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Pentium 4 2.8GHz
DigitaBiscuit writes "The new 2.8GHz Pentium 4 has been officially launched by Intel today.
Sporting a 533MHz System Bus, this new P4 looks to put the hurt on AMD's new Athlon XP 2600+. Benchmarks and a full review with
performance versus AMD's new chip,
can be found here." The NDAs must be expiring today, since we already have another review submitted as well.
You know, system speed is not all about what frequency your CPU is clocked at. The memory system (FSB speed, cache size) matters too!
This is, IMHO, what all these benchmarks show. It is no surprise that a Pentium FSB running at 533 MHz can beat an Athlon with a FSB at 266 MHz. I'm actually more impressed that the Athlon managed to beat the Pentium on some benchmarks.
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barring the fact that Intel will ALWAYS be one CPU RELEASE ahead of AMD (which is fine, I'd never buy the absolutely latest of either, your an idiot to pay exponentially higher for THE most current processor from either)
...WITH OUT A DOUBT, IN NAME AND IN PRICE.
that aside lets look at the facts (from most benchmarks)
1. Your statement, Jacer, looks pretty much dead wrong. How can you explain that a CPU that has a lower CPU frequency AND a freaken lower bus frequency, perform as good or better then it's competition.
because jacer, i look at each cpu release from both intel and amd, and i examine the COST, and which model is supposed to compete with each other.
for example: just a gross comparison
US $146 athlon xp2200
US $246 p4 2200/533
a quick look at ANY site with benchmarks shows that the xp2200 actually holds up VERY WELL against the p4 2200/533.
whether INTEL likes it or not, AMD targeted the p4 2200 with the XP 2200
if the P4 cpu and 533 bus is so superior.....
i'd like to see where..
show me you prick. show me where the 533 is making a dramatic difference.
if anything, the only thing i see, is that INTEL can release one step quicker on their speediest cpu.
$546 - Pentium 4 2.8GHz from pricewatch
no thanks, i'll pass on the latest $600 cpu from Intel.
i can build an ENTIRE system for that much money, and it will perform within 20% of a p4 2.8
Good article with benchmarks over at Aces Hardware
What I like is how the AMD 2600+ is very close on most games either 1-2FPS behind or ahead, and the 2800+ isnt out yet. Go AMD! P4 2.8 $570 or AMD 2600+ $265
This is offtopic but may help someone get a job/raise/girlfriend/wife/life
) . Bad attittudes and latest greatest belong only in programming. IS/IT are service fields where a good personality goes a hell of a lot further and having the latest-greatest attitude. Furthermore, anyone can throw money around and get a great computer system, but it takes true creativity to get the most out of what you have/need.
When I hire nerds for IS/IT, I do not hire the extremely geeky, I know everything and can recode linux to run your washing machine types. I do also not hire the people with the latest greatest technical knowledge or with the longest list of capital acronyms on their resume.
I would not hire someone if I knew they had the latest greatest hardware at home, simply case and point being that the sound obsessive. Spending hard earned money constantly for maginal improvement does not sound like the kind of employee I would want working for me... and you may make the point, it's my money fuck you, but I make the point #1. obbsesives at home are obsessives at work.
#2. I have all the money, as your employer.
It's fine to spend money on technology, but here is a lesson to go along with that attitude. A healthy-systemwide RAM upgrade and the rest of the money spend on user-training would be 10x as effective as the latest greatest anything.
"If I were an employer, I'd be suspicious of hiring any computer professional (and maybe you are not one, I don't know) who was using antiquated hardware and saw no reason to upgrade. I'd be looking at that and asking myself "if this guy has so little interest in computers that he's running an ancient POS like that, how much enthusiasm can I expect from him in a technical position?""
That's like saying if my mechanic didn't drive a expensive car, I wouldn't hire him. Many many many people in management see there as a lot more to life than going home to sit in the same position you sat all day, staring at another screen. They value something called balance. Breadth. Experience. I would much rather take someone with who was not as technically savvy, but had hobbies and a diverse lifestyle over the King Overclocker ot the Universe for the simple reason you can teach someone computers, but the King Overclocker will always have an arrogant attitude. Get the point? the specifics can be taught to anyone with a good grasp of the basics, technically, but it's a lot harder to break a geek of his (arrogance/condecision/asociality/pensiveness/etc
Just think of it this way... If I was to UNDER-clock this processor to your speed (400MHz) it would run so cool that it would actually ABSORB HEAT!!! Take THAT, all you physists!
But seriously though, I'm running a 750MHz Athlon system myself. I had to upgrade from my 233 because I just couldn't watch any videos at that speed. Now, I'm resonably happy with 750MHz, but I would like to upgrade. I'd like to get a fast processor and underclock it so my system doesn't run at 150F degrees (underclock a fast processor enough, and you wouldn't even need a fan). I'd also like a faster processor just so I can do thing like encode DivX at a reasonable speed, and compile Mozilla in under a month.
Which brings us to the biggest issue. So many people jump on the upgrade bandwagon because many programmers are using up ungodly ammounts of CPU and Memory. It's relatively few causing the problems, but for Unix, programs like Mozilla are practically required. So, even surfing the web brings my 750 to it's knees. Hopefully the Dillo project will add the handful of needed features to their browser soon, and I'll be able to trash Mozilla, and be happy with my 750 again.
Slashdot gets worse every day... Pipedot: News for nerds, without the corporate slant
...anything made by Via is junk...
Just like AMD Themselves with their old performance issues with Floating Point Math, VIA have had some poor chipsets in the past, however, the KT333 as used on the ABit AT7 Motherboard is exceptionally stable - I have a Linux Server with 8x80GB Maxtor IDE Disks arrayed to one 640GB disk which (aside from a driver problem for the Highpoint 374 controller, which is nothing to do with the KT333 or the AMD CPU) runs perfectly.
I'm actually quite keen to get my hands on the new A Bit KT7-MAX2, which has the KT400 chipset, and a host of extra features not present on the original AT7
I can think of a number of other VIA / AMD motherboards which I have used, and found to be exceptionally stable, most notable of which is the ABit KT7A and ABit KT7A-RAID.
In short, if you put aside the past of both AMD and VIA, and look again at the technical specs, and real-world performance of these CPU's and Chipsets, you will find that they are both now a viable, low-cost, alternative to the traditional Intel Only way of thinking and working.
Disclaimer: I meant what I thought, not what I wrote! What? You can't read my Mind? Oh dear!