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Broadband To Hit The South Pole

Albanach writes: "According to this story from the BBC bids are being invited to lay a fibre-optic cable some 1600 kilometres over polar ice, linking researchers at the South Pole with the rest of the planet. Currently, researcher's communications rely upon older satellites that have drifted from their geostationary orbits into ones that are now at least partly visible from the pole. The new cable will be laid on top of the 4km ice cap, and will have to cope with repeated freezing and stretching as the ice moves."

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  1. Why not just use Iridium? by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Iridium is back up and running, covers the entire planet (the satellites are in low polar orbits) and the U.S. Government has a bulk buy deal on Iridium satellite minutes. (DoD now owns part of the system, having bought in after the bankruptcy.)

    1. Re:Why not just use Iridium? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Spending a quarter billion dollars of tax money to support web browsing for fifty people is a bit much"

      Do you think the people down there are just hanging out surfing the web?

      The station is there so that research can be done. Research generally results in data. Sometimes lots of it. It'd be nice to have a way to get it back up here relatively quickly (especially during the long winter when nobody can fly in or out) The longer you have to wait for some tapes to get flown back up here, the more time you'll lose not knowing that your experiment is busted.

  2. Not necessarily by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of laying the cable in a straight line, you lay it in S-shapes. Big S-shapes. That way, there's LOTS of slack, say 500% slack, for the ice sheet movement.

    Of course, you have to use a fairly flexible conduit -- copper piping should do nicely, as long as you can figure out how to make sure it doesn't kink too badly on compression. The S-shapes, again, would help, but a better material would be even better. Maybe copper line with a thick kevlar braid, along the lines of the braid used in a Chinese finger puzzle/trap.

    The Canadian Armed Forces has to recalibrate their microwave dishes every eight years or so up north for CFS Alert on Elsmere Island, because the ice moves. That gets expensive in the long run (Snowcats, helicopters, men), and would be MUCH worse for Antarctica.

    And finally, finding a break in the fiber wouldn't be too hard, ever heard of a time-delay reflectometer?

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  3. Re:Why not wireless? by splume · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, I think going wired is a great test to see if it can be done. If we happen to take this space exploration thing seriously, we are going to need to figure out how to keep cables from breaking in *much* colder regions (dark side of the moon). The research that comes out of this I think will be well spent

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  4. the ice shifts position! by ehackathorn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One interesting note: I think the ice shifts about 10 meters per year at the pole. Don't know what the rest of Antarctica is like, but it presents an interesting problem if they are planning on laying the cable on the ground...

  5. Wired Article by mclaugh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Last month, Wired ran an article about the new construction at the South Pole. It makes no mention of this fiber.
    As an Engineer for one of the Telephone Companies, I can tell you that fiber is stronger than you think. I had a pole get hit, knocking the cables the ground- a few 18 wheelers drove over the cables, partially crushing a copper cable. But, the two fiber cables were uninjured (part of their sheathing was shorn away, though).
    Still, running fiber to the South Pole is idiotic- think of how long (and how costly) the FLAG project was!

  6. Issues Point by Point by maggard · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Satellite

      Lovely solution, just one problem: They don't stay put.

      Sure over the equator they can orbit at the same rate the planet rotates and so appear "fixed" but that only works over that narrow ecliptic. Instead to cover extreme N. & S. latitudes one needs sats on a much more inclined orbit and then they're out of sight much of the time, a dozen or so would be required to provide continuous coverage. That means a couple of expensive launches, a serious of expensive sats, and of course their own-going management (course-corrections, problem resolution, etc.)

    2. Radio Repeaters

      Why not build a series of microwave repeaters or such, bring the cable to the shore then broadcast the rest of the way? A couple of reasons:

      1. Putting in place that many repeater stations across the Antarctic would be difficult. They'd need to be tall, durable (in super-cold weather), well-anchored, and able to compensate for slowly moving stations.
      2. Getting back to them to fix any problems would be well nigh impossible much of the year so lots of redundancy, increased complexity, etc.
      3. Where's the power to come from? There isn't any local grid to plug in to and as the Canadians & Siberians will attest running long power lines across extreme latitudes is difficult (no grounding, lots of electromagnetic effects from aural storms, etc.) Solar won't work for a few months a year plus there's the buildup problem, burning hydrocarbons wouldn't be allowed plus would require regular refueling, and radiothermal seems very unlikely.

    3. Fiberoptic Cable

      Yes fiber isn't the most robust material on its own. On the other hand it can be clad in all sorts of super-durable materials to protect it.

      To protect from stretching the fiber might be coiled inside an outer cladding so it's 2x or 3x as long as required. Or it could be threaded through an outer cladding (think 'garden hose') so it can slide back and forth under slight tension between 1km "reservoir" loops.

      Of course there's still the problem of powering the repeaters, but then that's why this contract is out there: To get folks interested in solving the problem.

    Hmm, what would the Thunderbirds have done?

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  7. Re:Not Not necessarily by glueball · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The theories posed here are interesting. One fact has not been stated:

    Things you build on ice or tundra or whatever froze will sink below the ice surface. Re-adjustments because the ice is moving???? Not always.

    Look at the houses / buildings built on arctic areas. They are on stilts. That is to they can:

    1.) Insulate themselves from the ground. Not to make the inside warmer, but to keep the outside cooler. The heat from someting will cause the ground to melt.

    2.) They can jack up the stilts of the building/house after it does sink.

    A cable on ice will be, IMHO, thrashed. The ice moves, opens, and closes. Steel cables to protect it? No way. Not strong enough. And then put something heavy ( the copper pipe idea ) on the ice? The pipe will create heat on the ice just by being there. And then it will sink.

    This idea needs more thought.

    I was in Longyearbyen, Svalbard ( 4 hour flight north of Norway ) last week. I've seen it first hand. They were digging up a cable in the center of town last week because the cable was shifting. Putting this cable down was like building a road. Layers of big rocks, layers of small rocks, then paper, then the cable.

    This was in an area of tundra, not ice. The ice would be worse. And 1500 km? I'd hate to be the guy in the service truck on that account.

    Bill