Re:Blocking Free Speech by repoleved · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " And if you're a sociologist doing online research of, for example, the impact of evolving internet connectivity in middle-eastern countries, you might want some encryption as well, to avoid that visit from your friendly local FBI agents. "

      or else you'll make them even more suspicious and they will closely monitor all of your telephone calls, financial transactions, email correspondence and web traffic for the next few years....

  11. That old Double standard by thales · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Spam and Filters.

    When the subject is Spam, I see lots of people insisting that they have the right to control what is on their computers. (True)

    When the subject changes to filters, suddenly the people who own the computer suddenly lose the right to control the content? The Company you work or or the school that you attend owns that computer that they installed the internet filtering software on, and they have as much right to "censor" internet access on their computer as you have to "censor" email from spammers on your computer.

    I'll admit that the commerical filtering software is garbage that often blocks the wrong sites and allows access to some sites that they should have picked up, but that dosen't change the fact that the owners of the computers have the right to install the software.

    Don't like the poor software availble? Then start developing an open source filtering software that works better and offer that as an alternitive to the junk that is currently used.

    Want full unrestricted access? Use your computer instead of one that was provided to you to do a job or for educational access.

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    1. Re:That old Double standard by reflective+recursion · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, I would _love_ to see you go down to your public library and walk away with _your_ computer. Paying taxes does not mean ownership in any way shape or form. This is a myth. What you _can_ do is vote on certain issues and get involved. Beyond that, you own that computer just as much as the air your breathe. You can play with it and use it, but it sure isn't _yours_. You can't go and destroy street signs, just because you paid taxes to have them placed there. Nor can you go and drive on the opposite side of the highway. That is a restriction just like filters are a restriction. Don't like it? Too bad. You didn't vote on the issue or get involved when the decision was made.

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