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MS "Software Choice" Campaign: A Clever Fraud

Bruce Perens writes "Microsoft's new "Software Choice" campaign is all for your right to choose... as long as you choose Microsoft. It's too bad that Intel and the U.S. Government couldn't see through the rhetoric. Read the full story at The Register." Note that California will soon be considering - like Peru - a law to mandate open source software in government. The gloves are off - on both sides.

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  1. There are always choices... by Nethergoat · · Score: 4, Funny

    Such as Outlook vs. Outlook Express
    Perhaps you prefer Frontpage to Frontpage Express?
    Hmm...looks like CA is about to serve up some Lawyers via the Lawyer Express

    1. Re:There are always choices... by rmohr02 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My parents computer connects to the internet via M$N (I'm trying to get them to change), and if they want to use any POP3 email account they have to use Outlook Express to access it. Outlook (98 at least) will not work. You cannot access email from another program, which everybody else allows, and you must send all your email through them, rather than through a university account or other. They said their changes were "industry standards", so I (in separate emails) asked them which other ISPs required you to send all email through their SMTP program, which other email programs required the use of "Secure Password Authentication" (probably trademarked by M$ so that nobody else can), which other ISPs required you to use Outlook Express, and why M$ was specifically forbidding the use of a program I bought from them for email access (Outlook). I did not get a response to any of these, despite the fact that I submitted them in various different ways multiple times.

  2. Follow the money... by mellonhead · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Find out how much money Microsoft has given to California legislators, then look at how much money the Open Source Movement has given and you'll easily figure out how this vote will go.

    It'll never reach the floor for a vote.

  3. ... "closed" software adds costs, creates risk... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Interesting


    ... "closed" software adds costs and creates security risks...

    Exactly. If you work with Microsoft Windows XP every day, and you consider it thoroughly, you find that the situation is worse than people commonly say.

    If you haven't seen this article about Windows XP problems before, it may interest you. I wrote it to try to show the aggressiveness behind Windows: Windows XP shows the Direction Microsoft is Going.

    If you have seen the article before, and you view it again, reload your browser, because the article was recently updated.

    It's wonderful that government agencies are beginning the realize the liability of using a closed, proprietary, software product from a company that seems to care more about control than about making money.

  4. Money by nuggz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And think how much more money will flow into the lobbyists. I wonder if California just trys to make these laws to bring in millions for lobbying and even MORE money.

    Like legislating CO2 emissions, the automakers are dumping piles of cash into the state to fight it.

    Interesting idea, discuss making controversial laws, pull millions into the state economy.

  5. Re:Lotsa sizzle, little steak by deranged+unix+nut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is about choice.

    Locking government research into GPL is just as bad as locking it out of open standards.

    GPL fanatics act as if Microsoft is the only closed source software company in the world.

    If a government researcher creates a better code library, wouldn't you like everyone to be able to benefit? Locking this code into GPL keeps it out of most Adobe, Oracle, Intuit, Sun, Microsoft, and even Idaho Computer Services software.

    If my tax dollars pay for something, I want is shared with EVERYONE, I want all tax funded software development to be under the BSD license.

  6. Microsoft == US Goverment by MrIcee · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Unlike Intel, the U.S. Government clearly did have a choice.

    Probably not. Consider the fact that the majority of lawyers in Washington DC work for Microsoft - they have a HUGE lobby effect on our government. Combine that with their cash flow - they can pretty much buy whatever vote, or avoid whatever damages in court, they care to. We have seen this over and over again.

    In order to effectivly release microsoft's strangle hold on the industry we need to do several things:

    • Stop handing out patents for software and algorithms. This is simply BAD BAD BAD. I remember when XOR was patented by some sleazy lawyers in the late 80's. The patent was specifically for using XOR to draw anything to any display device, including display memory. The lawyers would then simply go from trade show to trade show and at every booth, they'd ask the developers *Wow, how did you make your cursor do that?*. When the developers proudly stated that they used XOR so that the drawing was nondestructive, BAM, they got slapped with a suit. The lawyers then also said "we will lesson the damages IF you turn in other companies you also know are doing this". The company I was working for at the time (Truevision) had to pony up just to use XOR in their graphic engines. (BTW, that patent is dead now jim).

      It's these kind of sleazy tactics that microsoft likes to use as well... case in point... NOW SUDDENLY they think they have a patent on portions of openGL - why? because SGI sold them certain IP rights (which is probably illegal to begin with to something that is open source).

      Patents and IP rights on software and algorithms simply don't make sense, and as we have seen over and over again, only result in someone trying to lock the industry and drain money from everyone and everycompany.

    • Push the government on two fronts... first... we need to outlaw corporate contributions to campaign parties. Think about it... if a congressman, or president elect, receives large sums from a company, you can BET they're gonna be buddies. That should be illegal because it is NOT government for the people... it is government for itself.

      Secondly... outlaw, or EXTREMELY CURTAIL lobbies. While lobbies *might* be important, they are too dangerous. There are much better ways for the government to receive information (e.g., hauling up experts in front of congressional hearings, etc). Lobbies are funded by people who DO NOT represent te rest of us. They have self-interests at heart only, and they swing deals with government that do not help the people. This includes MICROSOFT, which has a HUGE lobby effort in DC.

    • Investigate Microsofts books. With Enron / Worldcom / etal... there is no way in HELL that Microsoft is clean. Consider the fact that they have NEVER paid a dividend to ANY shareholder in their entire history (which I believe, is illegal). Consider that they time and time again use illegal practices to stiffle competition and to strongarm the industry. Let's crack those books open and let's haul BILLY GOATS to jail where he belongs. Perhaps he can teach his fellow inmates (such as Martha Stewart) how to program in Visual Basic.
    • Do NOT allow a single company (such as Microshit) to dictate government policy. ESPECIALLY on things such as what software to use and security. Who are they to say what is secure and what is not. They have been unable to provide anything secure yet, so why do we expect them to now. Likewise, why should we look to Microsoft for some stupid statement on their new *open source* policy. Again, all lies so they can control the industry and kick the rest of us out. It won't be long folks, before you will have to pony up some serious cash to Microsoft JUST to be able to write your own software and get it published. Governments should be very very afraid of any corporation that wants to control them.

      Additionally, why would ANY government (especially foreign ones) in their right mind go with Microsoft. Microsoft is a US company. If I was a foreign government I would DEFINATLY want to have control over the source code so that I could be sure that Redmond isn't reading my sensitive government email. Again... think about it folks. I'm sure the US is RIGHT BEHIND microsoft in pusing their software to other countries - why? cause Bunny Pants Bush would have his ear to classified communications planet wide. I wonder who is REALLY behind the microsoft push into other countires (I can hear the meeting right now... BILLYGOATS: Say Bushie Boy... we can let you eavesdrop on russia, brittan, afganistan, but ONLY if you look the other way, forgive us our wrongs, and help us push our standards on the rest of the world. BUNNYPANTS: Sounds good... say, watch me drive this golf ball).

    It's unfortunate, but the giants such as Microsoft have virtually ruined our industry. From their crap software to their crap policies and lies and their holy-bug-ridden-virus-prone *secure* software - it is all crap and they need to be slapped down seriously for trying to fuck with every industry and government out there.

    1. Re:Microsoft == US Goverment by MrIcee · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "Consider the fact that the majority of lawyers in Washington DC work for Microsoft..." Do you have a citation for this? Considering just how thick DC is with lawyers, I'd be very surprised if this statement were accurate. Microsoft may have many lawyers working for them, but more than the utilities, the military contractors, the pharmaceuticals, the rest of the Fortune 500 combined?

      It is hard to find the original article that outlined the specific numbers... but in searching Google I came up with this link which is pretty much what I read before, minus a few numbers. The article is a DOJ (US Department of Justice) article - and it is VERY VERY VERY good at pointing out just how corrupt and just how much control Microsoft asserts on Washington and Washington policies. I think it will at least get my point across that this is a very very corrupt company who stops at nothing to try to control other corporations and even governments.

    2. Re:Microsoft == US Goverment by jonabbey · · Score: 4, Informative
  7. Some people seem to overlook by mocm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that releasing government software under GPL doesn't prevent the authors to also release it under a different license. In much the same way that Trolltech released their software. In this way you can guaranty that the taxpayer can profit without having to pay for it twice and if a software company
    would like a different license they can pay for it.

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  8. You disagree with Microsoft. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Informative


    Microsoft says, "Microsoft does not support making functional complete backups under Windows XP."

    Would Microsoft say that if it were not true?

    The problem is not with the SID. The problem occurs because Microsoft puts all the configuration parameters in one file (called SOFTWARE) in the registry. This is a fundamental design flaw in Windows.

    The problem occurs when using backups, not with cloning onto identical machines. The problem occurs when using backups, not when making them. The backup you make may not actually be useful for restoring a working copy. That's what Microsoft "does not support". Microsoft apparently doesn't support this because they don't want people making copies and installing them on dissimilar machines.

    Several people have had trouble with this, so I suppose I have not written it well enough. I will try again, but probably not until Monday night.

  9. Re:Lotsa sizzle, little steak by ctid · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think you need to consider this more carefully, if you're keen to get the best benefits out of your tax dollars. Here's a simple example: Suppose a government funded researcher creates a new approach to collaborating over the internet (call it Collaborate). This is a good thing; you paid your taxes, the govt gave some of it to this researcher, he created a new system and everyone benefits. However, if he didn't use the GPL, you could quite simply lose your benefit. Immediately after he publishes, you and Microsoft and all others who contributed taxes get the same access to the new technology. However, suppose MS decide that they really like this technology. They want to distribute it with MS Windows, but they decide to change it slightly. So they distribute CollaboratePlus! with Windows. However, the changes they made to Collaborate are closed source. So, you can continue to use Collaborate, but everyone using Windows is going to be using the non backward-compatible CollaboratePlus! Obviously, you can buy Windows if you like, but then you've paid twice for access to the technology (you paid through your taxes, remember).


    Now contrast this with the situation if our researcher had GPLed Collaborate. Everyone who paid taxes (and everyone else as well, of course) benefits from the technology. MS can still distribute it with Windows, but if they want to "improve" it, they have to give the new version back to the people who paid for it.


    Surely the GPL is better in this situation? I don't mean this as a rhetorical quetion, I'm genuinely interested to know whether you think there's a flaw in my argument.

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  10. Re:Lotsa sizzle, little steak by Soft · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It's about choice, people, every bit as much as the Open Source camp purports to be. Locking patented technologies out of open standards means that you cannot choose the best technology for a given task because of someone's arbitrary complant about the 'freeness' of a part of it.

    You, as an individual, can always choose to use whatever product you want to, with a patented technology (provided you pay the royalties one way or another, of course). You can still interoperate with a free-software government since they use open standards. You can even try to convince your friends to use the same product as you.

    But a non-free-software government, using patented technologies for data exchange, does force everybody to use non-free software, and pay for the "better" tech, locking out free software and therefore restricting choices for everybody. Unless they buy the rights and license them for free to the whole public (not just the taxpayers of a given country), which makes that technology free for all intents and purposes anyway.

    A contrario, a free-software policy could send a message to companies: if you patent this, you can still sell it, but the government won't use it and nobody will have to. This would effectively block consumer-locking tactics. Of course it does not benefit the big companies...

    In an ideal world, one could let the government use any patented technology for internal use, but not for data exchange with the public, unless they at least provide an alternate method of access for free products. Making the distinction would require IP lawyers in every public service, which had better not happen, I guess.

  11. What if? by sean23007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Where does Microsoft go if Open Source software ultimately wins out and makes the operating system a no-cost commodity just like the web browser? Long ago, the web browser could only be had for a fee, and MS commoditized it by making it free, because they still had other products to sell. These other products were ultimately more important and more expensive, so for them it was a good choice. Linux and its open source brethren could do the exact same thing to the operating system, and Microsoft really doesn't have anything else that is more expensive or more important than their OS. Office uses Windows function calls that aren't available to anyone else, and if they wanted to port it to Linux, they would be forced to reveal a considerable amount of their precious intellectual property that they seem so convinced should be secret.

    Because of this, Microsoft would be rather reluctant to port their Office software to a platform like Linux. But this hurts them more than it hurts anyone else. Programs like OpenOffice and StarOffice are maturing, and are approaching the professional quality of the incumbent MS Office. And, in the case of OpenOffice, it is free to use and the source is available to modify. OpenOffice will make the office suite a free commodity, just as Linux will make the operating system a free commodity, just as Internet Explorer made the web browser a free commodity (for the masses).

    Once Microsoft's main products have been made free commodities, what has been left for Microsoft? Do they continue trying to sell expensive bloatware that has been commoditized by superior products? Do they seek legislation to protect their monopoly from the same government that is failing to punish them for said monopoly? Or do they go the way of IBM, go quiet for a few years, and then come back as a support company? In the recent past they have been doing the first option, but it appears that time is running out on that. They are now, evidently, attempting to do the second option. This is foolish, however, because this is America, land of free markets, and the people really won't take well to being forced to purchase anything. Ultimately, and probably in the relatively near future, Microsoft will be forced to move over to the support side of the business. They will not go out of business, but they will never again see the infinite billions they currently enjoy.

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  12. Re:Bruce wrote this?! by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 5, Informative
    When you are the dad of a two-year-old, a lot of writing gets done at 4 A.M. when kid and mom don't need your attention. So, it's not polished prose. This one was also bit awkward because the Peruvian bill calls for Free Software, not Open Source.

    Bruce

  13. Re:Editors? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I submitted the link, and I wrote the story on the register. The purpose of the link is to get you to read the story. I didn't feel that a capsule summary would be appropriate for Slashdot, so many people don't click through and read the article when they are given a capsule summary, and the quality of the subsequent discussion suffers.

    Bruce

  14. No need by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft doesn't like to make bad investments and the California government is already, apparently, owned by Oracle.

  15. good points all around by Dr.+Awktagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But there is something that Microsoft says that always bothers me.

    Many, including Microsoft, state that "choice" for the producers of software should include a choice between licenses like Free Software and "Microsoft EULA Software". But I find this hard to swallow especially in this context. Free Software and MS-type software are not equivalent choices the way a blue car and a red car are equivalent choices. The MS-type software can potentially give the copyright holder great powers over your computer, your software, your information, and you personally (I almost downloaded MoneyDance the other day, until I noticed the "Arbitrarion clause" where I'd theoretically waive my right to a jury trial. No thanks!). GPL-type software does no such things.

    And of course corporate copyright holders will choose the most restrictive licenses, most beneficial to them. Normally this isn't a big problem, because you can avoid the software completely like I did with MoneyDance. For a government "of the people, for the people", however, the government should NOT support any software that limits user's rights beyond copyright law, and should definitely consider granting additional rights. The government should also not implicitly support the "unsigned contract" fallacy of licenses.

    Going back to the MoneyDance/arbitration example, let's pretend that you have to buy MoneyDance in order to file your taxes with the government because they won the bid. Now we have the strange situation where the government is basically forcing people to waive some of their constitutionally-granted rights in order to fulfill a constitutionally-authorized responsibility. Not good!

    A quote:

    Public entities should procure the software that best meets their needs and should avoid any categorical preferences for open source software, commercial software, free software, or other software development models.

    Microsoft is trying to force the idea that all licenses are equivalant. In fact they call Free Software a "development model". Something that's only important before the software is handed over to the user. But we know better. Licenses like Microsoft's that attempt to limit use of the software is definitely more than a development model. They affect you every time you start the software (if you assume the license is binding, which you pretty much have to do unless you have a lot of money and lawyers).

    The government should choose a license category, just as they can specify any other aspects of the software. And Microsoft could deliver GPL software just as easily as they could deliver MS-EULA software.

    Another quote:

    Maintain a choice of strong intellectual property protections.

    Since the copyright, etc., laws are the same for everybody, what Microsoft is saying by "choice of protections" is "choice of licenses".

    Bruce didn't disagree with the principle, but I think we have to be careful. By definition, "intellectual property protection" (I assume they mean copyrights and patents specifically) takes away certain freedoms from society. If you want "strong" protection you are saying "give the copyright/patent holders more power to take away more freedom". That shouldn't be in a free society's interests.

    In conclusion, I think it's perfectly reasonable for the government to mandate "limits on the limits" of licenses as part of the requirements. In fact it's necessary for them to fulfill their responsibilities to the public. Microsoft's rhetoric makes it seem as if all licenses are completely equivalent. But they're not of course, otherwise why would we be even having this discussion?

  16. Peru calls for free software, not open source. by jbn-o · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Note that California will soon be considering - like Peru - a law to mandate open source software in government.

    No, not like Peru at all. Had you read the Peruvian congressman's letter you would not have made this mistake. The Peruvian bill clearly calls for free software ("software libre"), not open source. The freedom-minded perspective (what the other movement dismisses so glibly) is of the utmost importance for a proper understanding of the significance of the bill. Congressman Villanueva, the author of the letter to Microsoft and a major backer of bill #1609, understands the difference between the two movements and which is more appropriate for government to back (our government included). Congressman Villanueva takes the time to correct the Microsoft representative when Microsoft tries to slip one by him by referring to "open source". I suggest you read the letter to Microsoft and learn about the difference between the two movements. You might also want to read the Slashdot entry where these issues were discussed at length.

  17. Are You For Real? by krmt · · Score: 4, Insightful
    All right, I'm not a certified engineer, but I know how to read and compare writing (I do have a degree in that one), and I don't think that you managed to address the points that the parent's article was actually making.
    2. Reg backups. Free software to do this. Hey it's free, what we all want right?
    Ok, that's reasonable for a registry corruption, but there's still the fact that, as the author states in his article, "The registry file is a single, very vulnerable, point of failure." This is a design flaw, and while you can backup the registry, it's still generally acknowledged as a design flaw that hasn't been corrected. Single points of failure at this level simply shouldn't exist, because they don't need to. The proof is in *NIX, which has it's various config files. Granted, this has its problems too, but those are also design flaws. It's a benefits tradeoff, and your free programs to backup the registry are just workarounds.

    Oh, and the "free" that "we all want" is probably free as in Freedom, not as in beer.

    You also neglect this technical problem in XP: "If you say no to some of the requests, some functions of Windows XP will not work (such as networking)." If you deny internet access to many components, XP will cease to function properly. Did you notice the long list he had of components that needed 'net access? Windows Media Player!?! That's a technical flaw that's borderline malicious. There is also no technical solution things like "Run DLL as an app" not telling you which DLL needs to be run. These programs should not be calling home unless they need to in order to function properly for the user's benefit. They way they work now is simply frivolous.

    There's also that technical problem of the large number of Internet Explorer bugs that remain open. Granted, you can solve these by working around it using Mozilla, but given the massive market share of IE, the requirement that IE be bundled in with every copy of windows, and the general mindshare of IE, I'd say this is a pretty big flaw.
    And yeah MS wants in your PC, but Apple owns your pc everytime you update. Good for the goose is good for the gander. But apple is *SPECIAL*
    Funny, I don't see Apple mentioned anywhere in the article. Let's talk about Redhat or Debian instead. They don't own much of anything when you update. Neither does FreeBSD or OpenBSD. Hey, for that matter, neither does Apple really. They own nothing. They've given you the source to their entire OS subsystem. There's no clauses in iTunes that give Apple permission to modify the contents of your hard drive without your consent. There's no automatic mac.com registration upon install. Apple's entire marketing message is that the computer empowers the user, and that the user can actually use their computer to be productive. Apple doesn't want control over their users, they honestly want to empower them, which is why they've made OSX the great system that it is. Microsoft, on the other hand, has never shown any leanings in this direction. Honestly, when you look at it, Windows is the only OS in the world that really tries this hard to be owned by someone other than the user.

    You acknowledge that the article contains valid points, which is true, but you seem to forget just how valid those points are. I agree with you about the backups, but the registry is still a big issue (especially because most XP users don't even know it exists) and the privacy issues are a major concern. By turning its users in to slaves, Microsoft is hurting everyone, themselves included.
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