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Where The Bandwidth Goes

An anonymous reader writes "An often overlooked fact about network bandwidth utilization is that the bandwidth consumed on networks is more than the sum of the data exchanged at the highest level; it's data+overhead+upkeep. In the early 90's I worked for a large multi-national company whose software engineering department had a transatlantic x.25 circuit connection to it's European engineering headquarters. It was necessary that the connection be 'on' 24x7 due to the spanning of a large number of time zones, disparate working hours and tight contractual requirements. Very large data transfers were sometimes operationally essential. But the financial people used to scream constantly about the circuit costs (charged per packet, IIRC) of several thousand dollars/month. The sys admin realized that if he just reduced the frequency of keep-alives, he could shave something like 10% off the monthly bill. This article points out that p2p applications are greater bandwidth hogs than one might think because of the foregoing and more - they also search, accept pushed advertising and do other transactions that are transparent to most users, but add up. I doubt that developers of those free p2p applications have gave much thought to efficiency. This will be no surprise to many of you, but helps explain why ISP's rushing to put caps on transfers."

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  1. Wha? by PygmyTrojan · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    I doubt that developers of those free p2p applications have gave much thought to efficiency.

    I doubt that you have gave much thought to grammar.

    --

    Trying is the first step towards failure.

  2. Bugtraq says logout. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Hey,

    I noticed that Slashdot has a nasty bug, which, I imagine is a fault of
    Slashcode. On certain occassions, you can find a very interesting Referer
    string for some visitiors of pages mentioned on this site. One of such
    entries:

    63.XXX.XXX.175 - - [11/Sep/2002:18:13:33 +0200] "GET /newtcp/ HTTP/1.1"
    200 33541 "http://slashdot.org/?unickname=dXXg&passwd=rXXXX3 "
    "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826"
    [lcamtuf.coredump.cx]

    Go figure. This does not seem to be a consistent pattern, of thousands
    hits from Slashdot only about 15-20 were like that today, so it seems like
    a specific condition have to be met, yet it's not that uncommon - I'd
    guess it happens right after you login and click on the link. I did not
    investigate it too much, but it seems to me that Slashcode is fairly
    popular and used in quite a few places - and that's a nice example of why
    GET shouldn't be used for forms. This is based exclusively on the real
    world observation of this pattern.

    I gave Slashdot a short notice because it does not really matter how fast
    you patch it - once public, people can grep their webserver logs for past
    entries anyway.

    --
    Michal Zalewski

    1. Re:Bugtraq says logout. by joe52 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      This is an optional way of logging into Slashdot. Go to your preferences, then to the password page.

      There is a line of text that says
      "You can automatically log in by clicking This Link and Bookmarking the resulting page. This is totally insecure, but very convenient."

      If you look at the link, it is pretty much the URL that you have noted. It looks like this is not a bug, but rather a very poor feature that the authors know is insecure, but have chosen to retain. At least using it is completely optional.

    2. Re:Bugtraq says logout. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      a very poor feature that the authors know is insecure, but have chosen to retain.

      Perhaps the janitors are getting ready to get jobs at Microsoft.

      Sellouts, the lot of them!

    3. Re:Bugtraq says logout. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
      moooooo

      hi joe

    4. Re:Bugtraq says logout. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      hi Steve

  3. X.25 hax0rz by drwho · · Score: 2, Offtopic

    Back in the heyday of "X.25" networks, there were a lot of illegitimate users. There was inadequate technology to protect and track.

    It is rumored that there are accounts on public x.25 networks, belonging to large corporations, that have worked for over 13 years.

  4. I have made a crude study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    If people learned the difference between "it's" and "its", the unneeded apostrophes alone would save about 10% of the bandwidth that Slashdot uses.

    This is just one example. There are others.

  5. Re:Four? Or Millions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Pump "Britney Spears" into Kazaa's search engine...

    yeah, i wouldn't mind pumping britney spears right about now...

  6. Re:hrmm yeah i guess so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    just think of p2p as those pains you had in your legs when you were 14.

    Oh, I thought those were just due to constant masturbation.

  7. Re:Four? Or Millions? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic
    Haven't you ever seen that AIDS commercial? "When you sleep with her, you're sleeping with everyone she slept with, and everyone they slept with, and everyone they slept with, yadda yadda yadda..."

    It was a pretty bad commercial: It never once made me want to go buy AIDS.

  8. Re:Put Your Reading Glasses On by dmelomed · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And why are YOU replying as an AC?

  9. RIAA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    If only the RIAA was in charge of ISPs.. they could distribute music cheaply and reap the benefits of raping us on Bandwidth usage.. wow new business model!