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NYC Subways Testing Flywheels

socolow writes "The New York Times (free registration required) has an article about the NYC subway system's use of flywheels to store the braking energy of trains approaching stations. Not only does this advance the development of flywheel energy storage, but it will help relieve a lot of the heat subways generate (always appreciated during the summer)."

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  1. A Wired article by L.+VeGas · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wired ran an article about the new flywheels a while ago.

  2. Re:Regenerative braking by marauder404 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you read the article, you'd know: they can't put power right back into the third rail because the resistance of the rail is too high. And they can't put it into batteries because there aren't batteries big enough to solve the problem. So they use a flywheel.

    Please read the article before posting, next time.

  3. Content of the article by ktulu1115 · · Score: 0, Informative

    Just in case anyone is too lazy to go read it, here's the content of the article:

    The people who ensure that electric power is supplied constantly and consistently to the New York City subway get very little attention.

    Track work somehow seems more honest -- the hoisting of heavy rails and traversing of dark tunnels. Water work seems more daring -- inflatable skiffs and scuba gear dispatched to save the system from sure inundation. Even motormen and conductors are figures of stoic romance, captaining their 400-ton trains above and below the city.

    Try as you might, it is just not as easy to summon that kind of interest in a guy with a pair of alligator clips and an ohmmeter, poring over a schematic of a circuit breaker.

    Then again, if it were not for that guy and the 650 volts of direct current that he knows how to dispatch through the third rail, miles of tracks and yards full of subway trains would amount to nothing more than ornamented chunks of steel.

    So when an invitation was extended recently to visit a secluded stretch of land along Jamaica Bay, for a peek at what was described as "this incredible new gadget that the power guys are working on," a visit was dutifully paid.

    The subway rarely conjures up images of high technology. But in a cinder-block barn near the jet path of Kennedy International Airport, the subway's chief electricians were presiding over something that looked like some kind of miniature mission control, much more rocket science than railroading.

    On a desk sat a flat-panel computer screen, covered with numbers and graph patterns and colored lines. In front of the computer sat 10 whirring metal boxes slightly larger than refrigerators, a ping-pong ball levitating mysteriously in an updraft of air above one of them.

    At the desk sat Robert W. Lobenstein -- Loby to his friends -- with a radio in his hand and a look of excitement on his face that only someone with an engineering degree can have.

    "Five . . . four . . . three . . . two . . . one," he called into his radio. "Full acceleration southbound!"

    Despite the distant roar, Mr. Lobenstein, the general superintendent of power operations for the subway, was not launching a shuttle. He was launching a train -- one of the brand-new models starting to appear now on the L line -- along a 10,000-foot test track just outside the barn.

    The train and the big metal boxes inside the barn were conspiring to do something that had never been done regularly in the subway. Since the subway first opened, trains have had a one-way relationship with the third rail: they take power from it. (During peak demand, in fact, subways and commuter trains use 600 million watts, enough energy to supply all the homes in Birmingham, Ala.)

    But now, harnessing the mass and momentum of the new train cars, the subway's electricians are trying to strike up a better relationship between train and rail. In theory, it works like this: A moving train consumes power. When it stops, however, it can use its motor as a generator and pump some of that power back into the third rail, to be consumed by other trains around it.

    The only problem is that when the power goes back into the rail, it is quickly eaten up by the resistance of the metal. So if other trains are not close by, to scoop up the power, the extra electricity dissipates like so many ripples in a pool.

    Last summer, transit electricians and officials at the New York Power Authority, which supplies the third-rail, figured out a way to fix that. It was not a radically new idea, nor did it employ especially new technology. But finding anything to fix a problem in a place as huge as the subway is always a big job.

    The solution: a battery.

    A very, very big battery. Or, to be more accurate, 10 of them, each weighing as much as a Volkswagen Bug and together able to store up to a million watts of power.

    A chemical battery, even the biggest around, could not handle this job. So the electricians harnessed a different kind, called a flywheel, which takes electrical energy and converts it to mechanical energy, using a rotating magnetic mass that spins up to 36,000 revolutions per minute.

    For the last several weeks, through countless countdowns and test runs, the flywheels have been working like sponges, successfully absorbing the extra energy put out by a braking train. Or, as Robert Schmitt, another transit electrical official, put it, excitedly: "They're sitting here, saying: `Give it to me! Give it to me! Give it to me!' "

    And after taking, they have also been giving -- sensing that a train is accelerating and releasing the extra power to help it speed up.

    Now, instead of a ragged green line on the computer screen, showing power dips and spikes, the lines have begun to smoothe out nicely. This makes electricians very happy.

    Should the batteries be expanded to the whole subway system, they could also make accountants very happy, saving up to $20 million a year in electricity costs.

    Before the visit ended the other day, a final question had to be asked: What is the purpose of the floating ping-pong ball?

    "Oh, that?" Mr. Lobenstein smiled like a child. "That's just to amuse us. Sometimes, we got bored."

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  4. Honda Insight by qurob · · Score: 2, Informative



    regenerative braking, not sure what technologies are used by it.

  5. There already is a flywheel in your car... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you drive a car with a manual transmission the flywheel is connected directly to crankshaft at the engine. The clutch then rubs up against the flywheel to transfer power through the transmission to the wheels.

  6. Re:Regenerative braking by mosch · · Score: 3, Informative

    They are using regenerative braking. That's what the whole article is about, a new application of regenerative braking in a place that people don't usually associate with relatively new technologies.

  7. Re:Best quote from the article by fatbastard10101 · · Score: 2, Informative
    I liked this one more, concerning putting the excess joules right back into the rail:

    "The only problem is that when the power goes back into the rail, it is quickly eaten up by the resistance of the metal. So if other trains are not close by, to scoop up the power, the extra electricity dissipates like so many ripples in a pool."

    If other trains are not close by? How close do they want trains to be?

    That quip about the heat in the stations is no joke. If you go to the yellow line (N/R/Q/W) stations, it is like 110 deg F down there minimum, at 2 AM! People stagger around down there panting and sweating like they're Ozzy.

  8. Where to stick your flywheel.... by Sweetums · · Score: 5, Informative
    Several posts refer to the flywheel as being on the train. I don't think it explicitly says in the article, but I think it's clear that they are talking about stationary equipment in the stations, not flywheels on the trains. Lots of advantages to this.

    The modifications to the trains are actually significant to support this, but it's about how the braking systems work and how the motor controllers work on the trains. There are a class of motor controllers that are not really compatible with regenerative braking, and they are fairly commonly used since they are cheaper than the others. The conversion to regenerative braking may involve replacing a fair bit of gear on the rolling stock. They were considering this kind of thing in San Diego, which is where I picked up lots of this trivia.

    Many rail systems and streetcar systems have regenerative braking, but frequently they don't store the energy. What they do is have one unit braking while another is accellerating, so the excess power is in effect transferred via the wire to the other vehicle. Think of cable car systems where the guy at the top of the hill counterbalances the one at the bottom. This is hard to make work though, the timing issues being what they are.

    My $.02

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    1. Re:Where to stick your flywheel.... by gspeare · · Score: 2, Informative

      I wouldn't say the article does an exceptional job of describing where the flywheels are placed, but a closed read does imply very strongly that they are outside.

      Besides, 10 batteries, each the weight of a Volkswagen, might have some negative impact on the performance characteristics and power usage of your average subway train.

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  10. Wow, 36,000 is a lot of RPM... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Informative

    and a million watts is a lot of power.

    Let's hope those flywheels are enclosed in something pretty solid.

    Storing that much energy is one thing. Accidentally releasing it is another. When I was a student at MIT there was a permanent display in a glass case in the hallway of the biology department showing a centrifuge rotor that exploded, just to remind everyone of what happens when something spins too fast.

    Let's also hope there's something to muffle that 600 Hz whine (which is close to the peak of human hearing sensitivity).

    And I thought the wheels on Boston's Green Line screeching when going around sharp turns was bad...

    1. Re:Wow, 36,000 is a lot of RPM... by aeoo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually, modern flywheels are almost never solid. They are usually made from rings, or fiber. There is a Russian scientist named Gulia who invented and patented (to my knowledge) a way to wind fiber so that both ends end up inside the flywheel. This is critical because at high RPM a loose end can undo the entire flywheel. Using kevlar and other fiber like that allows you to have flywheels that can withstand incredible forces. In general, flywheels are far more efficient than any battery in terms of energy storage, and how fast they can store and release energy. Also, modern flywheels can fly on a magnetic suspension and in vacuum as well. Flywheels, in my opinion, are simply the best way to store energy. When fiber flywheel explodes, it does so one thread at a time. They are relatively safe and the only thing they generate when they explode is heat.

    2. Re:Wow, 36,000 is a lot of RPM... by rabtech · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work with pro audio, and let me clue you in on the range of human hearing...

      We can hear as low as 20hz and as high as 20,000hz (20k). However, most people perceive stuff above 16k as some sort of noise, but they can't really make it out or get a directional location on it.

      The human voice has a smaller range... around 85hz for a really good male bass singer up to 1.1k for a really good female soprano.

      That's not the whole of it though, because you get into things about even/odd harmonics, plus the fact that one octave around 20hz doesn't take many additional cycles to hit the next octave, but it takes thousands of cycles around 20k to jump an octave.

      Human hearing isn't linear by any means. We are nearly deaf at the lower end of the scale; that's why we often "feel" bass -- not because when its loud enough to hear it is also felt, but more like to get enough energy so that our ears can even hear it you have to put out a LOT of power. But I digress...

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    3. Re:Wow, 36,000 is a lot of RPM... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The neat thing about composite flywheels is that, if they fail, they tend to explode into alot of small fagments, which are much easier to contain then metal flywheels. When a metal flywheel fails, it typically comes apart into 3 large chunks.

      And, IIRC, composite flywheels are almost never built using filament winding. Thsi would put the fibers mostly tangential, and just matrix supporting the highest stress radial directions.

      Flywheels failures tend initiate in tension near the hub, not at the rim. That's why optimal flywheel radius profiles are thicker in the middle & taper toward the edges, and why a filament-wound flywheel probably wouldn't work very well.

      I did some research on this back in grad school. The best arrangement for a laminated composite flywheel was to have alternating +-theta plys, with theta slowly increasing through the thickness (and symmetric about the center plane). Or use a woven pre-preg, and again rotate it through the thickness.

  11. Re:Regenerative braking by n9hmg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why not just use regenerative braking
    I'm usually a little kinder than this, but you plainly don't know what regenerative braking actually is. It's a lot more than just a feature of your R/C car. The story is all about regenerative braking. Rather than using friction to convert kinetic energy to heat and getting rid of it, using the motor to convert it back to electrical energy. The flywheels are just the most efficient place to hold on to that energy until it's needed again. It's more efficient to store it near where it's generated, since a stopping train is likely to start again, from the place where it stopped, than to send it all along the system on the rail, where it will mostly be wasted in heating the third rail before it reaches a useful load.
    The thing i found surprising about this story was learning that they weren't already doing something like this.

  12. More information here by brandonsr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right here A very good article (with illustrations) that tells how flywheels work and store energy. Pretty neat stuff.

  13. Exploded centrifuge images by uberstool · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://web.mit.edu/charliew/www/centrifuge.html

  14. Re:Arthur C. Clarke by matthewn · · Score: 2, Informative

    Heinlein's "The Roads Must Roll" (1940) predates Clarke's Against the Fall of Night (1953). You can read the Heinlein tale in The Past Through Tomorrow. It tells the story of what happens when the blue-collar workers who run and maintain the moving-sidewalk "roads" go on strike. (Hint: Mayhem.)

  15. Re:Regenerative braking by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Informative
    clue me in please... why is the resistance such a problem, if the third rail is how they are powering the trains in the first place? Why does the braking energy from the trains get wasted, but the energy from the systems that are powering the third rail does not?

    IAAEE, so I'll hazard a guess. They say in the article that the 3rd rail uses 650V DC. For power distribution, this is a relatively low voltage. To minimize resistance losses, power is typically distributed at thousands of volts. To be able to easily convert voltages, you need AC, not DC so you can run it through a transformer.

    I'll bet that they have high-voltage AC power distribution throughout the system, and they step it down to 650 V and rectify to DC it at frequent intervals along the tracks. The distance the power needs to run at low voltage along a high-resistance steel rail would never be very long, so losses are minimal. (I assume they use DC becuase it's easier to design train motors for DC, or something like that.)

    The AC -> DC rectification is not reversible, however, so there would be no way for power generated by a train to get back into the main distribution grid, and the average distance the 650V DC would have to flow throught the 3rd rail to the next train would be too far to be economical.

    (Of course, I could be wrong about all of this, since I don't really know anything about their system.)

  16. Re:Regenerative braking by candover · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's how the system works, yes. The MTA has 214 substations around the city, which are fed something between 11-27 kV AC, transformed to 400 V AC, and rectified to 600 V DC.

    It's only within the last ten years that they finally retired all of the old pre-solid-state rotary converters in the system - running power backwards through them would have actually worked. :)

    The new cars actually have AC motors - the DC third rail powers a battery on board, I'm not sure exactly what the AC conversion tech is. There's still a couple thousand DC-motored cars riding the rails, so I'm not expecting to see the system switch over to AC distribution....

  17. Re:Regenerative braking by Phil+Karn · · Score: 2, Informative
    AC motors are starting to displace DC in electric traction, thanks to modern power semiconductors that can replace mechanical commutators.

    Think of it this way: every motor is really an AC motor. The so-called "DC motor" is really an AC motor that performs an internal DC->AC conversion, usually mechanically. So the change is not from DC to AC, but from mechanical to solid-state DC->AC conversion.

    My EV1 electric car uses a 3-phase AC induction motor driven by a variable frequency, variable voltage inverter that uses IGBTs (insulated gate bipolar transistors), a hybrid between bipolar transistors and MOSFETs. On routine driving around San Diego, regeneration gives me back maybe 10-20% of the energy I move from the batteries to the car. It's not a large percentage, but every little bit helps, and it's not hard to do.