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UK Prepares Own Version of the DMCA

philkerr writes "I've just been informed by the UK Patent Office, below, that the EUCD (European Union Copyright Directive, the equivalent EU legislation to the DMCA) consultation paper has been released. It's important that we give feedback to the UK government that this legislation will have a chilling effect on the software industry." NTK has a few choice words on the subject as well. We've done several articles on the EUCD before, and Alan Cox has been campaigning against it, but it appears that the fix is in: Europe is going to get DMCA-like laws implemented in each nation by the end of 2002.

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  1. Did anyone here read "1984"? by wackybrit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember that in 1984, the main character believed that a true revolution against an evil government could not be started by a small gang of intellectuals, but that it would have to be the 'dumb masses' (known as the 'proles') who could summon the power to do it?

    To be honest, I can't see the point in fighting this. It's a bad way to go, sure, but a fistful of academics and computer scientists isn't going to sway the supposed 'ideals' of modern government. Keeping track of citizens is seen to be a good thing, and the only way we can stop governments bringing in draconian laws like these is to get millions of *common people* to rebel against it.

    This isn't going to happen. I've had discussions with people, and asked them what they thought about losing their privacy, and they generally believe that if you're doing nothing wrong, then who cares?

    The proles are useless, and they are not going to help in this fight. Stupid laws like the DMCA, IR35, RIP, terrorist Acts, will continue to pass through while governments preach that they'll improve your security.

    Sure, they might improve security, but for every bit of assured security you gain, you lose a bit of assured freedom too.

  2. This is above and beyond reasonable... by A+Rabid+Tibetan+Yak · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If you try and circumvent any the copy protection (or, in the case of computer programs, explain how to do so to anyone else), you can be punished as much as if you were pirating the data yourself... Heck, if you even try to remove any of the tracking spyware, you'll be in equal amounts of trouble.
    While the DMCA-like first provision is as bad as the U.S. law, what the heck give content producers the enforceable legal right to spy on me 24/7?

    Bear in mind that - just like RIP - our poor legislators are hurrying this through by Christmas. They'll consult, but be done by October 31. To save time, they won't listen to any complaints about the original EUCD document. And the raft of provisions that they've chosen to omit (like the generous but eminently ignorable list of fair use rights in the original directive) aren't up for discussion either.
    That's nice. We've let countries get into a game of one-upsmanship over the strictness of their fair-use-prevention laws, and they're not even going to let their citizens have a say in the process. What do we do when we wake up in 2003 and find it's 1984?
  3. Re:Name a country, any country... by jaaron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Definitely a tempting thought...

    However, why should *we* be the ones to move out? Huh? Both the US and the UK are (supposed to be) democratic nations. Isn't that the point of establishing a democracy in the first place? So that we don't have to leave, but instead can change the nation and government to better suit the people?

    Maybe I'm too idealistic, but it seems to me that too many have given up on democracy really working (including myself often). The real test is that countries can change. That has happened in the past, if it can no longer happen, I think the fault lies more with the citizens than with the elected officials.

    Just my $0.02

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    Who said Freedom was Fair?
  4. Re:Name a country, any country... by Gossy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You assume that because we're both meant to be democracies, that the general public knows what is good and right, and that they will vote accordingly.

    I don't think that the general public are really going to take much notice about this - perhaps it seems elitist, it probably is - but I doubt they'd realise the implications or care in the slightest.

  5. We have *direct* democracy here in switzerland by Tomji · · Score: 1, Insightful

    anything like this wont pass here.

    The makers of CloneCD already moved their office from germany over here. I'd guess other will follow sooner or later

    I'd gladly have us join the Euro currency but to hell with any political system were you have the choice between buttmonger1 and 2 and it is called democracy

  6. Re:Gee, I thought the US was ruining the Internet by geeklawyer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Your point is valid as far as it goes: the UK & Europe have plenty of companies, lawyers & politicans who are as bad as those in the US. However the UK was legally compelled to implement this law as a result of European union directive 2001/29/EC. In turn the Directive had to be implemented because of the WIPO Copyright Treaty. Who was responsible for the WIPO Copyright Treaty?
    Yes you guessed - it was created as a result of ultra heavy lobbying and smoozing by the US IP rights holders groups: *IAA etc. So he is right, ultimately it is US corporate interests aided by for-rent US politicians that are responsible.

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    -he who laughs last, is a bit slow.
    journal
  7. Re:Name a country, any country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The sad thing is that our system of democracy is a failure and was doomed from the very beginning. Democracy + capitalism is unworkable because the real power always lies not in the general public, but in the hands of the class of elites who control the capital. Why waste time trying to fight against the inevitable? We have reached the point of no return: the only way we will see change is when the system eventually self-implodes and is then destroyed by violent revolotion.

  8. Re:Name a country, any country... by Rohan427 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A nice $.02 it was too.

    Of course the fault lies with the citizens. To take an example from the US, only something like 35% of *registered* voters actually voted in the last major election (I can't remember the actual numbers, but I know they were much lower than 50%). How many of those are uninformed and/or believe everything they hear on TV instead of actually researching what they are voting on and who they are voting for? Maybe 50%? So, only ~17% of the registered voters in the US made informed decisions as to how are government would be run for the next 2-4 years.

    Now how many of the other 87% of the *registered* voters sit and bitch about how messed up the government is? How many of the eligible, unregistered voters in the US bitch about it? Now, does the fault lie entirely with them?

    Hell no. It's not just the responsibility of every free eligible citizen to register and vote, but it's the responsibility of those of us that are registered and informed to *educate* the rest as to the issues and promote their involvement. I for one will come down hard on ANYONE with the audacity to bitch about government and laws when they have not voted or have voted without doing their homework first. If you can't pay attention in class, do your homework, or even show up, you have no right to complain about failing.

    If a teacher doesn't teach, only lets the students hang out and play in class, and never gives a test, he has no right to complain about having uninformed students.

    For all those that have failed to do anything about these things, despite being informed about them, I say you have no right to open your mouth and complain about them, but you DO have the right to do something NOW.

    For those that still fail to pay attention and still do nothing, though you be perfectly capable, I say you deserve what's coming (whatever it may be), but I pity the rest of us all the more.

    PGA