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August Netcraft Results - Apache up 6%, MS IIS down 6%

An Onimous Cow Herd writes "Augusts Netcraft Web survey results are now out. This month's results show a dramatic upsurge of nearly 6% for Apache and a corresponding drop for MS IIS! At this point, Apache's decline has dramatically reversed, regaining the ground it lost to IIS starting mid-2001 and currently Apache's market share stands the highest since Netscraft started their monthly surveys."

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  1. Hard to believe by bwt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It seems to me a hard thing to believe that a swing that big could happen in a month. Anybody have any explaination for how it happened.

    Maybe people are finally deploying the new version of Apache? Or is this just sampling error?

    1. Re:Hard to believe by highcaffeine · · Score: 2, Informative

      Domain name parking.

      It happens every once in a while. Places like Register.com, Verisign, et. al. that put up those "site coming soon," "buy this domain for $x," and other messages switch their web server software every so often. Don't ask me why they do it exactly, but when it happens it can create a very sudden change in the numbers.

      This report, I believe, had a note that one of those domain name parkers switched to Apache from IIS, which probably accounted for at least a noticable chunk of the 6% swing.

    2. Re:Hard to believe by jkramar · · Score: 2, Informative
      If you read the article, one of the first sentences you would read would be:
      Microsoft loses around 6% share this month, as register.com continues to fluctuate between using a Windows and Linux front end, and homestead.com, which originally based its business model on support from advertising, cleared away over a million sites.
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    3. Re:Hard to believe by sab39 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Try reading the actual survey. The Ominous Cow Herd and the /. editor that posted this should have done the same thing, and realised that it's not so significant, but that would be asking way too much for /. :)

      What it boils down to is that a couple of mega-hosting-companies that host thousands upon thousands of domains have made changes that have a disproportionate effect due to the sheer number of sites hosted on their systems.

      The survey also shows results for "active domains" which are much more realistic, and while these still show a gain for Apache, it's much more modest and therefore more believable. But it doesn't make for such good headlines...

      Stuart.

    4. Re:Hard to believe by DustMagnet · · Score: 2, Interesting
      You are right that "active domains" is a more accurate pictures, but what I found most interesting is that Microsoft actually lost sites under active domains, while Apache picked up almost twice that loss.

      I hate misleading catchy titles too. Slashdot is almost as bad as the tech section on abcnews.com.

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  2. Can't argue with the numbers, but... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 2

    ..what this survey won't tell you is what products are being used for truly mission critical, complex, back-end processing (high, medium, or low volume). That's where companies will spend their money on licensing (not as important for OS obviously), support, training, etc.

    So, yes, this is a victory for Apache, but it's a bit hollow. What's the point of having all the market share if very few people make not very much money on it?

    One could say that I'm expecting too much of these numbers, and that might appear to be true. But let's not forget how many times the Netcraft numbers have appeared here and how often people will gloat about Apache's figures.

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    1. Re:Can't argue with the numbers, but... by Da+VinMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "But some people play this game only to build the best web server possible."

      I suppose it's debatable, but I'll argue that market share has nothing to do with having the best product.

      I believe that many people on /. look at the Apache numbers as some sort of "is Microsoft dead?" meter. They seem to think that if Apache can maintain a big enough market share for long enough, that it will either kill Microsoft or make Microsoft irrelevant. There's no doubt that it could hurt Microsoft's a teeny bit, but that's about it.

      But don't worry too much. If you select web servers based on how many people make how much money off you, then you can still choose (what I presume to be) the leader by that criteria.

      Exactly! And what I'm saying here is that Apache may or may not be a valuable part of many companies' mission critical applications. To me, that's valuable. Just knowing how many functioning instances of Apache are out there isn't too valuable for most businesses in my opinion.

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    2. Re:Can't argue with the numbers, but... by redwoodtree · · Score: 2

      I can tell you right now that my multi-billion dollard ecommerce site uses strictly Apache.

    3. Re:Can't argue with the numbers, but... by siskbc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, market share doesn't necessarily mean best product, it's not like netcraft publishes a pro/con review anyway.

      There's no doubt that it could hurt Microsoft's a teeny bit, but that's about it.
      More than a teeny bit, considering that they make a lot more money off of business apps than home apps. You don't think Bill would love the server market? That's where they are currently devoting the greatest share of their attention.

      And what I'm saying here is that Apache may or may not be a valuable part of many companies' mission critical applications.
      Maybe maybe maybe...for people who have used both, they will almost unanimously tell you that apache is MUCH more stable and secure. If you have something mission-critical, you run it on apache. End of story. Throw some stats otherwise if you have them, but you likely won't find them.

      No way in hell I'd use IIS. I could show you server logs of how many CodeRed-style viruses have hit my server (to no avail of course - many before Norton can patch them. Had I been using IIS - kablooie!

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    4. Re:Can't argue with the numbers, but... by Baconator · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I believe that many people on /. look at the Apache numbers as some sort of "is Microsoft dead?" meter.

      Actually, I think of it as more of a "has Microsoft taken over everything in the known universe?" meter... or maybe a "is the idea of Free Software in the business world actually tenable" meter.

      Apache, much like the old BSD TCP/IP, is one of those shining success stories in the Free Software world, so I think it's all right if people cheer when it does well in a fluffy survey with pretty graphs. Of course I guess it would be pretty damn silly to have a Netcraft-style survey of networking protocol suites, but I would still cheer to see that TCP went from 99.87% to 99.88% this month :)

  3. Read the Fine Print by SQL+Error · · Score: 3, Informative

    From Netcraft's site:

    Around the Net

    Microsoft loses around 6% share this month, as register.com continues to fluctuate between using a Windows and Linux front end, and homestead.com , which originally based its business model on support from advertising, cleared away over a million sites. Homestead recently raised $5M from its investors to assist its transition to a paid for serivces model. To complete a bad news month for Microsoft's share of the survey, Reuters reports that the Federal Trade Commission will investigate the relationship between Verisign and Interland with respect to marketing domain names. The NSI domain parking system hosted at Interland is the other large repository of parked sites on the Microsoft platform. Earlier in the year large numbers of sites were reaped at Namezero, which had a controversial relationship with NSI regarding reselling domain names.

  4. Hits/Server Type by zmalone · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It would be interesting to know what kind of traffic each web server tends to take. It just seems to me that the end user perspective would be important here. If 90% of the machines out there run IIS, but the average person mostly accesses Apache machines, which would you say is the dominant server software?

    Unfortunatly, I cannot think of an easy way to do any such overview.

  5. Diversity generally a good thing... by dpilot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While one may argue that a web composed of Apache servers is more secure than a web composed of IIS, it's better yet to have a plurality of servers. I know we're not down to one or even two servers, yet. But we should keep in mind that "World Domination" by a web server (or even OS) is not a particularly good outcome.

    It's unfortunate that the computing industry has this completely stupid "One Leader" mindset. First it was IBM, then Microsoft, and even if Linux is a more benign "One Leader" than the other two, it's the "One" in there that's flawed.

    We need to re-orient our heads a bit, and IMHO the Linux camp is almost as guilty as the Windows camp. Mitigating factor, at least the Linux camp begrudges *BSD the right to exist, but is it any better than the Windows/Mac relationship?

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  6. The Virtuous Cycle by cpeterso · · Score: 4, Insightful


    The emergence of a de facto standard is inevitable. It's called the Virtuous Cycle. Users and vendors are more likely to use and invest in the market leader, which increases is market lead. Rinse and repeat. For better or worse, that's why Windows rules the desktop today. It's easier and cheaper to just support one standard.

  7. Ah... look again by stonewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you look down the page for the number of active websites instead of the number of total websites you see that Apache gained 1.43% and IIS lost 0.51%

    There is a lot of difference between active sites and "parked" inactive sites. On the netcraft site you can find a good discussion of the difference between total sites and active sites.

    The 6% swing seems to be the result of some major web parking sites switching to Apache.

    I love to see open source advance, but we need to be as honest as possible in selecting statistics to present.

    Stonewolf

    1. Re:Ah... look again by Spudley · · Score: 2

      I love to see open source advance, but we need to be as honest as possible in selecting statistics to present.

      It's hard to be honest with statistics when everyone around you is being dishonest with them. As soon as you put a percent sign or something next to your figures, people seem to believe it without question.

      Anytime there's a survey with a figure that even marginally supports Microsoft, it will be played up as much as possible by them, which makes it difficult to compete if you stick to honest stats.

      Along the same lines, take a look at the megahertz ratings on PCs and see how the public treat them - the figures are almost completely meaningless, but people still use them as one of the major determining factors in which PC to buy. So what has AMD done? They've tried to rig their side of the equation.

      All is fair in love and war... and the computer business definitely counts as a war these days.

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    2. Re:Ah... look again by g4dget · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft cites the same statistics when the wind blows their way. And it is meaningful when a large site that parks domains decides that IIS doesn't fit the bill.

  8. Other news by Snafoo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Other holds steady at 12%.

    Although not as popular as Apache and IIS, Other offers an incredibly scalable and diverse development platform; and although its share may wax and wane over time, it never drops to zero: In Other surveys of Other products and markets, not once has any Other competitor been successful at completely eliminating this tenacious brand. (Some Independent checks by Some Independent regulatory body ensured that the numbers remained accurate, although that Some-body could not be reached for comment.)

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  9. Re:Internal Networks by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    This survey also doesn't cover large corporate internal networks.

    It doesn't cover small corporate intranets either!

    I had a contrating gig last year with a large pharma - they were using Netscape Enterprise on HP-UX. For some reason Netscape Enterprise seems to be very popular with VERY large companies; General Electric etc.

  10. apache by GoatPigSheep · · Score: 2

    yes, apache rocks. I run it on my win2k server and it is stable as a rock, go apache!

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