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The Day The Music Died: Windows Media and DRM

SampleMinded writes "The Guardian reports on an early glimpse of what a DRM controlled future looks like. Imagine backing up your files, reformatting your hard drive, then copying the files back over only to find your music no longer works. It happened to this guy. Now That's what I call Xperience!"

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  1. It's already happening by crivens · · Score: 5, Informative

    It happened to my fiancee. She backed up her music made using Real Jukebox to her D drive. We re-formatted drive C and re-installed Windows. Of course, not having saved the security key, when she restored her music files she couldn't play them.

    As always, the honest people suffer.

  2. Don't even have to do a reinstall by taeric · · Score: 5, Informative

    You don't even have to try to reload backed up data to get bit by this. Not too long ago, I upgraded my processor and was subsequently locked out of all the media files I made using Media Player.

    I was less then pleased, for obvious reasons. It was just a minor headache remaking files using other programs and such, but it was a minor headache I could have lived without.

  3. me like by Ubi_NL · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) Now Joe Public starts understanding and disliking DRM

    2) Techies that already hated DRM but are not listened to by Joe Public don't use silly WMP and are not hindered by this.

    What's the problem again?

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    1. Re:me like by Boiling_point_ · · Score: 4, Informative
      If I didn't have so many files to convert, I'd consider the technically better Ogg Vorbis format. Anyone know of a batch MP3>OGG converter?

      You won't pick up any quality converting an already-mp3 file to ogg - it's still lossy compression on top of lossy compression. Anyone know of a batch cd-ripper/robot arm disc changer combo?? :)
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  4. Re:don't use media player? by mrbill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Whoops, I just checked (www.soundjam.com):

    "Casady & Greene, Inc. ceased publication of SoundJam MP on June 1, 2001 at the request of its developers. We believe that SoundJam MP will continue to give our customers long and useful service, and, in keeping with our philosophy of putting our customers first, Casady & Greene will continue to offer tech support to SoundJam MP owners. The SoundJam development team is now working for Apple on their popular iTunes jukebox software, and will continue to work on exciting and innovative products for Mac use"

  5. Re:Windows Media Player?? by slagdogg · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, his first mistake was not disabling the 'Personal Protection' feature ... this would have solved his problem just as well as using another product.

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  6. Re:It's already happening (Creative Labs DRM) by dtfan579 · · Score: 5, Informative

    When updating my soundcard drivers recently, I discovered a notice of Digital Rig^H^Hestrictions Management from Creative Labs. Apparently copy protected "intellectual property content" causes the digital output of the sound card to be shutoff. Of course this only works on WMAs, so I believe this fits in the context of this article. For more information visit this URL Creative Labs: DRM with WMA

  7. Unprotecting content? by Bouncings · · Score: 3, Informative
    What is this business of just turning DRM off? For those of you who didn't read the article/don't remember,
    When you first run Windows Media Player, it will ask if you want to keep copy protection on, and you can turn it off if you wish. If you missed that dialog box, it is still easy to turn off copy protection by going into the Tools|Options menu. Click on the Copy Music tab, and under Copy Settings, uncheck the 'Protect Content' box.
    Ok, so you can turn off the "screw me in the ass" option? I'd like to know, what's the catch? Will this feature be going away in future versions? Someone, please fill me in.
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  8. Re:It's already happening (Creative Labs DRM) by pdh11 · · Score: 3, Informative
    Apparently copy protected "intellectual property content" causes the digital output of the sound card to be shutoff.

    It's not shut off, it's emitted with a copyright bit (part of the stream format) set. It's the "client" end (a DAT recorder, for instance) which does the prohibiting. This is all well-trodden ground to anyone who's messed with audio DAT drives or audio CD recorders: it prohibits you from recording copyright-asserted content from one to another digitally.

    Peter

  9. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 3, Informative

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  10. Re:Why DivX died? by tswinzig · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, DivX died because the company was trying to sell you a limited use disc that had less features than DVD's that could be bought/rented/re-sold.

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  11. not anymore by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Informative

    From the Winamp changelog:

    Winamp 2.61:
    * In accordance with Microsoft's license agreement, we no longer allow you to use DSP plug-ins or alternate output plug-ins when playing WMA files.

    So you'd have to find a version older than 2.61 for that trick to work.

  12. Re:System serial number by PotatoHead · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't like these schemes, but at least SGI has it right.

    (I work with them too. Very nice machines with long lives.)

    The Number In a CAN is actually located in a part of the SGI that permits upgrades everywhere else. This way you can change almost the entire machine (CPU, disks, reload the OS, Graphics) without any software hassle.

    On O2 machines this number is on the PCI tray. Move that tray, and your software will work on the new O2.

    Octane has it in the Backplane I think, either that or the MainBoard. It is a small chip that can be moved if you need a new main board, if it is there.

    Indy has it on the main board. Dallas semiconductor. Socketed.

    Indigo uses a similar chip. Same.

    BTW you *can* change the lmhostid on Indy and O2 machines at least. Do a search on changing sysid, or hostid. There may be ways for others.

    This system is annoying, but at least SGI thought long and hard about that annoyance factor and tried very hard to make sure the users were able to make the very best use of the licenses they have. A lot of companies don't do the kind of engineering they do and it shows. That is a big part of why an SGI costs what it does. (Worth it if you need to run that sort of software.)

    Sidebar: You can get this sort of functionality on a PC, though I don't hear about it much. Get your FlexLM license tied to an ID on a hardware dongle, or better PCMCIA network card. Works the same and you can move your license at will without discussing it with your vendor, who will only entertain the conversation if you have paid your maint. contract in full to date...

    So, I guess I could live with some things done this way, but I don't want to. Besides, even high-end machines like an SGI can be cracked so what's the point? Apply this sort of tech to the everyday PC and it will get cracked sooner than later.

    We should focus on incentives for people to do the right thing, not technology based solutions that start us down a path of control that we all will regret.