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Web Services Making Software Coexist?
jgeelan writes "Despite the competitive uproar, coexistence of J2EE and .NET will be the norm and most sophisticated IT organizations will deploy on both development platforms. Who says so? No less an authority than the CTO of J2EE powerhouse BEA Systems, Scott Dietzen, writing in this month's Web Services Journal.
Dietzen acknowledges that an ongoing conflict is in progress between Java and C# and between J2EE and the .NET server family and is refeshingly honest, admitting that "there is some truth to the 'write once, test everywhere' complaint against Java."
His overall conclusion: ".NET is finding a sweet spot for programmed user interfaces, while J2EE continues to enjoy its sweet spot for server-side applications."
Unusual honesty by someone so highly placed. Isn't this just what the software industry needs more of, in these increasingly interoperable times?"
Ugh... I'm sick of these industry horses wearing blinders. There are more than two choices, of course. When .NET and J2EE developers finally get sick of watching their compilers sing and dance, I'll still be here adding new features to my Python applications at run time in a much better language. :)
On a single platform, perhaps. It's true enough that early editions of Java's Swing weren't the swiftest UIs on the block, Swing has to contend with being platform independant. How well does a
The UI for most server-side applications is probably HTML, anyway, so I'm not sure what his point was.
That is the point. C#, ASP.NET and VS.NET are the perfect combination if you want to make HTML based UIs. You just drag a button onto a webpage, double click and write the event handling code in C#. The C# is compiled into a server side component along with some ASPX pages. The UI is completely HTML based and cross platform. The HTML generated can be transformed to work on all types of browsers (utilising the features of each). Anything that can't be done client side is done on the server side.
You pretty much write HTMl pages the same way you would write a standard GUI application and
How many months do you have to have worked with them to be considered old dog on the development team?
18? It's not like it just came out yesterday, the beta has been available for at least a year and a half. Wrox put out books on programming with the beta languages and the beta framework.
Call me a cynical deconstructionist, but I think it's more important to realize what BEA is trying to do with comments like this.
.Net. Whether or not you you like it versus J2EE, Microsoft has the deep pockets to basically buy a market position for .Net over the next five years. BEA is king of the hill today, in a Java dominated market. As .Net grows, there will be a new niche opening. That might be filled by Microsoft itself, but it will be just as attractive for a more enterprise-oriented new company to fill if BEA doesn't.
Clearly, BEA needs to grow over the next decade, and has to be very careful about the inevitable market power that Microsoft will have with
BEA isn't stupid. It realizes it has to be ready as a potential Microsoft partner, or it risks limiting its dominant position in the application servers and related software market to the Java side of the world. That's why it's being so "honest" about things like this.
I'm afraid I don't follow you. Eclipse is an IDE. Like JBuilder or NetBeans, not an application server. Sure, you could build web applications from scratch or using a more primitive product using Eclipse or any other IDE or editor, but Eclipse doesn't replace Weblogic Server any more than emacs.
Maybe the support people don't follow you either, because you don't have a handle on what you're talking about? Maybe it seems overpriced because you're buying a web app server to do the job of an editor? Perhaps I'm being too harsh, but just some ideas.
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Having standard ways to do remote communication is good, but all the bloated hype from all the various camps does a lot of dis-service. As far as I'm concerned, all the big tech companies are guilty of it, so it's not like MS or Sun are worse than others. The real benefit for businesses with technologies like C#, Java, .NET and web services is standard protocols and frameworks. The chances of a company finding skilled replacement when staff leave is more likely than a non-standard proprietary system. For me, the hassle of marketoid gibberish is worth it to move towards more standard and flexible ways of developing software.
LOL :)
.NET is a framework which IS ready for primetime, because it offers all the functionality needed to build mission critical applications which have to serve thousands of users.
.NET falls short when it comes to delivering what's promised.
.NET software, I know what I'm talking about.
And why's that? WSDL isn't MS proprietry language, it's a standard defined by many companies, and should be used with UDDI, currently in v2.0.
So, f00zbll, show me the beef where
ps: I develop a lot of
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
How does Microsoft (or anybody else) expect major corporations to run mission-critical stuff over lines provided by ISPs who routinely oversubscribe their boxes and undersubscribe their bandwidth?
I can't reliably get my Usenet newsfeed without "Connection unexpectedly closed by server" messages.
Anybody think you can run General Motors or any bank on that basis? Anybody think any ASP isn't just going to be an ISP with a new acronym?
In a way, until the phone companies get us that infinite bandwidth they were promising a couple years ago, this is good because it will probably kill Microsoft when it becomes apparent that none of this will work for reasons entirely outside the issue of which programming language or object broker is used.
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Hmm CTOs making blathering comments..so when is he going to get fired?
.NET or J2EE using oipen source....With the world ecomony declining for the next 4 years in resposne to USA's declining economy to election year ...Worl midlevle companies which encompass 90% of world GNP do not have themony to deploy boht webservices platforms from high priced vendors..
But seriously, the third choice is either
Thus you will see a marked increase in opensource deployment of boht webservices platforms rather than vendor offerings..
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But, some of us actually want to use features not in all browsers. I don't really want to have to code separate versions of every page for Netscape 1.0 and for Lynx. You see, the world has changed since 1994. Really. It has.
Anyone who's done web pages for real has had to deal with browser compatibility. The ASP.NET approach of emitting different HTML for different browsers makes this a LOT less of a pain.