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Politicizing Science

An anonymous reader writes: "The Washington Post has a story about the government's efforts to remove independent scientific review boards and replace them with officials that match the views of administration. This includes careless elimination of life-saving safety regulations in gene-therapy to help specific business interests and hiring based on political views such as stem cell research and cloning. Is this wrong? Or do those with power get to do whatever they want?"

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  1. Do you trust your politicians ? by makapuf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Of course, research has to be political, even many ppl here on slashdot won't agree.
    By political, you mean for example the fact that some things are not agreeable to work on such as human cloning.
    And I think the budget decisions on how much money is granted to a research branch is political

    The main question, here, is how much should it be politized and if you trust yourpoliticians.
    The right way to fix the problem may not be to give them less power, but to have politicians you trust.

    I am a European, but is the real question : do you trust Bush government on defining Science ? Would you trust Nader ?

    1. Re:Do you trust your politicians ? by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree with your point that everything is essentially politicized, however the main concern here is that the people appointed to these boards will replace scientific objectivity with their own personal views. That is not the purpose of a scientific board. If the Bush administration wants to create "policy review boards", and stack them full of these people, so be it. They did that with the Energy Review Board (=Oil, Gas and Coal industry), and everyone knew it was a sham. The problem here is that by using scientific panels for this purpose, they will decrease the amount of real information available to people. The net effect is the same as if they had simply eliminated scientific review boards altogether.

      The Bush administration has used this same tactic over and over again. They create an information vacuum, and then implement whatever policy they want, under the pretext that "nobody knows any better". If they're going to do that, I'd prefer they just eliminate the scientific review boards altogether and save money. Then they can tell the public that "we just do whatever the hell we want, and we won't pay for some egghead to tell us any different". For one, it'd be the truth, but I'm just a little worried that Bush would be more popular for saying something like that.

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    2. Re:Do you trust your politicians ? by djiin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      In "The demon haunted world: science as a candle in the wind", Carl Sagan outlines many good reasons why governments and politics should not dictate where and how money is spent in research

      One of the most pertinent was that we do not know what discoveries we make today, however innocuous, will be vitally important tomorrow.

      We would actually be better off spending more money on science education, or at least courses in critical thinking though as there are not enough people who are qualified to make anything more than a knee-jerk decision about most research.

      And that goes for both politicians and the general public. Good scientific thinking is a necessary safeguard we will require in the coming years!

  2. Yes and yes by Isle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is this wrong? Or do those with power get to do whatever they want?"

    What do you mean or? The answer to both question is yes. It is wrong, but whose in power do what they want.

    The danish government did a similiar thing back in the spring, they even admited openly they have cut down on review-boards that they considered too "lefty". This is the problem with government with a too stable majority; noone to oppose them.

  3. er, yes by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is this wrong? Or do those with power get to do whatever they want?"

    Hmm.. I sense a rhetorical question ... ;) Yes, those elected get to do what they want with tax money. You like it, when they're dems, so don't pretend to oppose it generally.

    Call me when they start pushing aquired heredity or a flat earth. Until then, yawn.

  4. Re:Not science by sql*kitten · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Then it isn't science. Review by independent scientists is a fundamental part of science.

    You've misunderstood. There are two questions here:
    1. Was the research conducted in a professional, rigorous and objective manner?
    2. What research should we be funding in the first place?

    Item 1 is obviously best assessed by independant scientists, because it can be measured relatively objectively and requires scientific skill. Point 2 is unsuitable for independant scientists for a number of reasons. Firstly, what is the objective of funding research in the first place? Is it to advance knowledge for its own sake, or to solve specific problems that are facing civilization?

    Unfortunately the vast majority of people have no understanding of science or its principles.

    And secondly, what is considered acceptable subject matter for research by the taxpayer? Scientists often forget that it's the "unwashed masses" who foot the bill for their expensive toys. No matter what scientists think are the benefits - and no matter how skillful their rhetoric - if the general public doesn't want to fund research into XXX, then those scientists should not receive a penny of taxpayer's money.

    This is illustrated in the matter of stem cell research. There are undoubtedly benefits to such research, and the scientists from point 1 would be happy for it, from the perspective of pure science. But it's up to the people in point 2 - on whose behalf the research is being done - to make the decision. If the scientists disagree, well, they should find their own funding.
  5. Re:Sure they do! by snatchitup · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or how about during the Clinton administraction's EPA head Carol Browner basically fudged a study on particulates. The test case was five cities. They were measuring the health problems due to particulates. Turns out that they could only positive data in two of the five cities. So, what to they do? They throw out two of the cities as if they didn't even study them. They post their conclusion that: 66% of inner city children are dying from particulates.

    There really is something to the "Junk Science" theory. Once you get political policy involved, and dollars, you get a bunch of junk!

  6. Re:Wonderful news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's very kind of the USA to spend money protecting the world so the rest of us can invest our surpluses in productive areas.

    You can't afford your levels of defence spending and spiralling military commitments, which will become apparent soon enough.

  7. Europe is even worse by October_30th · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Not only in the States.

    Quoting Washington Post:

    In the course of researching the state of liberty and security after 9/11, I've been especially struck by how restrained America's legal response appears when contrasted with that of our European allies. Although they weren't directly attacked, the countries of the European Union passed anti-terrorism measures during the past year that are far more sweeping than anything adopted in the United States. In October, France expanded the powers of the police to search private property without a warrant. Germany has engaged in religious profiling of suspected terrorists, a practice that was upheld in a court challenge. In Britain, which has become a kind of privacy dystopia, Parliament passed a sweeping anti-terrorism law in December that authorizes a central government authority to record and store all communications data generated by e-mail, Internet browsing or other electronic communications, and to make the data available to law enforcement without a court order. In May, the European Union authorized all of its members to pass similar laws requiring data retention.

    At least the Americans seem to be half-aware of what's happening. As a European with an interest in the protection of privacy and human rights I am appalled at how little my fellow EU citizens seem to know about the erosion of their rights and how readily they accept it when they're told about the recent changes. European media doesn't really criticize this process because they can either be silenced (even big news broadcasters like BBC have been under heavy pressure from the UK Home Office) or they censor themselves in fear of appearing sensationalist.

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  8. Interview with Christopher Reeve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Christopher Reeve has been mentioned several times lately here.

    I think it would be worth while to set up an interview on Slashdot with him.

    Any one else agree?

    1. Re: Interview with Christopher Reeve by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Interesting


      > I think it would be worth while to set up an interview on Slashdot with him.

      Seconded.

      Meanwhile, FYI, there will be a documentary about him and an interview on ABC tomorrow (Wednesday) evening. As I understand it, the documentary was made by his son over the past 18 months, and shows Christopher actually making some surprising (albeit limited) progress. Last year they put him in a swimming pool for the first time since his injury, and were surprised to discover that he could move his feet a little bit. Apparently there has been more progress since then, though I haven't heard how much.

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  9. Re:Guardian Interview with Christopher Reeve by Comrade+Pikachu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    As a kid, I thought he made a kickass Superman, but ever since I saw him on the Celebrity Atheists List, Christopher Reeve has been a hero and inspiration.

    Reeve has every reason to chicken out and go the religious route, as do many people who have their lives so disrupted. What courage to put his faith in things that really matter: the continuing advance of science, the companionship of loved ones, and the power of personal force of will.

    Thanks to that, he has started to recover some movement and sesnsation over much of his body. No miracles involved.