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FreeBSD Developers' Want List

mbadolato writes "FreeBSD.org has set up a donations page with a list of items that need, in order to further development efforts. Mind you, this is a normal needs list in terms of equipment, and not a want list such as the crew in Sneakers provided to the government... ;-) From the page: 'This page lists various developer hardware needs. If you are interested in supporting the FreeBSD Project, you might consider donating some piece of hardware on this list to the Project. We provide the FreeBSD username of the developer who needs a resource, the country they are in (for shipping purposes), the equipment they desire, and the use to which that equipment will be put. For information on tax deductions and process, please see the information on the main FreeBSD Donation Liason office page. If you would like to donate something on this list, please contact donations@FreeBSD.org.' And the list follows. Please visit the page, look at the list, and if you have any of the needed items that you can spare, please donate it to help the development effor along!"

22 comments

  1. Wanted: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Want list developer for creating want lists for developers developing FreeBSD.

    Apply within.

  2. While you are at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    You can also mail Steve Jobs and Bill Gates a check to "tide them over" until they get around to completely emptying your bank account.

    Oh wait.

    You are doing that by supporting Berkeley licensed software anyway !

    Never mind.

    1. Re:While you are at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Worse yet, GPLed code can use BSD code too.

    2. Re:While you are at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they steal it instead of obtaining it legally & morally.

  3. feed the trolls..... by jeffy124 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    this is one way to feed the BSD is dying trolls....

    --
    The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
    1. Re:feed the trolls..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the trolls use /dev/null as their stomaches... they will still be hungry even after eating several million petabytes of troll-bait. What comes back up is worse than a kernel panic or a BSOD though... I don't think any exception handling system has survived even an ounce of regurgitated troll-bait.

  4. This is news? by zaft · · Score: 1

    What makes this particularly newsworthy? NetBSD has had such a list for ages (http://www.netbsd.org/contrib/hardware.html)

    1. Re:This is news? by MavEtJu · · Score: 2

      You're right, it wouldn't be newsworthy if it was the /NetBSD/ project who had setup such a list. But then, if you would have read the article, you would have known it is the /FreeBSD/ project who has setup the list.

      The NetBSD project != the FreeBSD project, and the attitude you showed doesn't do good to any of them.

      --
      bash$ :(){ :|:&};:
    2. Re:This is news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded or what? FreeBSD blows. It has become the RedHat of the BSDs. All it does is play catchup with NetBSD. rcng? RAIDframe? That's what I thought.

    3. Re:This is news? by MobyTurbo · · Score: 2
      What makes this particularly newsworthy? NetBSD has had such a list for ages
      What makes this newsworthy is that FreeBSD development is venturing into the multiplatform realm tread previously only by NetBSD and to a lesser extent OpenBSD. Hence they are asking for more equipment to make ports of FreeBSD to - after being only on the Intel and Alpha platforms for years. This is quite newsworthy.
  5. *BSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    It is official. Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying

    One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming close on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

    You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

    FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

    Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

    Fact: *BSD is dying

  6. Insider's scoop: Why FreeBSD is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll
    The End of FreeBSD

    [ed. note: in the following text, former FreeBSD developer Mike Smith gives his reasons for abandoning FreeBSD]

    When I stood for election to the FreeBSD core team nearly two years ago, many of you will recall that it was after a long series of debates during which I maintained that too much organisation, too many rules and too much formality would be a bad thing for the project.

    Today, as I read the latest discussions on the future of the FreeBSD project, I see the same problem; a few new faces and many of the old going over the same tired arguments and suggesting variations on the same worthless schemes. Frankly I'm sick of it.

    FreeBSD used to be fun. It used to be about doing things the right way. It used to be something that you could sink your teeth into when the mundane chores of programming for a living got you down. It was something cool and exciting; a way to spend your spare time on an endeavour you loved that was at the same time wholesome and worthwhile.

    It's not anymore. It's about bylaws and committees and reports and milestones, telling others what to do and doing what you're told. It's about who can rant the longest or shout the loudest or mislead the most people into a bloc in order to legitimise doing what they think is best. Individuals notwithstanding, the project as a whole has lost track of where it's going, and has instead become obsessed with process and mechanics.

    So I'm leaving core. I don't want to feel like I should be "doing something" about a project that has lost interest in having something done for it. I don't have the energy to fight what has clearly become a losing battle; I have a life to live and a job to keep, and I won't achieve any of the goals I personally consider worthwhile if I remain obligated to care for the project.

    Discussion

    I'm sure that I've offended some people already; I'm sure that by the time I'm done here, I'll have offended more. If you feel a need to play to the crowd in your replies rather than make a sincere effort to address the problems I'm discussing here, please do us the courtesy of playing your politics openly.

    From a technical perspective, the project faces a set of challenges that significantly outstrips our ability to deliver. Some of the resources that we need to address these challenges are tied up in the fruitless metadiscussions that have raged since we made the mistake of electing officers. Others have left in disgust, or been driven out by the culture of abuse and distraction that has grown up since then. More may well remain available to recruitment, but while the project is busy infighting our chances for successful outreach are sorely diminished.

    There's no simple solution to this. For the project to move forward, one or the other of the warring philosophies must win out; either the project returns to its laid-back roots and gets on with the work, or it transforms into a super-organised engineering project and executes a brilliant plan to deliver what, ultimately, we all know we want.

    Whatever path is chosen, whatever balance is struck, the choosing and the striking are the important parts. The current indecision and endless conflict are incompatible with any sort of progress.

    Trying to dissect the above is far beyond the scope of any parting shot, no matter how distended. All I can really ask of you all is to let go of the minutiae for a moment and take a look at the big picture. What is the ultimate goal here? How can we get there with as little overhead as possible? How would you like to be treated by your fellow travellers?

    Shouts

    To the Slashdot "BSD is dying" crowd - big deal. Death is part of the cycle; take a look at your soft, pallid bodies and consider that right this very moment, parts of you are dying. See? It's not so bad.

    To the bulk of the FreeBSD committerbase and the developer community at large - keep your eyes on the real goals. It's when you get distracted by the politickers that they sideline you. The tireless work that you perform keeping the system clean and building is what provides the platform for the obsessives and the prima donnas to have their moments in the sun. In the end, we need you all; in order to go forwards we must first avoid going backwards.

    To the paranoid conspiracy theorists - yes, I work for Apple too. No, my resignation wasn't on Steve's direct orders, or in any way related to work I'm doing, may do, may not do, or indeed what was in the tea I had at lunchtime today. It's about real problems that the project faces, real problems that the project has brought upon itself. You can't escape them by inventing excuses about outside influence, the problem stems from within.

    To the politically obsessed - give it a break, if you can. No, the project isn't a lemonade stand anymore, but it's not a world-spanning corporate juggernaut either and some of the more grandiose visions going around are in need of a solid dose of reality. Keep it simple, stupid.

    To the grandstanders, the prima donnas, and anyone that thinks that they can hold the project to ransom for their own agenda - give it a break, if you can. When the current core were elected, we took a conscious stand against vigorous sanctions, and some of you have exploited that. A new core is going to have to decide whether to repeat this mistake or get tough. I hope they learn from our errors.

    Future

    I started work on FreeBSD because it was fun. If I'm going to continue, it has to be fun again. There are things I still feel obligated to do, and with any luck I'll find the time to meet those obligations.

    However I don't feel an obligation to get involved in the political mess the project is in right now. I tried, I burnt out. I don't feel that my efforts were worthwhile. So I won't be standing for election, I won't be shouting from the sidelines, and I probably won't vote in the next round of ballots.

    You could say I'm packing up my toys. I'm not going home just yet, but I'm not going to play unless you can work out how to make the project somewhere fun to be again.

    = Mike

    --

    To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. -- Theodore Roosevelt
  7. Wait one second... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you see that entry from the Iraqi Developer:

    Country:
    IRAQ

    Equipment:
    28 onces weapons grade plutionium and concave blast detonators, plus some American blue geans (preferably Levi)

    Use:
    porting to the xbox.

    1. Re:Wait one second... by Strog · · Score: 1

      That could be legit. If nuking Redmond gets the xbox ported then maybe that's what needs done. MS can't change specs, go after mod chips, etc. if headquarters is a glowing lump of glass.

  8. Isn't it traditional... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to solicit donations to charities in lieu of flowers at funerals?

  9. THAT's not what's dying! HERE"S what's dying! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    It is now official - Trolltalk has confirmed: *Christian Trolls Are Dying

    Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Christian Troll community when recently IDC confirmed that Christian Troll accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all slashdot trolls. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Christian Trolls have lost more biting share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Christian Trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Goatse comprehensive trolling test.

    You don't need to be Fred Phelps to predict Christian Trolls's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Christian Trolls faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Christian Trolls because Christian Trolls are dying. Things are looking very bad for Christian Trolls. As many of us are already aware, Christian Trolls continues to lose biting share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. Bible_Study_Guys is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core trollers.

    Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

    FirstPOST leader AnonymousCoward states that there are 7000 users of FirstPOST. How many users of KDEvsGnome are there? Let's see. The number of FirstPOST versus KDEvsGnome posts on Slashdot is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 KDEvsGnome users. BSD/Is/Dying posts on Slashdot are about half of the volume of KDEvsGnome posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/Is/Dying. A recent article put Bible_Study_Guys at about 80 percent of the Christian Troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Bible_Study_Guys users. This is consistent with the number of Bible_Study_Guys Slashdot posts.

    Due to the troubles of slash.geekizoid, abysmal sales and so on, Bible_Study_Guys went out of business and was taken over by Adequacy.Org who sell another troubled Troll. Now Adequacy.Org is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

    All major surveys show that Christian Trolls have steadily declined in biting share. Christian Trolls are very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Christian Trolls is to survive at all it will be among Trolling hobbyist dabblers. Christian Trolls continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Christian Trolls are dead.

    Fact: Christian Trolls are dead

  10. Wanted: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    users.

    any users.

    Please? :)

  11. If you can't donate hardware, donate time by MobyTurbo · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you can't donate hardware, donate your computer skills. The Junior Kernel hacker TODO list gives some examples of much-needed projects.

    1. Re:If you can't donate hardware, donate time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loonix is the one dying, see by yourself http://www.gruetech.biz/projects/articles/embracin g_pt01.php

    2. Re:If you can't donate hardware, donate time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there any similar list for linux too...

  12. Poul's list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a problem with Poul dictating tasks when he's not even a core team member.

    The setattr system call is a stupid idea. It can all be done by not closing the fd, and using fchmod, fchflags, fchown, and so on. Avoids the lookups he wants to avoid without making FreeBSD incompatable with other UNIX.

    1. Re:Poul's list by jmallett · · Score: 1

      Make me a sammich.

      I'm dictating tasks too, deal with it and shut the fuck up.

      Thanks,
      juli.