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Fields Medals awarded

prostoalex writes "Every four years the Fields Medals are awarded to top mathematicians for outstanding research. This year's winners, as this San Francisco Chronicle article reports are Vladimir Voevodsky from Institute for Advanced Study and Laurent Lafforgue from Institut des Hautes Etudes Scientifiques. 'True to form, Lafforgue and Voevodsky's mathematical research has no known practical applications', notes SF Chronicle."

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  1. Useless ? by Lorens · · Score: 2, Insightful


    So maybe 100 years ago, factoring into primes had no practical use ? Certainly nothing like it has today...

    1. Re:Useless ? by RatFink100 · · Score: 2

      100 years seems about right for cutting edge maths to make it to practical use.

  2. New maths never had practical applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When negative numbers were introduced they were known as a mathematical curiosity not useful for anything.
    Similarly complex numbers were discovered simply to make basic algebra "closed", now they have hundreds of applications, similarly group theory originally had no practical applications yet is now used in many fields including analysis of molecular interactions which is essential to pharmecutical companies.
    Give it 20 years and I'm sure an application will arise.

    1. Re:New maths never had practical applications by BigBir3d · · Score: 3, Funny

      speaking of negatives, they were of no real importance until our society became on of currency. the barter system (still available for research in a few remote places) never gave us the idea of a 'minus.'

      and now, we have Enron and Worldcom...

    2. Re:New maths never had practical applications by notfancy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of those "pure mathematical" developments of twenty years (or forty years) ago, what has been used outside mathematics?

      Off the top of my head, I'd say lattice and group theory for designing error correcting codes. The Solomon-Reed ECC used in CDs and DVDs was designed from the structure of a special lattice.

      A lot of "useless" theories (much more "concrete" than topology, though: Collatz bases, Cylindrical Algebraic Decomposition and whatnot) ended up in Computer Algebra Systems in very "useful" tasks as factoring polynomials and solving equations.

      And, who knows, maybe the topological approach to Quantum Gravity does pan out in the end.

    3. Re:New maths never had practical applications by singularity · · Score: 2

      One word: Cryptology.

      Who would have thought that all the work done in prime numbers would pay off in a practical application?

      True, a lot of the work done on prime numbers during World War II was directed at codes (both breaking them and coming up with new ones), but they were able to look back at a large library of previously researched work (with no application) and turn that into a concrete example of using previously inapplicable math.

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  3. Madhu Sudan's homepage by jukal · · Score: 5, Informative

    the "error-correcting-guy" has his homepage here, his papers are here. Really interesting stuff. But what can you expect from a guy whose hairstyle has similarities to Einstein's :)

  4. impractical? by khuber · · Score: 2, Funny
    Yeah, not like the revolutionary impact the average newspaper journalist has on civilization. (note sarcasm)

    -Kevin

  5. a doughnut into a coffee cup by oliverthered · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey that's easy any idiot can do that.
    1: take the doughnut in you right hand
    2: take the coffee cup in you left hand
    3: move you right hand towards the coffee cup, ensure that you 'turn the doughnut into the coffee cup ' on you approach.

    Maths is easy.

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    1. Re:a doughnut into a coffee cup by oliverthered · · Score: 2

      Well somthing like this ( O = sphere, @=doughnut, | a non closeing surface)

      |
      |@ handle
      base O|

      I'm don't know how the topology works though but I can't see how the sphere can be merged into the doughnut

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  6. here's a link with ACTUAL INFORMATION by khuber · · Score: 5, Informative
    That SFC article is crap.

    fields 2002

    -Kevin

  7. ... near equivalents? by Ratface · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Two Americans and a Frenchman have won prizes that are the mathematical and computer science near-equivalents of the Nobel Prize. "

    Does this mean that...

    Fields Medals ~ Nobel Prize

    and

    Fields Medals != Nobel Prize

    ? ;-)

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    1. Re:... near equivalents? by jfern · · Score: 2, Funny

      There exists a homoorphism but not an isomorphism between the two. Maybe I shouldn't attempt math humor at 3am.

    2. Re:... near equivalents? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nope not true. Alfred Nobel was never married. Just an urban myth to try and explain why a nobel prize was never awarded in math. Basically the Nobel prize is awarded not to the best researcher in a field per see but to the person in each field whose work has the greatest impact on society, etc. Nobel never thought math was like that.

      This is why many of the mathematicians have won their prizes in economics or other areas.. eg: Nash ( Game Theory ), Merton, Scholes ( Black-Scholes equation for options pricing ). Both are fairly simple mathematically but have proven far more useful than say determining that a doughnut and coffee cup are topological equivalents.

  8. Re:Forget the maths, same article speaks of CS pri by jukal · · Score: 2
    > New CRC? Do we need it?

    His work is a bit wider than just the CRC which by itself is "just" cyclic redundancy check. He talks about error-CORRECTING.

  9. No practical use by PhilHibbs · · Score: 3, Informative
    'True to form, Lafforgue and Voevodsky's mathematical research has no known practical applications',
    That's what George Boole said about his own invention, Boolean Algebra. Pure mathematical research will usually pay off eventually.
    1. Re:No practical use by heffrey · · Score: 2

      slashdot has "no known practical applications" but that doesn't stop it being interesting

  10. No practical applications? by jfedor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yeah, that's what G. H. Hardy said about number theory back in 1940 (in A Mathematician's Apology). :)

    -jfedor

    1. Re:No practical applications? by jfern · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I guess that must have been before the NSA became the largest employer of pure mathematicians in the world.

  11. Arrrgh by platypus · · Score: 5, Informative

    As a (former) mathematician, I sometimes wish people wouldn't try to explain mathematical things in laymans terms:

    "His study is related to topology, the mathematical science of shapes. Among other things, topologists study how one shape can be changed into another shape -- say, a doughnut into a coffee cup -- without removing the one feature they have in common -- the hole in the doughnut and the hole in the cup's handle"

    First, this sounds soo cheesy, and second, this is _not_ what topology is about (the "how" doesn't normally matter, the question is "if").
    I can see people imagining mathematicians sitting in the offices with a big pile of knead and trying to form proper coffee cup handles out of doughnuts.

    1. Re:Arrrgh by mill · · Score: 5, Funny

      Turning a doughnut into a coffee cup and vice versa would have serious practical applications for our people in law enforcement though. /mill

    2. Re:Arrrgh by khuber · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Yes, and Stephen Smale, John Nash Jr., and of course Henri Poincaré (father of topology), Moebius, Hausdorff (may be familiar if you've read about fractals), and Riemann are some other mathematicians whose work in or related to topology is interesting.

      One thing that's interesting (to me) is how difficult it is to solve something like the Poincaré conjecture which seems so simple at first. It's only been solved for generalized versions where n > 3, and getting down to 4 took a long long time!

      Even though I only understand a bit (my math background is applied mathematics), topology is pretty fascinating in an abstract sense. Incredibly brilliant people.

      -Kevin

    3. Re:Arrrgh by David+Price · · Score: 2

      "I study shapes. Kind of like you do in kindergarden, but the shapes I think about are a lot more complicated."

    4. Re:Arrrgh by platypus · · Score: 2

      Yes, but as I wrote, (algebraic) topology is mostely concerned with the _if_ there is a homeomorphism, not how it is constructed.
      At least that is what I learned in topology. But I confess I just did not specialize in topology, when I learned about k-theory, bott periodicity and homotopy theory and the proof that the 7-sphere is parallelizable I thought I felt I should stop, otherwise my brain would explode ;-).

      Explicitly writing down homeomorphism was never done, apart from some trivial beginner examples (and I'm very thankful for that).

      A better explanation would IMO have been to tell something about knots.

    5. Re:Arrrgh by Tackhead · · Score: 2
      > I can see people imagining mathematicians sitting in the offices with a big pile of knead and trying to form proper coffee cup handles out of doughnuts.

      Which is easy, of course, as both are instances of a torus.

      What really impresses me was turning a Klein bottle into a coffee cup... resulting in the Klein Stein

      (Why yes, that's a shameless plug for Cliff Stoll's Klein Bottles. And despite the fact that it's toplogically identical to every other Klein bottle, and therefore definitely not a torus, I gotta say the Klein Stein is an amazing bit of glasswork. It holds a lot of liquid for something with no volume.)

    6. Re:Arrrgh by alienmole · · Score: 2

      Yeah, think of the efficiency! But why bother turning one into the other - as they're drinking their coffee, they could just eat the coffee cup as they go along. We don't need no fancy-ass topologists, just a really good baker and some waterproof icing!

  12. Langlands Program by euroderph · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lafforgue's work is about the Langlands program, but it's extremely difficult to find info about it on the Web. Can anyone provide pointers?

    1. Re:Langlands Program by sympleko · · Score: 4, Informative

      Here is an expository article from the Journal of the AMS about the Langlands program. Results of Lafforgue are used to prove some very nice theorems.

      Here is a link to an article by Lafforgue in Inventiones Mathematicae, one of the world's most prestigious mathematics Journals. Malheursement, cet article est en français.

      Here is the Mathematical Reviews citation for the Lafforgue paper. You can browse the articles cited by him.

      Also, if anyone is interested, here is a paper by Voevodsky about some of his work in motivic cohomology.

  13. No Practical Applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Dammit, I'm sick of the Langlands Program getting dumped on in the media. A man proves global correspondence for function fields and all the media can say are there are 'no practical applications'!

    Yeah sure, maybe today, it's the topology and set theory guys who get all the chicks and who get invited to the Oscars and stuff, but just you wait, two-three years, it's going to be ALL ABOUT the Langlands Program!

    On the other hand, take cohomology theory for algebraic varieties: that shit's just weird.

  14. Maths and practicallity... by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So sodding what if it doesn't have direct application today ? Would the SFC complain about yet another Dean Kootz book or another pointless film with Tom Cruise in it ? No they wouldn't, but because these guys are doing research and pushing the boundaries of human knowledge it is therefore pointless because of its lack of application.

    Maths has had a history of "not being practical" and then 50,100 or even more years later turning out to be 100% practical. Did Pythagorus et al do all that work because it was "practical", is set theory practical... oh hang on that is the basis of cryptography, which is an area that 200 years ago would have been totally "pure" and unsullied by being practical.

    I say let these men live in their Ivory Towers, let them postulate and theorise. Because first come the ideas, then come the realities. A Turing maching isn't "practical" it require infinite tape, but damn have those ideas kicked in. Game Theory was created by a John Nash because of its maths, it then changed economics BUT that wasn't why he started thinking about it.

    If one more arse with an English degree derides Maths just ask them... when was the last time an author helped changed the world, and what about the millions of others who just write pulp bestseller after pulp bestseller... what is the practical application of those, except to be recycled as loo roll.

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    1. Re:Maths and practicallity... by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

      So sodding what if it doesn't have direct application today ? Would the SFC complain about yet another Dean Kootz book or another pointless film with Tom Cruise in it ?

      But the practical application of a Dean Koontz book or a Tom Cruise movie is apparant to everyone: ENTERTAINMENT.

      Math is not fun to most people. And really far-out math is worse...

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      "And like that ... he's gone."
    2. Re:Maths and practicallity... by deblau · · Score: 2
      Quoth the poster:
      Game Theory was created by a John Nash
      Actually, Game Theory was created by John von Neumann, long before the popular media's revisionist historians got their hands on it.
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    3. Re:Maths and practicallity... by swillden · · Score: 2

      Math is not fun to most people

      Their loss...

      Actually, most people have no idea if they think math is fun or not, because most people have never even seen any math, much less done any.

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  15. Not even just 'eventually' by DoctorNathaniel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pure research doesn't only pay off 'eventually'.. it pays off right now.

    First off, these fields aren't as dead as the SF article suggests: topology is a very big game right now with high-level particle theory. I don't pretend to understand it, but building 'topological field theories' is something people spend a good chunk of time trying to do. Although this research probably isn't directly applicable, it's neccessary to push a field generally before you get to something specifically good.

    (Of course, many would believe that theoretical particle physics has no application, either, and they wouldn't be entirely wrong.)

    Another point to make, though, and I can't stress this enough, is that pure research is valuable even if it leads to NO application, for several reasons:
    - It creates spin-off technologies. (In the case of mathematics, the 'technology' might be pretty abstract but still useful.)

    - It creates a vibrant research community, which is good for a vibrant teaching environment. (Debatable, but at least some people think so.)

    - It expands our knowledge of the universe /reality / human experience / art / imagination / etc.

    My favorite example: Even though Copernicus didn't really do anything for us but give us a few interplanetary probes, a useless moonshot of two, and slightly improved timetables, most people would be happy to know that the earth goes around the sun, not vice versa, not because it's USEFUL, but because it's TRUE.

    ---Nathaniel,
    Shooting his mouth off about his favorite topic.

    1. Re:Not even just 'eventually' by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

      Actually the sun does go around the earth. In fact, the whole universe spins around the earth. ;)

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    2. Re:Not even just 'eventually' by pmc · · Score: 2

      It creates a vibrant research community, which is good for a vibrant teaching environment. (Debatable, but at least some people think so.)

      Most people, I think, would say the opposite - a vibrant teaching environment creates a vibrant research environment. Stories of the Institute for Advanced Studies (a great physicists only place, where there were no students) indicates that with nobody around asking the "obvious" questions actually creates a sterile environment.

  16. Better than a nobel... by themaddone · · Score: 3, Informative

    What makes the Fields medal special, in case you don't know is that:

    a) There is no Nobel Prize for mathematics.

    b) The Fields Medal is only awarded once every four years, vs. every year for the Nobel.

    It's truly an achievement.

  17. CRCs detect errors, don't correct them by ^BR · · Score: 2, Informative


    And that do no good if you can't retransmit the information, eitheir because impractical (e.g. space probe really far away) or because you're reading from some damaged media (e.g. scratched CD). That's where error correcting code are used.
    You usually design you code to withstand some kind of error rate (e.g. 1% of the bits are reversed) and the right code can ensure by encoding data with some redundancy that your data comes intact.


    Old one used where things inspired by the work of guis like Hamming, Berlekamp, Massey, Reed and Solomon (used in satelite transmissions and CD reading). Sundan's work should be an improvement over that and will be used everywhere.

  18. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Madhu Sudan leaves an impressive trail of prestigious prizes in CS theory: ACM doctoral dissertation award in 1993, Godel Prize for Computer Science in 2001 and now the Nevanlinna Prize.

    The central theme of his work seems to concern finding approximate solutions to hard problems.

    A 1998 ACM journal paper by with Sudan as co-author showed that this can be done with high probability of success by inspecting only logarithmic number of random bits of the solution.
    The way they did this was by characterizing NP in a new way that integrates interacting computing agents with randomized computation.
    Then from this result on randomized proof-verification, they showed that a broad class of NP-hard problems called MAX-SNP problems are really hard! Meaning that solving these problems approximately is as hard as solving them fully.

    His paper on Reed-Solomon codes for error correction discovered an efficient algorithm for approximately recovering from too many errors in the received codeword. "Efficient" meaning that its running time is polynomially bounded and "too many" meaning the errors are more than the error-correcting capability of the code. For example maximum 2 errors can be corrected, then how do you efficiently recover from 5 errors?

  19. Changing the world by dmiller · · Score: 2

    I think it was Hitler who changed the world, and the book is only important because of his actions. Better examples of authors who changes the world would be Nietzsche, Muhammad, Huxley and Orwell.

  20. Fields page... by MarvinMouse · · Score: 2

    We need a cool funky page like the Nobel's Page for the Fields award. Currently we only have these text based ones because the people maintaining them are too busy working on math to create a cooler looking one. :-)

    It would be really cool to have a nice looking math page online. Something that will get people's attention.

    Does anyone know of a better looking and still accurate Field's page?

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  21. Three kinds of people by smlandreth · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are only three kinds of people in this world; those that can count, and those that can't.

  22. No such thing as "no practicle application" by BobRooney · · Score: 2, Informative

    'True to form, Lafforgue and Voevodsky's mathematical research has no known practical applications' A little over 100 years ago the study of artificial language, number theory, algorithms, etc. were little more than intillectual curiosities. Only in the past 50 years have we seen all these "theoretical" areas of study be thrust into the forefront of science and engineering. It seems a bit pretnentious and short-sighted to ignore discoveries or minimize their importance simply because we haven't learned enough as a society to figure out what those discoveries truly imply. Just mho

  23. Only 2? by reverseengineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm really surprised that only two Fields Medals were awarded this time around- at least three have been awarded every four years since 1974. Is Preda Mihailescu's proof of Catalan's Conjecture considered too recent for consideration? I'd think that sort of thing, combined with his work on noted hot topic primality would make him an attractive candidate.
    Of course, I'm sure they are many others who were also very deserving as well. No, I am not Dr. Mihailescu, and have never met him in fact; it's just when I saw that the Fields Medals were awarded, my first thought was, "I wonder if they gave one to that guy who proved Catalan's Conjecture?" As recent as the proof was (considering the slow, careful peer review that accompanies important purported mathematical proofs), I wasn't shocked to not see his named- I was far more surprised that the committee chose to not award the remaining two prizes to anyone.

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  24. Good Will Hunting by babyruth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Fields medal winners do have practical applications, like that guy in Good Will Hunting...

  25. Re:This has already been said, but... by Peter+T+Ermit · · Score: 2
    I agree that the SF Chronicle's piece wasn't terribly good, and that many reporters have no clue what they're doing. (Keay Davidson's actually a decent journalist; this was just not his best work.) However, your piece is far from a shining example of what science journalism should be, it seems your college paper didn't teach you that writing about science for the public is damn hard.

    Davidson had 400 words to write about three medalists, each in a different field of mathematics. Along with the explanation of what the medals are and why we should care (the reason for the throwaway 'it doesn't have any immediate applications' section), where the medalists are from, where and when the prizes were awarded, he has to explain what the three sets of research are about (defining terms as basic as "topology" along the way) *and* get an outside comment. That's incredibly difficult, and given the constraints, he did a credible job. Most of the other papers won't touch this subject because it's simply too hard to explain to the lay reader. At least Davidson tried. Give the guy a break.

  26. Not always by Jonathan · · Score: 2

    Not all new math follows the trend from theory to practice. Quite a lot goes the other way. Consider Claude Shannon's mathematical theory of communication. He created it to help reduce static on phone lines, but it turns out to have deep theoretical implications in many fields.

  27. Yeah, there are better ways to put it. by Nindalf · · Score: 2

    Topology is a psychiatric disorder characterized by the inability to distinguish between a donut and a coffee cup. Some theorists speculate that it may be caused by overexposure to university cafeterias, in which such distinctions are academic at best.