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NASA 'Hyper-X' Series Scramjets

swight1701 writes "Sciencedaily.com is reporting that NASA has revealed its plans for developing Hypersonic aircraft within 2 decades. These plans include planes that could routinely go Mach 5+ and capable of taking off from an airport and visiting the IIS, or for you earthbound folk, from one airport to any other within 2 hours. And you thought your luggage gets lost NOW.:)" NASA's release includes some graphics showing what the test vehicles look like.

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  1. Re:How do they see? by TamMan2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am going out on a limb here, but I think they have to use remote sensing because of the aerodynamics involved.

    Any useful window has to have a large area projected to a plane perpendicular to the direction of travel. This would mean an extremely large window because of the wedge angle at the front of the plane. And this angle is required to be very small to keep the losses associated with the bow shock from becoming astronomical. The faster you are going (relative to the speed of sound) the smaller that angle must be to keep the shock attached and oblique.

    The really interesting stuff on this craft is the engine inlets, the entire plane is designed to minimize engine inlet losses, due to shocks. Cool stuff

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  2. Visiting the IIS... by Muad'Dave · · Score: 4, Funny
    and visiting the IIS...

    If I want to visit the IIS, I'll just go into the computer room, thank you. Oh, you mean the ISS...

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    1. Re:Visiting the IIS... by den_erpel · · Score: 3, Funny

      I am currently still continuously visited by IIS, why go there:

      12.34.56.789 - - [28/Feb/2002:05:44:58 -0500] "GET /scripts/..%c1%1c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe?/c+dir HTTP/1.0" 404 224

      >:)

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  3. Re:May I ask... by Mt._Honkey · · Score: 4, Informative
    Read the article:
    Once a hypersonic vehicle has accelerated to more than twice the speed of sound, the turbine or rockets are turned off, and the engine relies solely on oxygen in the atmosphere to burn fuel. When the vehicle has accelerated to more than 10 to 15 times the speed of sound, the engine converts to a conventional rocket-powered system to propel the craft into orbit or sustain its top suborbital flight speed.
    Also notice this:
    NASA's Space Launch Initiative, managed by the Marshall Center, is working to develop the technology for a second-generation vehicle that could lead to a replacement for the first-generation Space Shuttle by 2012 --
    I don't think that the shuttles are going to last 10 more years... they're already cracking, who knows what else might happen by then. This project should have started a long time ago. The budget is $700,000,000, which is cheap compared to the repeated launch cost of the overly expensive shuttle fleet. I'd say that it's a worthy investment.
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  4. Wow, new airplane designs! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The flying tube really hasn't had much design change for the past 50 years. Oh, I forgot, "Winglets, yay!"

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  5. PULSEJET: Combines Air Breathing and Rocket by justanyone · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Pulse jets (like the WWII German V-1 "cruise missle") could transition between air-scoop and rocket. Features:
    • using atmospheric oxygen as oxidizer at low altitude & speed
    • use onboard oxygen as oxidizer at higher altitudes and speeds;
    • climb to 50-60 K feet altitude and refuel conventionally (subsonic of course);
    • change air scoop / inlet geometry with increasing speed / air density (model this in wind tunnel);
    • Add oxidizer as needed to optimize fuel efficiency;
    • Fuel/oxidizer drop-tanks if necessary (cheap, conventional);
    • pulsejets are non-continuous burn, can shut them down easeier than turbine / rocket engines;
    • Can use variable-sweep wings for different mach numbers and to optimize wing loading;

    Just some ideas.

    ALSO: How come we don't see postings on Nasa websites with "what we've considered and why it didn't work" so outside engineers can solve their problems for them...

  6. Re:Stupid designs. by spike+hay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At those speeds, wings are a hindrance. One finds that the leading surfaces must be made of unobtanium.

    One of the ways around this is to use plasma. If you generate plasma ahead of an aircraft with a welding-torch type of thing, you can reduce the drag by as much as 30%. The Russians are using plasma in their next generation of MiGs. (BTW, plasma also absorbs radar)

    Another thing is to use carbon-carbon composites. C-C's are very expensive but can withstand many thousands of degrees. They are used in rocket nozzles.

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  7. Re:How do they see? by iiii · · Score: 3, Funny

    These craft will be piloted only by navigators, members of the Space Guild, who, due to their heavy use of spice melange, can perceive the present and future without windows, and can fold space.

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  8. Re:May I ask... by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Well, liquid hydrogen costs about $5/kg. You need much less than 30 kg to launch 1kg of payload. (2.2 pounds to the kg btw). You do the maths. And incidentally, hydrogen is pretty expensive. LOX is under 4c per kg, and kerosene is not much more than LOX. The fuel is totally negligable.

    Your numbers are a bit off BTW. The cost to launch a man is generally reckoned to be about $10,000 per kg. The russians charge less than $20 million, basically because they can. Their whole rocket costs about $5 million. There's a big difference between cost and price...

    The real cost goes into the salaries of the employees. There's about 10,000 or more involved with the Space Shuttle. But don't get the impression that the Russian rockets are cheaper just because the Russians are paid a lot less- they are, that's a big factor, but the way they put their rockets together is more efficient as well. NASA don't seem to care about low cost in quite the same way.

    Please don't mention the external tank... it gives me a headache just thinking about that much waste.

    SLI? Hah!

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