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jmiyaku writes "The National Post is reporting that NASA has given a Seattle company a $570,000 grant to continue its investigation into constructing a space elevator. Coupled with some production-grade technology from a Japanese car company (carbon nanotube composites), this elevator could be a reality within 15 years..." The Highlift website has some more information.

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  1. Good idea for nuclear waste? by pgpckt · · Score: 5, Interesting


    Well, Yucca Mountain leaves a whole lot to be desired. I suppose the best thing to do would be to shoot the radioactive waste into the sun. You could lanuch self-guiding ships full of the stuff straight into the sun...the sun sure wouldn't care. But how do you get the stuff in space safely?

    Perhaps this space elevator? I think it should be safe(r). Use the elevator to take the radioactive waste top the space station, then build a craft to launch the waste into the sun. No more radioactive waste problem! And it would probably be cheaper than the current proposed solution, plus it would be really great for the space program and scientific development. Is this a good idea?

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  2. Impact on the environment (and the ground) by Christopher+Thomas · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Also what about the risk of it falling down? An orbital tower will wrap about the earth more than once if it falls. The description in Red Mars was particularly though provoking.

    I used to think that this would make space elevators impractically dangerous. However, this turns out not to be the case.

    The energy gained by the falling cable will be at most its gravitational potential energy, which is within a factor of two of conventional high explosives (per unit weight). Pick a maximum yield on impact, and you have a maximum cable weight. Use a thin enough cable to meet this weight restriction, and you have an adequately disaster-proof elevator (it'll make a mess, but not wreck the world's climate).

    My own calculations with a 10 kT yield/cable weight came up with something that could reasonably be used for space travel and would pay for itself if you could keep the cargo moving.

    The biggest problem is figuring out how to move cargo fast enough. I'd be leery of having induction motors mess with the cable itself, and if its a nanotube bundle they won't conduct in the right direction anyways. Winches are much too slow. Sheathing the cable with metal would only be practical for a very thin layer, which ends up being too thin to support the required currents without boiling off (I think). It's an interesting design problem.

    1. Re:Impact on the environment (and the ground) by Enigma2175 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      the power source is a laser shot from the platform, aimed at collectors on the bottom of the car. There, it's converted to electricity, and drives motors with wheels on the cable.

      That is an idiotic design. If you use conventional conductors in the cable, then we can also use the cable as a big powerline from space. We can have a large solar array in space and get the power back to earth via the elevator cable. Proposals in the past for powering earth from space have suggested using microwave transmission, the elevator cable would be a much safer alternative. In addition, if you have a powered cable you can use energy return brakes on the climber, so when it comes back down the motors function as generators, returning power to the system. With the aforementioned solar array, the elevator can be an energy producer rather than an energy consumer. Not to mention the fact that it is terribly inefficient to convert the electricity to light (laser) then back to electricity on the climber. It would be much more efficient to run power in the cable itself.

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  3. Why doesn't anybody listen? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Everytime this has come up on Slashdot I've posted how foolish an idea this is (especially after 9/11), but nobody seems to listen to me.

    1.) If it falls, bad things will happen. As I type this there are probably at least 10 posts to this article moderated way up that point out how "safe" this thing would be coming down. Every single one has two flaws:
    • It treats the beanstalk as a series of point particles as opposed to one connected strand
    • It neglects the fact that gravity is stronger towards the bottom of the beanstalk than the top
    What does this mean? It means that, as the bottom comes down, the top will be yanked down faster than it would be by gravity alone. Want an analogy? Extend a tape measure to its full length. Let go and let it wind itself back up. Try not to cut your hand. And you want to build this on a large scale?

    2.) People will now respond to this post saying that it won't fall down because the top will be in orbit. In order to keep the bottom of the beanstalk from whipping around the circumference of the earth every 90 minutes, you must be talking about putting the center of gravity into geostationary orbit. I've done the math. If you want to put the center of gravity of a cable with uniform density into geostationary orbit, it puts the top of your beanstalk well beyond lunar orbit (inverse square againt). And when the moon snaps off that top guess what happens.

    To sum up: Not on my planet!