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Mr Anti-Google

MrNovember writes "Salon is running a story on some guy named Daniel Brandt who they call "Mr. Anti-Google." Mr. Brandt runs a sort of anti-establishment database of citations called NameBase as well as Google Watch. He claims that Google's PageRank system is undemocratic primarily because it doesn't rank his NameBase information very highly. He also points out that Google maintains a log of all you've ever searched for associated with a long-term cookie. Google's system seems to work the best if you ask me but, on the other hand, link popularity may not provide the most intelligent top rankings."

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  1. Oh, I see by override11 · · Score: 5, Funny

    And I think the Us Monetary system is unfair because I dont have enough of it!!!

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  2. we'll fix that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    1. Re:we'll fix that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      Nope, that's not how google works -- it's better if they're links from similar words. (with your example, basically, Google associates "few," "links," "wil," ... etc., with Namebase, which ends up a mishmash.) It's better for many sites to link to a site with the same word

      Okay, I'll fix it:

      nutcase, nutcase, nutcase, nutcase, nutcase, nutcase,....

  3. It isn't like he's the COS or anything by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1, Funny

    So he feels let down that no one is interested in linking to his site? Is that what this is all about?

    It isn't like Google is going out of their way to bump him down the list.

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  4. Chances are... by CampbellXL · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...he'd increase his page ranking on google if he removed the little tin foil hats from his servers.

  5. I HATE GOOGLE by greymond · · Score: 3, Funny

    yeah I hate google because:

    1) When I type in my name IT DOESNT SHOW IT!

    2) My websites are not listed #1 NO MATTER WHAT YOU TYPE IN!

    3) There image search doesn't have PHOTOS OF ME!

    4) I hat all other search engines for THE SAME REASONS!

    wa wa wa......

  6. Hmm, that's odd... by zaren · · Score: 2, Funny

    His site isn't loading for me. Guess I'll have to go Google's cache to - oh, wait a minute... it's not in there! How rare!

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  7. Oh, the humanity by dallen · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just tried visiting google-watch.org, but it seems to be down ("document contains no data"). So I google for it.

    Caching has been disabled for the site.

  8. I like google by cpex · · Score: 3, Funny

    Google is a very good search engine. And I don't know what the hell this Mr. Anti-Google is talking about, "undemocratic" everyoney knows google is powered by pigeon clustetrs, millions of pigeons voting on the relevant sites

  9. Slashdotted... or something more siniester... by autopr0n · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hrm, both namebase and googlewatch seem to be down. Is this just an innocent slashdoting?

    Or have the Google gods turned their clusters towards more sinister deeds, silencing their critics.

    We may never know.

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  10. Re:Gee wow by prnz · · Score: 3, Funny

    So this link from /. should help him out quite a bit? Hooray for everybody!

    I don't know about everybody. It might draw him here and the next thing you know, he'll have a site called slashdot-watch.com to complain that his posts aren't being modded up to 5.

    Paul

  11. In other news by lingqi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Google responds by stating that now all of their pigeons will go through an "intruduction to democracy" short course, and all "bird seed" websites are now ranked by humans instead of the patented "pigeon rank" system.

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  12. Cranky, but not entirely off... by Angst+Badger · · Score: 4, Funny
    Brandt sounds like a whiny crank who is rather missing the point. OTOH, he is correct that Google applies a persistent tracking ID via cookies, which I had not previously noticed, and about which I'm not terribly happy. And no, I don't think Google has any sinister motives, and I wouldn't be surprised if they use the tracking ID in some way to enhance the effectiveness of their engine --- but having my searches tracked in any way still makes me uncomfortable. I'd like to hear why it is being done.

    In the meantime, anyone who would like to cover their tracks can use my cookie:

    .google.com TRUE / FALSE 2147368045 PREF ID=111439b95052c72a:TM=1030056425:LM=1030056425:S= v7T9QSFKEkI

    Of course, if it turns out that Google is planning to give a prize to the most active user, or they have some kind of search engine green stamps, you're screwed. ;)

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    1. Re:Cranky, but not entirely off... by tswinzig · · Score: 3, Funny

      Brandt sounds like a whiny crank who is rather missing the point. OTOH, he is correct that Google applies a persistent tracking ID via cookies, which I had not previously noticed, and about which I'm not terribly happy.

      You're right, this is terrifying!

      I can see the google conversations now:

      Employee: Sir, our servers have indicated person #111439b95052c72a has a really interesting search pattern! I think we should send this info to the FBI for investigation!

      Boss: Good work! Tell me his name and address, and we'll send that info over to the feds right away.

      Employee: Ummm, name and address? How about a few dozen IP addresses from AOL's proxy servers instead?

      Boss: Doh.

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  13. Searches before Google was operational... by HungWeiLo · · Score: 2, Funny

    Search: Netherlands history
    Result: Teen Catholic barely-legal sluts from Holland!

    Search: Mali Timbuktu empire
    Result: Malian Cum-Slurping Sluts! Timbuktu Kama Sutra Style Mature Singles Waiting For You!

    Thank goodness Google is here, even if it's not 100% perfect.

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  14. Oh dear. by Kythorn · · Score: 2, Funny

    I am apparently unable to form coherent sentences while trying to type around the chili I spilled on my keyboard.

    Please disregard the horrible mangling of the English language which took place in the parent comment.

  15. I deciphered the contents of Google's cookie by cyb3r0ptx · · Score: 2, Funny

    The cookie is named 'PREF' and has some cryptic data stored in it. It took me a while, but this is what it says:

    All your search terms are belong to us
  16. Oh my god! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    A web search engine favours established and reputable sites?!?!?!?!!! Why was I not informed! All this time I have been using Google to search for unreputable, poorly constructed websites that nobody likes! I've been mislead!

    Really, can someone go and LART this guy? He sounds like he was given a computer for Christmas, and found this thar Worldy Widey Web thingy, but now hes pissed because it doesn't quite work as he expected.

  17. Google to the rescue... by alancave · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ironically, when www.namebase.org was /.ed, I found a google cached snapshot of the site...

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  18. Well.... Misson Accomplished by frenchs · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now that he's being slashdotted (I get DNS not found) I'm sure that he won't be getting ranked by *anybody* for at least a few hours... heh

    -Steve

  19. Re:Let me get this straight by bigmouth_strikes · · Score: 2, Funny
    This guy's just whining because Google doesn't rank pages according to his crackheaded counterculture views? And this is news?
    No, but since it was in Salon it had to be reposted on /. Sorry, we don't make the rules.

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  20. Re:Trying to get on Google by bonch · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think of Google like a mirror; it just reflects what it sees. If your site is good enough, people will link to it, regardless if it's listed on Google or not. You don't need Google to get your site viewed. How did we ever get popular websites before Google? Such things as word-of-mouth, IRC, etc. are ways people can spread their URLs. Google isn't the only medium out there to get your site seen, and my point is that you shouldn't be relying on Google, because it's just a mirror.

  21. Hypocrite by djward · · Score: 2, Funny

    He's so worried about privacy and such, why did my search at Namebase.org get truncated because "No one at has donated money to namebase"? The site noted and probably logged my IP, looked up my organization in its database, and found that it had not donated to his cause.

    Fsck him.

  22. Re:Pointless complaints (cookies, article) by Hott+of+the+World · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Is it just me, or did anyone enjoy/learn from that article?"

    What, you actually read the articles?
    sheesh, whats next, perfect grammer and spelling?

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  23. Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54 by bopo · · Score: 3, Funny
    Blockquoth the poster:
    This is probally gonna cost me some karma but screw it. I have to ask the question.
    Why do you exist?
    One of my favorite quotes about people like this, courtesy of rec.arts.comics:

    Where do these people come from? Is there an agency out there that reads the Net and says "Oops, not enough morons on this group," and then assigns some slack jawed, inbred, grit-eatin' stooge to gum up the works?
    - Jim Cowling

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  24. Re:google is VERY democratic in nature... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Funny
    Hey, didn't you read the article? The anti-google guy is an old 60s-style anti-establishment leftist. If you don't agree with him, you're a FASCIST, MAN! You're just HELPING THE SYSTEM keep us down! Google is undemocratic just like CAPITALISM is undemocratic! It's shameful that the top search result on google doesn't list his site higher, and something MUST BE DONE!

    To Salon's discredit, they appear to agree with this idiot, evidently finding some sort of nostalgia in his fact-averse crusade.

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