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Talk To a European Patent Examiner

While the US Patent and Trade Office sparks more discussion on Slashdot, the European Patent Office and the patent examiners who work there do much the same job as their US counterparts, although they work under a different set of laws and regulations. John Savage is a European patent examiner, and he has kindly consented to answer questions from Slashdot readers about the EU patent process. Usual rules apply: One question per post, we send 10 of the highest-moderated questions to John about 24 hours after this post appears, and run his answers verbatim when we get them back.

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  1. Obvious question by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What is being done to stop the abuses of the patent system we see in the US ? (I'm particularly thinking of the recent so-called "JPEG" fiasco).

    Or perhaps you do not view them as unreasonable, but I myself see this kind of patenting of existing things plus litigating against large corporations as an ethically bankrupt "revenue stream".

    graspee

  2. question: what is the US doing wrong? by krog · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Doubtless you are aware of the broad problems and miadventures of the USPTO. In your opinion, what are the USPTO doing wrong?

  3. criteria for "standards" by Lxy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With the recent scuffle over JPEG licensing, the issue has come up about patents that were not actively enforced until they became industry standards. If I create a new widget design, let it be copied until all homes on the continent have my widget, then decide to enforce my patent and take the 300,000 or so manufacturers to court, do I have a right to enforce my patent or does it get dismissed?

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  4. Prior Art by Codex+The+Sloth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What resources do you use looking for prior art and how exhaustive is it? How does the prior art help you determine obviousness?

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  5. Fine Grained Detail Vs Open Endedness by haplo21112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have always thought that the solution to alot of the patent problems we are seeing lies in the details. Alot of Patents that get granted seem very open ended. "A process for doing X with Y", but they many times seem to lack detail and are very openended in how they can be viewed. It seems to me that the public would be better served
    if Patents were granted on ver specific fine grained processes. "Specific Process for doing X with Y by using Z in combination with A, B, C, to achive K..." Would you agree? Why or why not?

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  6. World Trade by BlueFall · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you feel pressure from the US and other countries to approve software patents? I know many corporations will withhold business from countries that don't have "support" for this sort of thing, so is there a big national-level economic incentive in software patents?

  7. A simple question: by eNonymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the major shortcomings of the USPTO seems to be that there are far too many patent applications for the number of people processing them; thus patents on stupid things, obvious things, and even long time standard industry practice things slip through frequently.

    Do you believe that your organization has enough employees to adequately review all patent applications? This includes all of the tasks that you're presumably charged with: examining the patent's relevance to its field, searching for prior art, etc. We don't hear much brou-ha-ha with regards to the European patent system, so presumably you folks are doing something right. I'm curious as to whether "a ton of staff" is the key.

  8. Software patents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of the most worrying trends is the development of software patents which (unfortunately) especially the UK is pushing very hard for (yup, that's why the UK directive to 'consider Open Source alongsize proprietary solutions' is not as valuable as it seems). Do you see any alternatives to the present yes/no binary answer?

  9. Honoring U.S. drug company trade patents. by tcd004 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The EU, Africa and Russia have all threatened to bypass U.S. drug company patents on drugs used to combat H.I.V. in order to reduce the costs of distribution to the people who need them.

    Could you ever see the same measures taken in terms of technology to help bridge the digital divide?

    Thanks!

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  10. I.P. Patents by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I understand that businesses are supposed to perform a check for previous work, but that is often not done, leaving that particular search up to the patent office or the legal system when the patent is eventually overturned. This is my primary complaint against technical patants: they are often granted even though prior work exists or they are obvious to others in the field.

    With the millions of technical papers, conference proceedings, theses, dissertations, textbooks, previous patents, and other publications, how does the patent office verify that technical content is acutally patentable (novel and non-obvious) and owned by the submitter? Further, is there a way that the technical communities could assist in preventing these troublesome patents?

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  11. Too bad... by Russ+Steffen · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's too bad we can'r interview a US patent official. My first question then would be "Does it hurt to have your head that far up your ass?".

  12. Patent defence by brejc8 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a research student from the UK. I am currently researching a relatively new area in computing. My research is novel and my own work. A company with an "aggressive patent program" (Quote from their website) have placed several broad patents across my research area.

    They basicly can stop me from using my research and take all my work from my posession.
    My University does not stand up to any accusations. They do not have lawyers and any research is not worth a lawsuit even if I have strong evidence that my work was independant from their and only based on prior art.

    My question is "Is there any way I can question their patents several years after they were accepted without involving large sums of money or my university?"

  13. Pressure from big business by grundie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Do you ever get put under pressure (e.g. lobbying, words with MP's etc) by big business to grant a patent, or are you just left to get on with it without any pressure being put on you?

  14. we're sitting around a campfire... by Lord+Omlette · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now tell us about the scariest, most unbelievable patent application you've ever seen.

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  15. What is the basic philosophy behind EU patent law? by MosesJones · · Score: 5, Interesting


    The US system is based on the power of courts to arbitrate on ownership and validity after the fact. What would you describe as the basic theory behind the EU approach.

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  16. Current patents inhibit innovation by Alain+Williams · · Score: 5, Interesting
    A recent article in new scientist contends that DNA patents "inhibit innovation and development" and reports that the Nuffield Council on Bioethics (NCB), "says that too many patents are of doubtful validity because they are being issued for genetic discoveries that are not adequately inventive."

    It seems to me that patents that are issued in the area of computer science are often of similar doubtful validity.

    I thought that the purpose of a patent was to encourage innovation and technological advance, whereas what is happening now is quite the reverse.

    Would rate of progress in genetics and computing slow if patents were abolished in these fields, copyright provides sufficient protection for the few years until the technology is overtaken by something newer and better.

  17. Incentives for striking down bad patents by Nemesys · · Score: 5, Interesting
    One problem with the patent system is that no single company or entity may have sufficient economic incentive for fighting the court case to have a patent which should never have been granted thrown out. Does your Office have any ideas about how to fix this problem? The whole economy benefits, but only a small number of actors currently bear the costs.

    I guess you wouldn't support compensating those who do knock down bad patents out of the Patent Office Employees Pension Fund? :)

  18. Coping with new EU states? by wackybrit · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most Americans probably won't understand what this is about, but it's worth asking anyway..

    With new states set to join the EU, and perhaps even more joining in the future, how will the patent office deal with this?

    For example, a company in Romania could have a national patent on, say, a form of compression. A company in the EU may also hold a similar patent.

    When Romania joins the EU what happens to harmonize the patent law across the EU? Does the EU patent immediately get preferential treatment? Or does the older patent of the two get the final EU patent?

    If this is the case, could a company in a country currently outside the EU get broad patents for a whole bunch of areas, and then claim licencing fees when they join the EU and have their patents validated?

    Also, what happens to patents currently held in multiple countries already in the EU? Does the EU take precedence, or do the countries have to fight it out? For example, people in Sweden and the UK might both have patents on the same thing!

  19. Ignoring USPTO by heikkile · · Score: 5, Insightful
    As you must know by now, the USPTO has got itself a really bad name here, and (imho) rightly so. Yet I see no end to their silliness (method for amusing cats with a laser, one-click shopping, wild plants, human genes...)

    Do you see any chance of the rest of the world succeding in forcing USA to behave? For example, could we threaten to exclude USA from the international patent treaties, and stop enforcing US patents anywhere else?

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