Slashback: Arch, Bubbles, Keystrokes

Slashback with updates tonight on keystroke tracking (but not spying), OddTodd's interesting approach to unemployment, cold fusion, and an appeal from the Arch folks. Read on below for the details.

This research could still lead to new and powerful sink cleansers. mrsalty writes "A topic of brief and skeptical discussion back in april, Sonoluminescence as a fusion catalyst seems to be circling the drain. According to this BBC News article, new research shows that the collapsing bubbles' temperatures fall a bit short of that needed for fusion. A bit in this case being a few million degrees."

Discretion is sometimes the better part of avoiding attention. stinky wizzleteats writes: "Looks like OddTodd got off on charges that he defrauded the State of New York by starting www.oddtodd.com (Laid Off Land) while receiving unemployment payments. I didn't know he was only getting 67% of the take (his provider was getting the rest, which sort of explains why the site didn't get /.ed when the first story about him was run."

Try explaining this one to your parents. Earlier this year, we posted about Project Dolphin, an effort to measure the number of keystrokes you make as you IRC, email, program, whatever. Now, Wes N. a.k.a c3 writes with a largish update from the project's homepage, excerpting:

To this end, Dolphin has found itself its own dedicated server that serves as a home that is now (finally) suitably equipped to handle the growth we want to see, and fully expect. Previous participants will notice that this site itself has been fully redesigned and revamped toward a more professional look, while remaining commercial free in the original spirit of the project.

At the very core, this is a research project for its designers. It's made by geeks and it's made for geeks. The positive feedback received over the last few months since its initial launch has ensured that it will continue along it's current path of growth in the spirit of fun and experimentation for the forseeable future. (end from website) The new version of project-dolphin's Pulse is due to come out any time now. The new version is supposed to have a few bug fixes and how loads of new features. to check how the progress is coming along check out The development website some of the new features include . Typing Activity tab, Keystroke Frequencies chart , and alot of other neat stuff check it out on the website or goto irc.project-dolphin.net #projectdolphin on IRC."

"Arch" is adjective, verb and noun in one. When it comes to replacing CVS, Subversion is not the only game in town. We posted in May about the even-more-ambitious arch revision control system. Now, bshanks writes: "Tom Lord, the author of the revolutionary arch revision control system (slashdot article here), needs some monetary help."

Comments

A lucky SOB :)

[Lancer]

Looks like the judge agreed that the site was meant as a joke, even if he did end up cashing in - good for him, but I don't think I'll go into business being out of work :)

I Have To Hand It To Slashdot...

[istartedi]

...having the guts to post stories about alternatives to CVS, when their parent company (VA Software) has a CVS-based product (SourceForge) as one of their few apparent streams of revenue.

Could this perhaps be stealth R&D for SourceForge 4.0, which might perhaps act as a front-end for all types of source maintenance tools? Given VA's past record, they're not apt to be that savvy. Perhaps Taco et. al. are just trying to convince upper management that they need to do something Real Soon Now. Perhaps they desire to have said higher powers become so disgusted with /. that they will decide to sell it to someone like Salon or NYT so that the editorial staff can finally become real journalists like they always wanted.

Re:I Have To Hand It To Slashdot...

[dthable]

If VA was smart they would figure out ways to take the CVS code, make it modular and sell modules for source control systems other than CVS. Not everyone is going to use CVS just because SourceForge requires it.

First, CVS is quite limited to what can be done with it. A lot of third party tools like PVCS and ClearCase provide a lot of GUI enhancements that make working with the products easier. And other systems, like Perforce and Bitkeeper really give developers a lot of control over concurrent development. CVS was a great idea to RCS, but now, it rates right up their with Visual Source Safe.

We looked at using SourceForge where I work. Basically, since we didn't use CVS or have a need for the mailing list features, we only saw value to the bug tracker, task list and document section. The document section of SourceForge is very simple so it didn't buy us anything more than posting pages in HTML. Why would we pay for it. Now, if they could develop nice web based stuff like tinderbox for different source control systems, we would buy it hands down.

Re:thanks for the press, slashdot

[lm]

I'm the CEO of BitMover, we produce BitKeeper, an SCM tool which has some similarities to Arch. We're quite a bit farther along, we're 5+ years old and have a fairly large team, so I have some idea of what it takes to turn something like Arch into a real product from what it is today, which is more of a work of charity or altruism.

We've been taken to task here and elsewhere for not making BitKeeper be open source. This is a reasonable opportunity for us to explain why we haven't done so.

Tom's managed to raise $10K this year in support of all of his fine projects, arch being only one of them. We're not trying to do everything he is doing, all we do is source management. The problem is that we spend $10K every day or so in salaries. And we are dramatically understaffed compared to any other SCM company, when they figure out how small our engineering staff is they are amazed that we are able to do what we do.

The reality is that we should be at more like $100K per day in salaries to really have a good product. The problem is that all you lovely slashdot folks want to get everything for free. And you'll insist on it if you can get away with it. Given that the SCM market is so small, the only way to get the money for the salaries is if you have a product which is based on IP and requires people to pay for it. Face it, if we gave BitKeeper away for free but asked you to support us with "donations" not one of you would do so. Remember, Tom is a really bright guy doing really nice work and he's managed to gather all of $10K this year. Which we spend in a day or two. And we're also really bright people doing really nice work, but that doesn't mean you'll give us or him money.

The point is that certain market spaces simply don't work based on the tradition open source support style model. That model works great for things where there is a huge market and the product is broken so you can ask for support and people will want to pay for it. That model fails completely if you ever provide a product which works. It also fails if the market is small.

The point is that if you want Arch to succeed, encourage Tom to make it a closed source product and get some funding and create a business. Anything less is a joke in poor taste. It's great to imagine that you'll get all your problems solved for free, but that's just not going to happen.

It's not what you want to hear but I can't help that. If any of you can show how to support the salary cost it actually takes to support a product like Arch/Subversion/BitKeeper/whatever with an open source business model, we'll happily do so. We would like it much better if we could. As far as we can tell, we can't and we can also see that Tom can't either. Prove us wrong. Show us how. We'd love be shown that we don't understand. Just make sure that you show up with $100,000/day rather than $40/day which is what Tom is raising.