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USA Today says "Linux waddles from obscurity"

JCallery writes "The Money section of Monday's USA Today carried a feature article entitled "Linux waddles from obscurity to the big time Momentum builds as upstart operating system proves it can compute". It carries a discussion of time and monetary savings in business, basic Sun and Microsoft arguments against Linux, growing popularity with Wall Street, Hollywood, and government organizations, and the credibility of Linux due to alliances with other industry companies."

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  1. Microsoft FUD Parroted by Steve+B · · Score: 5, Informative
    The main flaw I found in the article was the paragraph:
    Microsoft paints Linux as a threat to intellectual property rights. Software developers who make their applications Linux-ready risk losing their proprietary products to the public domain, Microsoft warns.
    The lack of rebuttal, and use the word "warns" (which implies a notification of a real threat) rather than a more correct one such as "claims" or "asserts", gives undeserved credibility to this shibboleth.
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  2. Re:17 hours to 11 minutes!??!!?!? by Blob+Pet · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's probably true that a lot of details are being left out...nonetheless, old UNIX machines can be expensive to maintain due to proprietary hardware and service contracts.

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  3. Re:Linux is the only option. by Telastyn · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem is of course that any business large enough to have enough machines where $300 a machine is a costly amount, also likely has some "Enterprise level" crap ass software that only works with windows (Exchange, most any CRM package, most any financial package)

  4. Re:Linux is the only option. by shepd · · Score: 3, Informative

    >On the price of a new PC Windows XP adds about $100.

    That's home edition. Its so castrated, I, a home user, am entirely angered after purchasing it.

    I decided to set up a samba domain server to make my life of logging in between my laptop and my XP desktop easier. I like to keep settings between logins, and I like to keep my bookmarks between sessions. I also like a little privacy.

    Lack of Domain support in XP Home Edition makes this impossible. Removing this feature is like selling a door that cannot have a deadbolt added to it. No thanks.

    And, over here, in most shops (such as future shop) Windows XP Professional is $500. Blech!

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  5. Re:Cost of Servers... by Corrado · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why in the world did each server cost them anything? They already had 32 servers, and I am sure Linux would have ran on them, so why didn't they save the 96,000 and just use existing hardware..

    The old boxen were possibly on lease. When they stopped paying for the software/maintenance, the hardware went back as well.

    In addition, they make it sound like "Unix Hardware" is more expernsive than "Linux Hardware",

    "Enterprise Hardware" is more expensive than "Desktop Hardware". You have things like redundent power supplies, network cards, memory. Not to mention things like really big I/O busses and serious enterprise stuff that common PC hardware falls down at. This is my main argument against using MS Windows for anything "Enterprise".

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  6. Re:Linux is the only option. by swillden · · Score: 5, Informative

    And yes, you can run MS Office through Wine, or you can use OpenOffice instead, which does a damn fine job of working with MS Office files IME.

    And, at least for me, OpenOffice is a *better* tool than MS Office. It has a significant feature that MS Office lacks, which is an open, and easy to use file format. I've recently discovered that the XML files that OpenOffice reads natively are extremely easy to generate programmatically using standard XML tools. I create a lot of highly-structured documents, like legal documents and software design documents, which are a b*tch to make tight and consistent when you have to edit everything by hand.

    So, I create custom XML schemas that define tightly structured "documents" in which I only have to define each thing once, and then use XSLT to transform them into other, more "human-readable" formats. The XSLT stylesheets also "expand" them, implementing all of the structure that is useful to human readers, which means the very redundancy that is such a pain to manage manually.

    What I've discovered recently is that OpenOffice files are very easy to generate with XML/XSLT (well, and Zip, you need Zip), and they can then be saved as RTF, MS Word, etc. I'm working on some other stylesheets now that will automatically generate OpenOffice presentations from my documents as well (which are easily convertible to PowerPoint, if necessary).

    Oh, and OpenOffice is no slouch when it comes to manipulating MS Office files, either.

    However, all of this Office stuff is a red herring when it comes to the Linux/Windows debate, sine both office suites run on both platforms.

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  7. Re:Linus is still obscurity by nvainio · · Score: 2, Informative

    One missing 's' is nothing but what is "University of Finland"? There's 10 to 20 universities in Finland (depending on how you count). Linus studied in Univ. of Helsinki.

  8. Re:Linux is the only option. - real cost here by shepd · · Score: 2, Informative

    >The OEM version of XP is unlicensible and comes with no service IF you move it to another machine??

    Yup.

    Here's M$s take on it.

    BTW: You actually don't get any support either way with M$ OEM products. The all say somewhere in the manual "For support of this product, please contact your computer manufactuer". Nice, eh?

    And, last but not least, you can't transfer your OEM license to another machine. Whatever computer it goes on, it stays on. Which can really suck when it goes on a cheap computer.

    BTW: Here's Microsoft's own MSRP for Windows XP. Its actually more than $499 CDN (but maybe I'm overestimating the dollar exchange...).

    A quote from M$s EULA FAQ:

    # OEM standalone product. This form of license misuse occurs when OEM version software has been unbundled from its designated computer system and distributed as a separate, "standalone" product. As stated in Question No. 23, Microsoft's agreement with computer manufacturers prohibits them from distributing Microsoft products in this fashion, i.e., without accompanying PC hardware. Microsoft products on the retail shelf should never include a line on the front cover of the User's Guide that states, "For Distribution Only With New PC Hardware."

    And, the last word comes from M$, in this handy document:

    What is the difference between OEM product and Full-Packaged Product (FPP)?
    ANSWER. OEM products are intended to be preinstalled on hardware before the end user purchases the product. They are shrink wrapped and do not come in a box like the retail products do. Full-Packaged Product (FPP) is boxed with CD(s), manuals, and the EULA and is sold in retail stores in individual boxes. The End User License Agreements (commonly referred to as EULAs) for OEM and FPP products are slightly different. One main difference is that an OEM operating system license (such as the license for Windows) cannot be transferred from its original PC to another PC. However, the FPP version of Windows may be transferred to another PC as long as the EULA, manual and media (such as the backup CD) accompany the transfer to the other PC. Also, when a customer purchases an OEM product, the OEM license requires the OEM to provide support for the product.

    So, to sum it up, when you get an OEM windows, you get no support, you have to buy a new computer, and you cannot use the software on any other computer. Which means selling OEM licenses separate from the computer isn't a viable way to license your computer from Microsoft, since they still consider you to have broken the law.

    Isn't M$ licensing lots of fun. ;-)

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  9. Torvalds with an S by MsGeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although to be fair, Torvalds is not a standard Swedish surname. There are hundreds and hundreds of people named Torvald living in Sweden, Finland and for that matter all over the world.

    If you bothered to read "Just For Fun", Linus explains that his grandfather changed his name from Torvald to Torvalds. There is exactly one family with the surname Torvalds, and it's Linus' family.

    I suspect that somebody with knowledge of Swedish flagged "Torvalds" as a typo.

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  10. Re:No, they're not silly by Nothinman · · Score: 2, Informative

    You can do up to 64G total with PAE, sure per process you're limited to 2/2 or 3/1 split of 4G, but you didn't specify which you meant.