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The Need for Open Hardware

bwt asks: "With all the talk of DRM lately, it occurs to me that the entire concept depends on limiting the choice for computer hardware. OK, so the proper reaction to the copyright industry's attempts at PC market control is to be able to build a PC that they can't control. I know there have been some discussions on open hardware, but most if it was prior to the emergence of DRM as a real threat. In fact, Richard Stallman wrote an editorial in 1999 and said 'Because copying hardware is so hard, the question of whether we're allowed to do it is not vitally important.' DRM has perhaps changed that. Isn't the need for open hardware becoming critical? What is the status of the open hardware efforts?"

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  1. so far by Jonny+Ringo · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is the status of the open hardware efforts?
    So far its closed, I'll let you know when I decide to void the warranty.

  2. Status by JWW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If any of evil legislation being proposed passes, wouldn't the status of open hardware be....

    illegal

    Really that is what the fight will be all about. Hardware will be made to defeat DRM, the only way it will not be is if it is all illegal.

    Even if anti-DRM hardware is deemed illegal expect a black market in it that will put the alcohol black market during prohibition to shame.

    1. Re:Status by gimpboy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      what i dont have:
      an audio cdrom player (discman, stereo deck)

      what i do have:
      two cdrom drives and about 250 audio cds.

      since i like to listen whats on the cds every once and a while. out of convenience i've ripped all the cds to mp3 so that i can listen to them no matter where i'm at. if i go to a friends house for a bit, i download some music from my computer at home. i normally purchase a cd, rip it and stick it in a box. i never see the cd again.

      before i started doing this, my discs used to get really scrached up. partially my fault, but this method of storage really works well for me. i have everything catalogged in a database which can search through using boolean logic.

      i personally would pay more for hardware for this purpose. hell i already pay (or rather payed) more because i wanted scsi drives so i can rip, write, and play quake at the same time :)

      while i'm probably in the minority wrt the rest of the populatin, i am one who would pay more.

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      -- john
  3. Irrelavant. by ivan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    General purpose components (processors, memory, storage) without DRM enforcement will be readily available until it is governmentally mandated otherwise, and at that point open hardware without DRM would be illegal. This discussion leads to a dead end.

    1. Re:Irrelavant. by lynx_user_abroad · · Score: 4, Insightful
      This discussion leads to a dead end.

      Not quite. Think about this for a moment....

      In a world where all hardware has DRM and all operating systems enforce DRM, would I still be able to run Linux in vmWare? It won't be allowed to access that "impervious copyright content area" on my hard drive, but it won't need to either.

      If so, why can't I share pirated DVD's with my friends through P2P running on my (virtual) Linux box, and watch ripped DVD's on my (virtual) TiVo? And DRM has accomplished nothing.

      Or if I can't, then all the MPAA and RIAA and Microsoft Palladium assurances that I can still run whatever programs I want on my computer are pure bunk, and a DRM-enabled computer will both prevent you from accessing data which is copyrighted, but also prevent you from running unapproved programs on non-copyrighted data.

      (It won't just be vmWare. On a bored day long ago, I once implemented a binary-to-7-segment decoder as an Excel spreadsheet, and had a flip-flop-based timing circuit implemented as a configuration of cells in Life. If these feats are possible as a lark, then creating a program to perform an illegal function using whatever tools we are

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  4. The Jungle by gerf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It reminds me of the consequences of the book "The Jungle," which led to the mandatory listing of all ingredients of a food on the label.

    This would translate into basically letting you know what components of a product you have, but not necessarily how they work, with each other, or with you. And, you're allowed to test and research the product to make sure they aren't lying. With this, at least you'd know if there's DRM hardware in something you purchase. It could be more of a middle ground, and be some sort of comprimise. Sure, i'd rather have open-everything, and if you comprimise a little, they take a lot, but it's just a possibility.

  5. OpenPPC by ickypoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's always OpenPPC.

    To quote the site: "The immediate goal of the project is to enable interested parties to build inexpensive, PPC-based Linux boxes from IBM's reference plans. In the longer term, we hope to expand the open-source ideals expressed in the GPL to hardware projects, primarily motherboards."

    1. Re:OpenPPC by Ryan+Amos · · Score: 3, Informative

      Unfortunately, their offerings are neither available nor inexpensive. Motherboard design is just one of those things that really can't be done in an open-source fashion. The cost is simply too high. Companies like VIA, SiS, AMD and Intel put tens of millions of dollars into their chip designs. Also, nevermind that the OpenPPC spec is horribly outdated (about 2 years to be exact.) Yeah, they may eventually get something shipping, but it'll be long after it really matters.

  6. This might be the wrong question by bsDaemon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps we shouldn't be asking whether or not we should develop a new form of hardware to avoid DRM, but what is currently available that's so bloody weird that they'd not bother. NetBSD and Linux run on practicaly anything. If we all started using say, ARM CPUs, reusing old SPARCs, etc, it'd be alot easier and alot cheeper. Who is going to fund a company dedicated to making open, non-DRMed hardware? Next thing you know, as a VC, your being sued and/or prosecuted for facilitating piracy, terrorism, etc.
    There is plent of non-Intel(and friends) stuff out there already. Microsoft doesn't controll it in the slightest, and itd be too much of an undertaking for them to do it. I don't think ARM has much to lose from "just saying no" to microsoft.

  7. Wait a minute... by No+Such+Agency · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Isn't capitalism supposed to solve problems like this? Shouldn't companies who offer non-DRM hardware find favour with the consumer, and thus prosper over crippled-ware sellers? Oh wait, I forgot, the governments of the "Western" world are rapidly abdicating their role of legislating against the most abusive excesses of capitalism, in favour of legislation aiding and abetting them... Whoops.

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    1. Re:Wait a minute... by wisemat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Capitalism works perfectly well for IP as long as it is allowed to work in a (relatively) level playing field

      That means that the government should work to keep the playing field level as it was intended to be. Patents should be offered for true innovation in the hardware world where no prior art existed and enforced properly when offered properly. Copyright while in existence should gauruntee the author the ability to make a profit and avoid having their works horribly abused, but the copyright protections should be limited while they exist and of limited duration, not extended perpetually.


      As a side not, the dot com bubble was not capitalism failing, it was capitalism working beautifully coupled with idiot investors who overvalued entirely too much. The solid internet commpanies such as ebay thrive to this day, the ones with good prospects such as amazon.com and netflix.com are still around with time to prove themselves, and the weak one(who really wants to buy cheese graters or petfood online at a specialty website????) died as they should have. The only little glitch in the bubble was caused by mass stupidity and rampant overvaluing, which are not problems in the system itself.

  8. Lots of open hardware by kevin42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are a lot of open hardware designs at www.opencores.org.

    CPU cores, Ethernet MACs, complete SOC designs, etc. It's a great site, especially if you are into fpga development.

  9. LGPL version of SPARC CPU by phsolide · · Score: 5, Informative

    The European Space Agency has made available VHDL for a CPU that implements the SPARC V8 instruction set. The VHDL is available under the GNU LGPL license. Granted, implementations of LEON are slow (25 MHz?) but it's totally freely available. You may need to buy a $99 license from SPARC International to actually sell any CPUs you make, but that's pretty cheap.

    The SPARC instruction set is pretty simple. I don't imagine that a similar effort for x86 CPUs would be as simple or as quick.

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  10. Simputer keeps ticking by jukal · · Score: 5, Informative
    I recently exchanged a word with Rahul Matthan, who has been involved with the simputer project. Simputer has progressed well, and it will soon hit the stores, it seems. If you have not checked the site lately, it might be worth a visit now.

    A brief introduction to the simputer to those who don't already know:

    "The Simputer is a low cost portable alternative to PCs, by which the benefits of IT can reach the common man. "

    The system software is available under GPL, and the hardware specs under SGPL, the full licensing info is here.

  11. Re:this isn't the same as creating open-software by kevin42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    With a $99 FPGA development board and the free design tools from Xilinx, you too can make your own CPU without even breaking out a soldering iron. :)

  12. Re:Open hardware? by petis · · Score: 4, Informative
    On the site there is a definition of "open hardware":
    Sufficient documentation on the device must be available for a competent systems programmer to write a device driver. The documentation must cover all of the features of the device-driver interface that any user would be expected to employ. /.../


    Which is, in my opinion, a good definition. Open specifications of hardware is needed for fair competition in the OS-market, as well as for higher quality software. Drivers based on reverse engineered specifications is obviously harder to write than if you had the specifications from the start.
  13. money by Kallahar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The biggest problem with hardware is that in order to produce it you need expensive equipment. For example, most circuit boards for computer equipment have multi-layer PCB's (wires sandwiched between insulators) which are impossible to build without a PCB fab. Sure, you can get them made, but it gets expensive for low-volume runs. No, what we need is to support companies that fight DRM and boycott the companies that support it. Vote with your dollars.

    Travis

  14. Missing the point by isomeme · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real problem isn't availability of open hardware; anyone will (presumably) remain able to cobble together chips and wires and create a piece of computing equipment.

    The problem will arise when you try to use your homebrew machine on the internet. There are two scenarios here.

    The more likely scenario is that the big content suppliers and middlemen will pressure PC manufacturers into supplying only "DRM enabled" hardware to consumers; support for such hardware will be built into the Windows kernel and DMCA-protected against interference. What's more, a Palladium (or succeeding) web security system will interact with the trusted end-user hardware to enable net content access. In this scenario, users of noncompliant hardware will still be able to use their machines locally, and to access non-Palladium net content, but will be excluded from using the most popular OS and apps.

    The less likely but still frighteningly probable scenario would involve the government (whichever government you happen to live under) passing a "net homeland security act" which would make it illegal to attach non-certified hardware to the internet. Needless to say, the certification process would be onerous and expensive for hobbyists, and would mandate compliance with DRM standards.

    The latter may sound far-fetched, but consider that we already require cars to be certified as safe (and relatively non-polluting, in some states) before they're allowed to use public roads. The analogy is fairly direct.

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    1. Re:Missing the point by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 3, Insightful


      The analogy is horrible. The Internet is not a public utility that can be compared to the roadways; no government, including that of the United States, has direct oversight of the Internet backbones.

      In fact, every DRM-mandatory scenario is unlikely, because the two groups that don't want it are 1) those that sell the hardware and 2) those that buy the hardware.

      Capitalism is on our side here -- if Non-Media Company X finds out that each of the desktop PCs they buy from now on is going to cost them $5 more because Media Company Y insists that DRM hardware be included on every electronic device to prevent home users from ripping DVDs to MP4, the DRM requirement is going to be quashed instantly.
      There are a lot more Company X's in the world than Company Y's.

  15. openhardware.net by jukal · · Score: 4, Informative
    Was this site already mentioned:

    " Open Hardware is engineers sharing their designs with each other through the disclosure of their schematics and software systems used on their designs. Do you remember the time when you purchased a circuit board, or computer, and the schematics came with it? I do..."

  16. Re:this isn't the same as creating open-software by zCyl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Software can be written by anyone with even a very lowly computer.

    So can hardware if you use Field Programmable Gate Arrays (FPGA). True, you won't generate a 20 THz processor with FPGA, but most hardware doesn't need power. If FPGA's became more common, you could download and share devices, rather than just downloading and sharing device drivers.

    You would still need to buy the physical end, such as a virgin controllerless harddrive, or a simple plug to put an ethernet cord into. But if you could download the rest of the hardware, and if you could then plug it into a device like an FPGA, you could bypass almost any complaints people would have with hardware manufacturers.

    More importantly, when you can download a set of instructions for programming hardware, you can then share these instructions. Then you gain all the known benefits of open source software.

  17. The Key to Open Hardware by Spencerian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The key to open hardware, in my opinion, is paradoxical. To have open hardware, your design must be closed, immutable.

    That's the only reason why Apple survives, even thrives today, because they control the OS as well as the hardware.

    Just because the design is closed doesn't mean, however, that the use and functionality of the system cannot be adjusted. You can slam as many drives, RAM, processor upgrades, and PCI cards in a desktop Mac as you would any other PC. Only the circuit designs remain under the control of one company.

    In the case of Apple, it's a benevolent dictatorship at the moment, with a CEO who is outspoken on DRM issues.

    The Intel world is problematic because Intel calls the shots. This is good because all companies must follow the designs that fit their processor. But it leaves us in that benevolent dictatorship again. Add the Microsoft layers and things are pro-DRM again.

    Yet, take out the MS layers and Intel loses the need for most of its processors and cannot afford to make them.

    So, it does seem that the only way to break into a true open hardware design is to break out of the traditional processor model. The PowerPC chip specs are openly available, but I don't see processor manufacturing becoming a home or OSS project. Too much capital and hardware.

    Was it the Crusoe project that was trying to make a processor that ran any OS? Could that be the key? Was it cheaper?

    Somehow, there's gotta be a way to make a cheaper processor.

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    1. Re:The Key to Open Hardware by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Informative
      The key to open hardware, in my opinion, is paradoxical. To have open hardware, your design must be closed, immutable. That's the only reason why Apple survives, even thrives today, because they control the OS as well as the hardware.
      You are confusing success with openness. Apple is (somewhat) successful, but not due to having open hardware. Apple originally started with completely open hardware design back in 1977 with the Apple ][. The schematics, monitor ROM source code, and even some theory of operation information was in the reference manual.

      IBM copied this model when they introduced the IBM PC in 1981, and it is largely why the PC market has been successful. However, though the PC was an open design, the clones generally aren't. All they do is maintain some base-level software compatability with the PC. You can't actually get schematics or BIOS listings for most (if not all) current PCs and motherboards. So the hardware is open in terms of bus interface, but not in any larger sense.

      But when Apple decided to design and sell business computers, starting with the Apple III, the hardware was closed. Schemtics and hardware documentation were unavailable to customers. This trend continued with the Lisa and Macintosh.

      At one point in the Macintosh era, Apple flirted briefly with open hardware (remember CHRP?), then went back to proprietary, undocumented hardware. Current Macintosh models are as proprietary and undocumented as ever. However, the release of Darwin source code mitigates this to some extent.

      There are benefits to Apple to having closed hardware. They don't have to engineer for and test for as many different platforms and variations as Microsoft does. But this doesn't directly benefit the consumer.

      To have a true open hardware platform, and the consumer benefits that would arise therefrom, we need more than just documented bus electrical specifications (e.g., PCI, AGP, USB). The actual details of the hardware design need to be public, such that a BIOS can be written as Free Software.

      Note that even the microprocessor vendors are keeping secrets that impede this. For a while Intel kept the "Appendix H" documentation on the Pentium secret. More recently, it was discovered that some details of how to configure the cache of the Athlon were only available under NDA from AMD.

      The whole "trusted computing" mantra of the TCPA and Palladium is offensive to me, because these initiatives do nothing to help me as a consumer have better trust in the machine -- if anything, they are hiding more of the operation of the machine from me.

      I've been worried for about five years now that this would result in a very unpleasant change to the PC market. Instead of inexpensive, commodity hardware that can run either proprietary or Free Software, we may soon see a split market, in which the inexpensive hardware can only run proprietary software, and if you want to run Free Software, you have to buy much more expensive hardware.

      This assumes that the manufacturing volumes for the open hardware would be considerably lower than for commodity hardware. Perhaps the xBSD and Linux operating systems are being widely enough adopted to prevent the prices of open (or mostly open) hardware from rising too terribly much. Only time will tell.

      Of course, if legislation like the CBDTPA actually gets enacted, the situation will be much worse. Then rather than simply having to pay more money for open hardware, we would have to buy it on the black market. It is certainly comforting to know that our elected representatives in Washington are doing such a great job of protecting our freedoms.

  18. Two different questions... by gouldtj · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Alot of people here are discussing building their own computers with available chips. But I think that the real question comes down to, what happens when all the available chips have DRM built right into them. I don't know what the solution is here.

    When you look at hardware, the designing isn't the most expensive part, manufacturing is. (just like in software, support is the most expensive part :) So I could see a manufacturing company that was running some ultra cheap process try to make money - but there isn't much there. Plus, you have to do literally months of verification on each design before sending it to fab - I don't think most Open Source projects do that amount of testing...

    The reality is that it still costs $1/4 million dollars to send a chip to Fab (rumored to cost a cool million for 0.1 micron). I don't know who is willing to put up that kinda money without some assurance the government isn't going to shoot them down half way through production.

  19. FSF is indeed concerned about this issue by bkuhn · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, this is a big point of concern for us the Free Software Foundation. We agree with bwt (the poster) that initiatives like DRM and so-called "trusted computing" mean that the issue raised in his post must be looked at differently.

    What concerns us most is the thin layer between hardware and software: items like the BIOS and flash ROM. That layer is ripe for DRM and other technologies. That issue is quite different from Stallman's essay mentioned in the post. This isn't an issue of Free (as in freedom) hardware, but is about a matter of that "thin layer" of software where DRM will likely dwell.

    FSF is currently extremely short on resources, but we hope to put at least some force behind initiatives to create Free Software in this area. In some sense, it is the last frontier for freedom on our computers. Indeed, the only proprietary software code anywhere in my computer is that which lives in the BIOS. Before now, the issue was not so strategically significant, but the fact that DRM technologies may soon live in that very BIOS makes it more significant than ever.

    If anyone has an interest and reverse engineering experience, and would like involved with working on the free BIOS projects, particularly for laptop devices, please contact me. Also, please contact me if you would like to donate to a restricted fund for this effort, as we are considering setting one up if there is substantial interest.

    Sincerely,
    Bradley M. Kuhn, Executive Director, Free Software Foundation

  20. Re:Open hardware? by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful
    How is hardware not currently open?

    Well, it's not as open as it was in the early 80's when IBM used to sell technical reference guides for PCs which contained the actual circuit diagrams. Those of us who worked at PC clone companies found these to be immensely useful.

    You might argue that IBM ended up losing out to its competition in the PC market and shouldn't have done this. I believe, however, that the open nature of the PC eventually resulted in a total market sized hundreds of times larger than what would have resulted under IBM's total proprietary control. They probably made more profit in PCs, PC-based servers and PC software over the last 20 years than they ever would have if the system weren't open.

    Their relative share of the pie was smaller, but the pie turned into a monster pie. Moreover, other clone companies pioneered the concept of the very profitable PC-based server. IBM stole this idea back and created their own lines of servers. The PC pie became richer, too.

    There's even a control case to check this theory: witness the what happened when they tried to go back to a closed hardware system with the PS/2. It wasn't a poster child for success.

  21. SPARC by dagnabit · · Score: 4, Informative

    www.sparc.com


    From the SPARC site:

    The RISC-based Scalalable Processor ARChitecture includes processors from multiple vendors that range in price from less than $10 to more than $3000, and powers devices that scale in functionality from small digital cameras to large mainframe-class UNIX servers. This microprocessor architecture is controlled and managed by SPARC International (SI), an independent governing body founded in 1989. Since its inception, the SPARC architecture has been guided by its fundamental design philosophy of open standards. Open - to promote innovation, to provide options and flexibility, to encourage fair competition, and ultimately, to help businesses relying on the SPARC platform thrive. Any version of the SPARC Instruction Set can be licensed from SPARC International, and then used to design processors implementing that open standard. Truly - in letter and in spirit, SPARC's open - for business!

    What makes SPARC "open?"

    While many proprietary architectures claim to be open, the truth is that adopters of a proprietary chip must accept the architecture "as is." Conversely, the SPARC architecture fulfills essential elements of openness.

    The SPARC instruction set is published as IEEE Standard 1754-1994.

    SPARC specifications are available for licensing by any person or company, giving customers flexibility and freedom to design their own solution.

    Control of the SPARC architecture is in the hands of an independent, non-profit organization, SPARC International, whose membership is open to everyone.

    How much does it cost to use the architecture?

    All technical information about the architecture is available for free and without royalties from SPARC International's public website. Anyone is welcome to download the SPARC specifications, which provide all of the technical requirements needed to design processors and other products based on the open SPARC standard.

    SPARC International also offers registry services for a one-time fee of $99, which is particularly important to those companies that track the source of technology in their products.
    While the technical information is free, use of the SPARC trademark requires two things: First, membership in SPARC International; and second, compliance testing of the device.

  22. I've about had it by foobar104 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've about had it with Slashdot's political bent. In the past year. Slashdot has gone from an site full of links to interesting and fun things to a mess of misinformation about the DMCA, DRM technology, patents, copyrights, and other issues that-- for reasons that escape me-- are fundamentally offensive to a good chunk of the Slashdot audience.

    I believe that reasoned political debate is a wonderful thing. I love talking politics with my friends, whether we agree or disagree. Those sorts of conversations always leave be with the sense that I've learned something new, or heard an opinion that I haven't heard before.

    But Slashdot is not the place for reasoned political debate. More often than not, the people who post to Slashdot seem to lack even the most basic information about the topic at hand. Instead of reading and listening and learning about significant issues, the Slashdot readership prefers instead to just repeat the same old litanies: DMCA bad, RIAA bad, MPAA bad, DRM bad, MS bad, Linux good, EFF good, RMS good, capitalism = greed, government = corruption, et cetera, et cetera.

    A year ago, the solution was easy: I just chose not to see any articles from the "Your Rights Online" section on the front page. Poof. Done.

    Now, half the articles, more or less, make reference to one of the collection of alphabet soup I listed above.

    I'm tired of this. I've been an active participant on Slashdot for a long time-- I don't remember precisely how long, but I've posted some 1,200 comments, and I maxed out my karma a long time ago-- but I'm just about ready to give it up. I'm just not finding that much on Slashdot that's worth reading any more.

    I know this is off-topic-- and I'm sure I'll be moderated accordingly-- but I just felt like letting go with a rant. Don't follow this up here. Instead, if you want to reply at all, do so on my journal.

    1. Re:I've about had it by Eric+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I hope I'm not just feeding a troll here...
      Slashdot has gone [...] to a mess of misinformation about the DMCA, DRM technology, patents, copyrights, and other issues
      Are you claiming that the articles are full of misinformation, or that the comments posted to them are? Can you cite some specific examples?
      that-- for reasons that escape me-- are fundamentally offensive to a good chunk of the Slashdot audience.
      Are you saying that the articles are offensive, or the misinformation, or the general subject matter? What chunk is being offended, and why aren't they protesting like you are?
      the Slashdot readership prefers instead to just repeat the same old litanies: DMCA bad, RIAA bad, MPAA bad, DRM bad, MS bad, Linux good, EFF good, RMS good, capitalism = greed, government = corruption, et cetera, et cetera.
      Perhaps the reason people repeat these "litanies" is that they are true, and that the truth bears repetition? In any case, it would be much more interesting to hear some reasons why those litanies are wrong, rather than just a complaint that they are repeated.
    2. Re:I've about had it by foobar104 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fweet! Illegal use of Godwin's Law. Twenty-five yard foul, Vikings have the ball.

    3. Re:I've about had it by foobar104 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But see, that's exactly the kind of conversation about Palladium that I'm not interested in having.

      The Windows operating system is extremely insecure. UNIX is a little better, because security was designed in at a much lower level, but it's still not perfect. Of course, in most environments security simply isn't necessary, but if you need to put a computer on the Internet without benefit of a firewall, it's suddenly very important.

      Palladium is one proposal to improve the security of PCs by implementing cryptographic technology at the hardware layer. On its face, it's actually a pretty neat idea. But to see that, you have to think of it as a feature, and not a set of handcuffs.

      I just wish we could have meaningful conversations about the pros and cons of the technology proposal itself, without immediately collapsing into "it's about control" and "it's about freedom." Because, contrary to popular Slashdot opinion, it's not always about freedom. Sometimes it's just about technology. Technology-- specifically, trying to be a Monday-morning quarterback on technology matters-- is interesting and fun. Politics is not. Is it too much to ask that Slashdot be a place where we can have conversations about technology that don't always become conversations about politics?

  23. I asked Richard Stallman this... by ronfar · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In the Slashdot interview of Richard Stallman a while back, I asked this very question. His response was very simple and to the point.

    Q: The battle over CSS has been about whether people have the right to use software (I consider DVDs software because they are programs read by a computer chip) when it is controlled by the content control system CSS, even after they've bought it. I hope they'll lose in the courts, but it is unclear at this point whether they will, however, my question is on another, related topic.

    Suppose very strong, nearly unbreakable encryption were used on traditional Software DVD (i.e. stuff like M$ software or other companies software, just in a DVD format) and a DVD CCA for software were set up saying, "You aren't allowed to access the content of any DVDs unless you use our licensed DVD decryption software. Oh, and our DVD decryption software contains a legally enforceable (under UCITA) software license which states that you cannot reverse engineer any content you have decrypted using our decryption software." How would Free Software handle it?

    RMS:With laws like that, there would be no lawful way to solve the problem. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act comes close to what you imagine, and it may be enough to prohibit free software for this job. (I don't know for certain, and I think the answer is not known yet.) It may be necessary to develop this software in countries which do not have these laws.

    Q:Does there now need to be a Free Hardware philosophy which states that "Hardware which exists tied to a proprietary software system must be replaced by Free Hardware standards" or something similar?

    RMS: I agree--but it will be hard to get the movie companies to release movies for that hardware. Fundamentally, the only solution will be when enough of the public believes in freedom to change the laws that are the basis for denying our freedom.

    -- From Thus Spake Stallman

    It is actually kind of depressing that even though we were all so well aware of what was coming we are still here, right up against the wall with so little progress to show.

    P.S. Yes, I am aware of how the "M$" makes me look :-) the sad thing is I am a lot like that guy, except until I got my well paying IT job it was my parent's garage, not basement.

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    All the creatures will die, And all the things will be broken. That's the law of samurai. (Jubai, 1605)
  24. "Free market will solve everything" by gnugnugnu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The notion that the "Free market will solve everything" is based on some very flawed assumptions.

    The first is the assumption of the perfectly informed consumer. There is no such thing as the perfectly informed consumer, a customer who is aware of which companies own which, which company behave ethically or distrubite products that do not conform the consumers ethical standards.
    There is just too much information and it is just too complicated for even the concerned consumers to know it all. Most consumers dont even care if a company kills babies* so long as they get cheap gasoline (*i know of know such company).

    the second flawed assumption is that the market can ever actually be free.
    Governments can and do interfere. Governments usually* set minimum ethical standards and try to stop companies defrauding the investors or cheating their customers (* need i even say Enron, WorldCom etc?).
    Governments are also one of the largest spenders in the market. The economies of many small towns are totally dependent on Goverment military spending, governmetn prison bugdets.
    So government legislation and spending have a huge effect on the market place.
    big businness calls for 'laissez faire' so they can make as much profit with the minimum obligation to show and morality or provide quality products.

    Capitalism is not supposed to solve problems like this.
    Democracy, and a goverment that represents the best interests of the majority of its people is supposed to sovle this.

    1. Re:"Free market will solve everything" by aminorex · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Was it DeTocqueville who said something to the effect
      that democracy in America would last until the people
      realized that they could vote themselves bread?
      I guess now we know how long that is. About
      150 years from 1783 to 1933.

      Or you could argue that the union system broke
      down 70 years before that, when Lincoln established
      the American empire.

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      -I like my women like I like my tea: green-
  25. Open hardware, closed government. by Featureless · · Score: 5, Informative

    The whole problem with DRM is that anytime someone can choose between having it or not, they will almost always choose not to have it. This is elementary common sense.

    Manufacturers are rightly scared of DRM for this reason. Anything too radical or obstrusive will kill sales. And what MPAA/RIAA wants is highly radical.

    They are thus pursuing two avenues around the problem. The first is to make DRM a part of Windows. Since as we've observed most users (for a variety of reasons) are locked into Windows, they will have no choice but to (eventually) upgrade into DRM. There are some problems with this approach; they (correctly) don't trust Microsoft, either to do a good job or to look out for their interests, and there are those pesky "competitors." Will Apple play ball? Think about it. They'll have a powerful incentive not to, to try to use the Windows-DRM shock as an opportunity to gain marketshare. But of course, as has been well established in the past, Apple can be bought. That still leaves Linux. And that's a bit frightening, frankly, since you can't reliably control Linux, and the buzz on the street is that, someday, it might be what everyone uses.

    That brings me to the second prong of this attack: the CBDTPA, in its many forms, past and (undoubtedly) future. And that, basically, would make "Open Hardware" illegal. If past legislation is any guide, it would probably also make talking about how to build open hardware illegal.

    So if you're considering spending time and energy getting involved in the design and (god forbid) manufacture of open hardware, please don't bother. If you're determined to contribute to the issue, you're needed in Washington.

    1. Re:Open hardware, closed government. by The+Cookie+Monster · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The whole problem with DRM is that anytime someone can choose between having it or not, they will almost always choose not to have it. This is elementary common sense.
      Nope, given a choice between a box that can pay all media (ie the DRM box - it can play open media as well as the stuff encrypted by the RIAA & MPAA), and a box that can only play outdated or amature media (ie an open box in a world where all RIAA & MPAA member content is encyrpted), most people will chose the DRM box, possibly even me.

      (nah, I'd actually get both)
  26. Re:Open hardware? by cheezedawg · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't think he missed the announcements- I think you are reading waaaaay to far into them.

    Microsoft: We would like to create a trusted computing platform. We will call it Palladium.

    You: AHHHHHHH! How dare you control my computer and prevent me from running Linux!

    The strength of Microsoft's operating systems are the huge amounts of software available and the ease of developing applications that are compatible across all versions of Windows. Microsoft will not restrict what software can run, they will only restrict how much damage software that you do not trust can do.

    And I think it is absurd to imply that hardware manufacturers would ever restrict their hardware to only work with Microsoft. That is just bad business. Hardware manufacturers are out to make as much money as possible- not to consort with the evil empire in plans to control your content.

    From everything I have read, Palladium will be a hardware feature that must be enabled by software. If the software does not enable it, thats ok. You just don't have the security features enabled.

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    "The defense of freedom requires the advance of freedom" - George W Bush
  27. Open Collector by kirn_malinus · · Score: 5, Informative
    Open collector is the site for open hardware. Don't even bother discussing the topic until you've checked it out.

    gEDA is also a good project for Linux people interested in open hardware: they develop a GNU liscenced set of hardware design tools.

    Just my bookmarks two cents on the topic.

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    All circuits busy.
  28. Open hardware been there done that and still am by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    There actually already is a great deal of open hardware out there. It just depends on what you want to build, if you want to look at some neat circuit designs for various applications the University of Washington EE dept maintains a list of older circuit designs here (hey guess where I go to school). Pretty simple stuff like how to make Oscillators, pelter coolers, using serial ports, multi-vibrator circuit A-D converters, etc.

    There are lots of other archives and examples, around the web. BUT, the catch is that this information is useless to most people. Unless you have a few hundred thousands of dollars to spend to make your own IC's the only option is microprocessors, FPGAs, CPLDs, etc. The design of custom IC's is not a consumer market and never will be untill someone comes out with a neat little Star Trek replicator. The closest thing to consumer IC's is MOSIS, which will make a few chips for you for around $10,000. The UW actually has two IC fabrication labs and only a few people can (and need to) make chips with them because the lithographic masks cost $30k each.

    You can make your own processors if you really want, there are plenty of books that will teach you how to make your own Verilog MIPS processor. But, the software to take that design and turn it into a chip layout costs a couple hundred thousand dollars. But, if you want to build your own Pentium class processor, you're out of luck. Those designs are the property of whoever makes them, and with good reason. It costs millions of dollars to make and design these chips (don't forget just getting your chip to work is only 1/3 of the work, manufacturing it reliably is a far greater problem). There was a case several years ago against AMD (I believe) who suddenly came out with a memory design that was smaller than the industry standard. Funny thing was that another smaller company had come out with the design several months earlier... and guess what happened? They got a hold of the chips realized AMD had copied the design EXACTLY, except for a single reversed transistor (which didn't really change anything). Needless to say AMD lost a shit load of money and had to pay royalties. So, with respect to Stallman's rather silly statement the question is important and the answer is a resounding NO.

    If you want to make your own circuits though, there are plenty of resources out there pcbexpress.com will take your PCB (printed circuit board) layouts and manufacture boards for under $100. And there's even free PCB design software out there (a lot of companies have their own for their services but everyone takes GERBER files - the industry standard for PCB layout). One popular free program is EAGLE which has Linux and Windows clients http://www.cadsoft.de/ , which has pretty good quality - hey its free. Plus there are lots of other PCB programs on Freshmeat. There are plenty of resources out there to make your own boards and lots of people do, but open hardware will never be as simple as downloading a design and hitting a button (even open source software isn't even that easy) because electronics isn't that simple. You can solder things together perfectly and have your design not work, because of some small detail or it could work perfectly, which is what makes it so fun!

  29. Too hard core for me by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm not even to the point yet where I can compile my own kernel, and now you want me to build a clean room so I can build my own hardware?

    It'd be nice if I could do this, but what's the point in OSH if you can't build your own?

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    You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
  30. Freeze! This is a hardware bust! by xixax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But what's the point in designing open, DRM free hardware if the DEA busts down your door on the behalf of Hillary Rosen because you are not including government aproved DRM controls? That it's a PC or not is irrelevant, all the text I have seen says that an approved DRM would be applied to all electronics.

    OK, Palladium is of corporate origin, but you can be sure that they will lobby hard to promote it as the final solution to the issues vexing Sen. Hollings et al. This issue needs to be faced and not ignored in the hope it will go away and bother someone else.

    I can see it now, I get busted for carrying a traffickable quantity of Z80 chips...

    Xix.

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    "Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"