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Funky Robotic Hand

seldo writes "The BBC is carrying a story about a funky-looking robotic hand with the full range of 24 hand movements (NASA's best effort so far has 12, apparently). It's supposed to be for the disabled, although a spokesman for the British Council of Disabled People points out that everyday tasks are not really what the disabled need help with anymore. I just want one to play with :-)" Update: 08/08 17:58 GMT by T : You may be reminded of the DIY robot head from several months ago -- a perfect match?

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  1. ALL RIGHT! by jormurgandr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Finally, I can use both hands to browse the net! We'll just have to see how life-like skin they can create...

  2. Funky looking by sfraggle · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... but can it breakdance?

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  3. Pneumatic Muscles by Keighvin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting method of actuation: IIRC, these work in the reverse of organic muscles, in that they are capable only of pushing rather than only pulling. This introduces its own set of limitations but does act quickly to close the gap on basic cabilites engineering.

    Still not useful to those who've lost only a hand as the actuation gizmos do take up quite a bit of space, but certainly an impressive achievement.

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  4. It runs Debian! by peter · · Score: 3, Redundant

    from the web page:

    Controller:

    * Stock x86 PC running Debian GNU/Linux with RTAI real-time system.
    * Shadow's own GPL'd robot code will be shipped, permitting initial setup and evaluations. PC will have CAN interface provided.

    Hmm, I wonder how well Beowulf works with RTAI :)

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  5. These are different. by FreeLinux · · Score: 3, Informative

    The type of pneumatic muscle that you refer to use a pneumatic piston. These work differently. These muscles use a pneumatic bladder that, when inflated, cause the muscle to contract. This is the same behavior, or the same effect, as real muscles.

    My thought is that the cycling of these pneumatic muscles will probably be somewhat noisy. There would be a hissing and poping sound from them as the inflate/deflate and the control valves are operated. I suspect that by using hydraulic muscles instead would be far quieter and would probably offer the device greater strength. The immediately obvious drawback to this is that the hydraulic method would likely have slower response times than the pneumatic version.

  6. At last... by CommieLib · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can build my haptic feedback arm-wrestling simulator.

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  7. My dad's funky robotic hand by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    OK, back when I was about 8-10 years old (can't remember exactly), I got obsessed about building a robot. It simply had to be done, and I pestered my father (an electronics engineer) mercilessly about it. He tried to explain that it was just NOT a simple project, but I wouldn't listen.

    Finally, I wore him down, and "we" (meaning him, and I watched) built a robotic hand. It was actually pretty clever, considering the primitiveness of it. The thumb, index finger and middle fingers were completed before I FINALLY lost interest and saw that it wasn't as easy as I thought.

    He basically used some steel pipe that he filed into joints, and used springs to return the fingers to the outstretched position. A cable running through the pipe connected to the end of the finger tips caused them to contract.

    Unfortunately, the middle finger broke off at one point, and has been lost. For the first time on the web, here are some pictures. It was made a little under 30 years ago or so. I should have taken a picture of the fingers contracted, but I didn't think of it until now. Maybe I'll go back and add one. :)

    My father died about 10 years ago, but this is one my most treasured possessions. It's a testament to the fact that he seldom blew me off when I was interested in something, and did his best to help me (and I probably deserved to be blown off for this request!)

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  8. Human assistance by Demon-Xanth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Disabled people are quite clear that we need adequate support and personal assistance which is flexible.

    "This is not only to do the basic tasks, but also to do other, more sophisticated tasks, which are essential to our well being, such as getting out of the house, meeting new people and having genuine control over our daily living."

    The problem with this quote is basically it's saying "Disabled people need slaves". Last I checked there's not a large pool of reliable, trustworthy people that want to become slaves. My grandpa has gone excessively senile and my grandma has to do everything for him. Now, I love my grandpa, but I'd never be able to stand having to be on call 24/7/52 whenever he needed anything. What these "gadgets" ARE good for is working towards the next best thing: independance. Being able to do everything you want to do under your own initiative instead of having someone else do it. Leaving the house and meeting friends when you want to, and not having to convince, or order, someone else to.

    Lets face it, you can't manufacture human slaves. At least not in the US :)

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  9. Can anyone... by SkyLeach · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Translate this into plain english for those of us who never took physics?

    Strength:

    * Wrist : 1.5Nm
    * Distal : 0.5 Nm (Fingers / Thumb)
    * Proximal : 1.0 Nm (Fingers / Thumb)

    Are we talking million $ man strength here or more like tinkertoy strength?

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    1. Re:Can anyone... by func · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, say 1 Nm at the proximal end - my index finger is (pulls out digital caliper) is about 90 mm from first joint to fingertip, so that's around 1 Nm/(0.09m)= 11.1 N, or about 1.1 kg worth of force (2.5 lbs) at the fingertip, if the finger was kept straight. Not very much, in other words.

    2. Re:Can anyone... by -=Izzy=- · · Score: 3, Informative

      Certainly, these are measurements of torque. Given that we can convert imperial to english.
      Newton metres (Nm) x 8.85 = Pounds-force inches (Ibf in; lb in)

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      Wrist: 13.275 pound/inches
      Distal: 4.425 pound/inches
      Proximal: 8.85 pound/inches
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  10. Unfortunate... by Restil · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's unfortunate that disabled people are constantly used as a reason for inventing new gadgets

    Its also unfortunate that the cold war was indirectly responsible for putting men on the moon.

    Its unfortunate that some of the initial research into nuclear power plants was for the development of the atomic bomb.

    Its unfortunate that people die to establish and protect freedom.

    Many of the luxuries we take for granted today were initially created to serve some desparate need. That humanity as a whole benefits from the results of efforts to relieve the suffering of a few, should not be taken to mean that those efforts or results are "unfortunate". Its called progress. Its motivation. Its all about the itch that needs to be scratched.

    And I seriously doubt those who are disabled consider those efforts to be "unfortunate" in any way.

    -Restil

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  11. Not that funky... by cr0sh · · Score: 3, Interesting
    When I think funky, I think "non-anthromorphic" - this definitely doesn't fit that description, though it does seem to be a cool (if a bit pricy) item (especially since there is a site describing how to build those same actuators cheaply).

    No, when I think "funky robot hand" - I always think of that extremely dextrous, three-fingered robot hand that was shown way back in the 1980's on such shows like "That's Incredible" and "Beyond 2000" - I can't find any pictures online of it, though I think it was one of the incarnations of the Utah/MIT Dextrous Hand Master system (I found plenty on the system, but they don't have the same hand I remember). One thing I remember that was most funky about the hand was that the fingers could flex inward and outward, to hold and manipulate large ring type pieces. Each finger had base abduction, and multiple flexing movement - it seemed to be driven by steppers with flexible cables. They had a demo (which seemed staged, and the hand without feedback sensors at the time) showing it handling and manipulating various items - very impressive, fluid, and beautiful to watch in action.

    Does anyone here know of what I am talking about - and can anyone find images? I admit I didn't do a major exhaustive Google search - only delved a few pages in the results...

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  12. Emulating biology? Why? by sheetsda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Supposing that one of my hands was missing one of these might be a nice thing to have for everyday applications, but why are we limiting ourselves to emulating biology? why not take our bodies in a drastically different direction? All those nerve endings that used to control the dexterous muscles in a hand could be used for more than just controling a new hand, given a little practise. Back to supposing my hand was missing, I spend a great deal of time typing every day, I'm sure there are more than enough nerve signals flowing through my wrists to create every character on a standard keyboard, but there would need to be an intermediate interpretation/conversion device. With such a device I could keep one hand on the mouse while typing at full speed. Disablity becomes advantage.

  13. Re: Again... by SkyLeach · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thanks for translating it into Newtonian english for me, but the second part of my question still goes unanswered.

    Assuming unlimited strength at the elbow how much (in jym-room barbell english) can this arm lift and swing?

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