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RIAA Seeks Summary Judgement Against P2P Services

Posted by timothy on from the this-hammer-is-for-evil dept.

kanad writes: "RIAA seeks summary judgement against Musiccity , Kazaa and Grokster. In other words they want the above to be banned even before the trial. RIAA accuses them as Napster clones. Read the official statement here BTW does anybody knows of 'Leonard Kleinrock' described as "one of the original founders of the Internet" in the article and an expert witness ?" I wonder whether the mimeograph machine would survive if it was invented today.

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  1. Leonard Kleinrock by Target+Drone · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here's his home page where he does claim to have invented the Internet.

    1. Re:Leonard Kleinrock by sdjunky · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having this guy testify as to the purpose of Kazaa, MusicCity and such is like having the wright brothers testify to the uses and legitimacy of the Stealth Bomber.

      it says on his site he "supposedly" made the first message, packet switching, internet node and such. Even if that WERE te case, so what? I mean. What can he say?

    2. Re:Leonard Kleinrock by joe_bruin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      the IMP (Interface Message Processor) is a big green refrigerator sized box, and can be found on in the engineering library in ucla's boelter hall. it was the first node of the packet switching network (the second being at stanford university, connected via a leased 56k line) now known as The Internet. and kleinrock set it up (and the packet switching theory behind it). more than anyone else (well, maybe vint cerf), he can be called the father of the internet.

      having said that, this has absolutely no relevance to this case.

  2. How does that have any effect? by rhadamanthus · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Ok, say that this worked, and the were "banned". Would ISPs have to shut down P2P users on their networks then since the companies cannot? If so, who picks up that expense? How do you stop P2P in other countries?

    Going further, what's to stop IRC and a number of FTP servers? I still host a ton of content on my FTP server, and it is NOT anonymous (yeah-yeah, insecure blahblah). Or, I could burn info to a CD and send it wherever to whomever, or even just email a MP3 if its small enough...

    ineffective at best, i say.

    ----rhad

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  3. Re:it's typical today by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    it is rather unfortunate that the RIAA's product is less talented than it's lawyers :|

    It is unfortunate, but a quality product is not what makes money in this day and age, it's having lawyers that can twist the crap out of your product to make it look good, and make everything else look evil (aka Microsoft), and marketing crap well (again, Microsoft)... All the RIAA needs to learn to do is market their crap WELL, and we're all doomed!

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  4. You don't see the pr0n stars complaining... by billstr78 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... and thier, um stuff, get's traded more heavily than the copywritten music on KaZaA.

    1. Re:You don't see the pr0n stars complaining... by great+throwdini · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You don't see the pr0n stars complaining and thier, um stuff, get's traded more heavily than the copywritten music on KaZaA.

      No, not the stars, but the copyright holders on all that pr0n care. I don't know how this has eluded the like of /. yet, but read the CNN/Money piece entitled "Porn outfit bids for Napster" from yesterday:

      Private Media Group Inc., a publicly traded adult entertainment site based in Spain, offered 1 million shares for Napster's assets. [...] In a statement, Private Media said it plans to use the Napster trademark to offer millions of adults worldwide the ability to swap adult-oriented content for free and at the same time gain access to "top-quality" content at a reasonable price. [...] "Along with Hollywood and the recording industry, we have become increasingly concerned about the level of copyright infringement inherent in the free peer-to-peer file-swapping services," [Private Media CEO Charles] Prast said.

      HAND

  5. What if... by CaffeineAddict2001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You create an arbitrarily sized table of randomly placed 1's and 0's... Then what you trade is files that reference where in the table the bytes for your file located in sequence... Would this still be considered piracy or intellectual property?

  6. memeograph question.. by stinky+wizzleteats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Interesting point. The historical answer is quite revealing. The invention in question is not the memeograph, but the printing press. The printing press so threatened those in control of information at the time (the Catholic church), that the entire reformation resulted. Let's just hope this go-round is not as bloody.

  7. Re:What are we going to do about it? by VargrX · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I gave $1000 to the EFF last month.

    What have you done?


    Better question... What have they done?

    (and yes, I've donated (far too much) money to them, and have seen absolutely no roi)
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  8. How to prevent infringement? by beej · · Score: 3, Interesting
    From the RIAA release:

    Also included in the filing is the testimony of several expert witnesses, including Leonard Kleinrock, widely regarded as one of the original founders of the Internet. Kleinrock describes how the defendant's file sharing system works and how they could easily control and prevent the massive copyright infringement from occurring.

    Can someone help me locate the testimony in which Kleinrock describes how they could easily control and prevent massive copyright infringement?

    I mean, I'm dying of curiosity. Every solution I can think of is either trivial to circumvent, or non-trivial to implement. Nothing falls in the classification of "easy".

    Then again, I'm not Dr. Internet with a PhD from MIT.