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graveyhead writes "Most everyone here should remember the Dmitri Skylarov fiasco last year. Apparently ElcomSoft, the company Dmitry works for, is not intimidated by Adobe or the DMCA. Wired is running this story that describes ElcomSoft's upcoming products, most of which could be interpreted as a violation of the DMCA. What's particularly interesting is that this announcement comes right at the beginning of the trial which is scheduled to begin on August 26."
to know how far can FBI go to protect the big guys in commercial world. I thought they won't use such plan to sue people who have killed citizens in US, but would use such plan to sue people who've only knocked down a commerical bodies' interest...
Their business is in Russia. Russia doesn't have anything to do with the DMCA neither will they ever.
Maybe that's the reason there are so many financially poor scientists in Russia.
Why is this interesting?
Trials are expensive. They are going to have to get the money from somewhere.
And Microsoft has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you can get away with a lot while you drag out the court case. At least for a while.
Never trust an atom. They make up everything.
HI MOM!
Corporations run the government, why because they have money.
Isn't sad that what "We the People" built for "We the People" isn't being used for the benefit of "We the People" but instead the benefit of greedy executives at corporations who want to control "We the People" and have bought out the majority of the government that "We the People" voted in.
Please I'm begging you, let me die before the day I can't take a piss without paying piss tax!
You know, I have one simple request. And that is to have sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
Council in this case is singular, so you should have said... (Also, watch your captilisation, and let's spell centre correctly.)
...", is stylistically better. Because is an ugly word to start a sentence with.
"Because of the congestion in the city centre, the council has built a bypass"
This is correct, but a little clumsy. "As a result of the
If you wanted to emphasis the effect rather than the cause (the bypass being built rather than the congestion) you might want to switch the sentence round. As it is, though, Cause -> Effect is fine.
In addition to what the other guy said, it is worth phrasing it in such a way that it is clear that the council has caused a bypass to be built, and not constructed it themselves.
Thank you !
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And if I say
"You must alwways give way to pedestrians on a Zebra crossing " ?
Thank you again, do you want to learn French ?
Today is a Dilbert mission statement day, clearly. Alternatively, our IT world is falling into a bubble again.
If that Adobe e-book is protected by industry-standard level cryptography, then that industry is in deep trouble.
Why does everyone have to try to do their own "industry-standard" there would have been many valid INDUSTRY-STANDARD cryptography tools with which these problems would not have never even surfaced.
always and zebra (this isn't German!), but yes!
Also, thanks for the offer, but I am currently learning Swedish.
Now we all need to be brave like Dmitri and stand up to the linux fraud and expose it for the unstable (needs new vm and filesystems) OS that it has been for the past 10 years while it set back the state of computing reimplementing what's already in BSD.
yes, ElcomSoft sells spam software! You are sleeping with the enemy.
When a corrupt goverment exploits the people for
the benefit of their patronage, the inevitable
result is violence. Injustice is the primary
cause of violence. When injustice is
institutionalized, vigilantism and revolution
are the only recourse.
I know this will bite me in moderation, but
the truth will out.
-I like my women like I like my tea: green-
vitaly: da
thomas: ti chopalis
vitaly: da
thomas: hey sent me the new tech 14k4 modem you got
vitaly: da
jurie: hey pazan you got a new modem what kind of type ?
vitaly: it's a anatoly wurkov com 14k4 with the new KGB chipset
jurie: hey that sound's nice but you know that our high tech lines can do only 2k4?
vitaly: da
thomas: yeah i wish i can live in USA or EUROPE where we can use real computers
vitaly: da
jurie: yea you are so right, i am sick running this cyrillic shit version of windows 2000 that vitaly cracked some weeks ago
vitaly: yeah da
jurie: the world is so fucking gay
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ElcomSoft should thank the US Government for the free PR. I needed to recover a lost Outlook password for a customer and wasn't familiar with any of the available tools. A quick Google search turned up about 1,000 different programs. Which did I trust? The one produced by a company I knew about - ElcomSoft. The tool worked perfectly.
I am sure that I am not the only sale for ElcomSoft that came about in this manner.
> I am currently learning Swedish.
Why would anyone want to do that?
>> I am currently learning Swedish.
> Why would anyone want to do that?
Three words:
bork bork bork
Russia has a law on copyright. It has some good and bad points. But it is particularly weird on what concerns software copies. It seems that the guys who wrote this part had a pretty good knowledge on how programs work and interact.
Let me note a few important points:
1. You can reverse engineer a program for private purposes.
You can use the results of your "hacks" on a product you distribute/sell if:
The "hack" does not contain parts of the original software.
The "hack" adds a functionality not contained on the original software or allows third party programs to interact with the original software.
The "hack" does not create a situation where the original author suffers a significative material loss.
There are also a few things in Russian laws that concern protection and privacy and which are related to software products. Frankly, in the whole there are some chances to distribute programs that circumvent copy protection mechanisms if these mechanisms are too dumb and made by nerds. No court will hear you if you cannot prove that you did made a good effort to protect your program, system or network.
The case with ElcomSoft is quite interesting. Even under Russian law they are beating the very edge of the law. But if they can prove in court that Adobe's security does not cost a penny, then Adobe has no chance to shut up these guys. The judicial system is not perfect but in some cases, dumb security is no more than dumb security. Besides Russian law is quite rough on what concerns certain things like licenses. If a software publisher brings a license like Microsft's EULA (even old ones), then court session might end just on reading that EULA. As they do not conform to the copyright laws in Russia.
Not long ago, somewhere around here there was a tremendous copyright scandal between two companies. One company accused the other of stealing their proprietary designs on some web application. When in court, the thing ended in a few minutes. Why? Well these two companies had an agreement to produce a common product. However when things went bad the agreement was torned off and the defendent just grabbed the whole product and started to use it somehwere else. The accusant brought the case to court on the grounds that they broke in the their site and stealed the thing. There were lots of mumblings as what part of the work belonged to whom as the two companies didn't make an effort to clarify its authorship on the project. However, when the court discovered that the defendant had a read/write Internet connection offered by the accusant for their work and that account was still open, the judge just replied with a "case closed" declaration. The accusant tried to protest but the judge explained that if you are so dumb to produce a work and not making anything to protect it, then no court in Russia would hear them. After this the accusant retired its claims and even didn't try to appeal.
I still don't see how this is any different than DeCSS. Except this is a company in Russia instead of an individual in Norway. "Software users are entitled by Russian law to make backup copies of software and electronic documents, exactly what the eBook processor allows owners of Adobe eBooks to do." Why have the courts been so stubborn over DeCSS?
at least they've found something they're good at, and they're sticking to it.
That's about the best goal a corporation could have, i guess.
I hope that ElcomSoft wins. Even more it would be nice if Russan law allows ElcomSoft to sue for legal expenses afterward.
Your whole post wast sophomoric gibberish.
Ceterum censeo subscriptionem esse delendam.
is that all of their products are copyrighted.
You're rambling a lot of stuff that apparently has you very emotional, but I don't understand a word of it. What are you trying to say?
There is no correct spelling of this guy's name in Latin letters, only in Cyrillic letters. I'd be interested in how it's spelled in Cyrillic if somebody knows and would like to post... (and Slashdot speaks Unicode...)
Elcomsoft's #1 competitor is Access Data based in Orem, UT. I've known people who worked for them and they say they aren't concerned about the FBI coming after them because the FBI is a major user of their software.
That doesn't change the fact that their software techinically violates the DMCA.
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Russia still has an autocratic government accountable to no one. And it's even more corrupted than it was (I'd say by a factor of 10). They can't also steal trade secrets anymore. Most of Russian software, processors and DSP's came right from Intelligence. Some space and military technologies, too. Heck, I was told by my university professor (in Russia) that we couldn't make our first military satellites because the technology was stolen and american ones used better components. We just didn't (and still don't) make components of such a high quality.
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In Finland, learning Swedish is mandatory in schools. Nobody likes it. Nobody really knows why it should be taught. But hey, it's just history. =)
They're working on something for MS Reader.
:-)
Anybody got any more info on this please ?
If this bypasses DRM5 I'm a happy bunny...
The best way to oppose the DMCA is to give directly to viable political candidates who oppose it.
Tripp Helms is such a candidate, but he isn't a one issue candidate.
The secret is finding a contested race. Take a look a little deeper on the site (at the articles from Roll Call and local newspapers) and feel free to send the candidate email asking why he can win (hint: North Carolina just went through redistricting. Though Howard Coble is safe, careful hacking of the ArcInfo files put Robin Hayes, a DMCA supporter that Tripp is running against) in a new district that is majority democratic.
This is the sort of FUD that MPAA lobbyists feed the media. The DMCA is an unfair and possibly unconstitutional extension of copyright law. ElcomSoft's products stay within pre-DMCA copyright law and are not designed to violate the rights of copyright holders; in fact. Just because their products violate an questionable law in a foreign country does not mean that they have total disregard for copyright law.
That's a pretty novel concept of dealing with spam. Protect your e-mail address and Just Hit Delete if spam still starts rolling in. I might have heard it before. Let me think. Ah yes, I remember, it's a spammer that I heard it from.
:-)
Ever notice that with more and more protection on Web forums, communication becomes progressively harder? Ever had to console a staff member who wound up at a spammers list, gets the most horrible porn spam, and feels personally targeted? What do you say? Tell her to grow up?
I don't know where you got the notion that Big Companies were clamoring for opressive laws against spam. Most efforts against spam are grassroots efforts by sysadmins, after being deluged by users with requests to stop the tide of spam. As a result, many places on the Internet reject mail from known spam sources. This blacklisting is just about the only thing that keeps all of the 1,000,000 small businessmen in the US from shelling out $50 to "reach" millions of "potential customers". Do the math on how much time you'd be spending hitting delete if that changed.
Back to the topic: the legality of spamming aside, the whole David vs Goliath battle just doesn't present the nice and innocent view of a 1st amendment advocate being sued by the big ugly corporation. I'd prefer the DMCA to be brought down by someone in a respectable line of business. Have a look at the Elcomsoft spam product and try to figure out how it assists an "e-mail marketeer" to get good quality leads from an interested audience. It doesn't. It's designed to ram the messages down unwilling recipients throats, using hijacked servers to make sure the message can't be traced back to the sender.
Free speech? Yeah right. Speech isn't free when it comes postage due.
I'm happy Dmitri is back home, because (alas) spamming doesn't appear to be illegal, and the reasons for his kidnap are inexcusable. But if DMCA is to be brought down, the test case had better be with someone of a better standing with regards to the community.
Not my style to post anonymously, but I've had enough death threats from Russian spammers over the last months already, thank you very much.
chec the "Utility to Remedy fileOpen PDF Encryption" at this site
They do not have DMCA?!?! Bomb them into the stone age!!!
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