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An Overview of Quad Band Memory

tedgyz writes "AnandTech has a short article on a new memory technology from Via, called Quad Band Memory (QBM). Rather than using dual-channel DDR to increase bandwidth, they use phase-shifting inside the memory modules to accomplish the same goal. The end result is simpler (and presumably cheaper) motherboard designs that are backwards compatible with current DDR modules. The downside? It is currently only going to available in a P4 chipset that Intel has not authorized."

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  1. why wouldn't VIA support their own technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Via made this, via makes chipsets. Seems likely they'll make chipsets that support this.

  2. Re:I dunno, these are gonna cost more. by ZeLonewolf · · Score: 3, Informative


    Let's see, one PLL... damn, I don't know if I can afford the extra six cents!

    Well, actually, it won't be that cheap. When I was in college working on my senior thesis (Fall 2001), we had an application where we needed to use a PLL in a 2.4GHz transmitter circuit. The thing was approximately 1cm x 2cm x 0.5cm, and cost around $25, and it was damn hard to find. Now, that piece would obviously be far too large and noisy for use on a memory chip (but maybe not)... but the point remains, a PLL that needs to operate in the 100's of megahertz to gigahertz range AND be electrically quiet enough would, I'm sure, jack up the price more than marginally. Now, that $25 piece is all well and good for some flakey-ass collegetransmitter, but this chip is gonna need something that's low-noise, high-gain, and a bunch of other characteristics that WILL make it much more expensive.

    Of course, you also gotta take into account that the PLL will (most likely) be hybridized (i.e. wafer removed and built custom onto the chip) and mass-produced, both of which will tend to drive the price down

    On the flip side, though, we've become used to buying $20 sticks of RAM, so it might seem pricey at first :-)

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  3. Compatability+Speed=Popularity by Error-404NotFound · · Score: 1, Informative

    Because of the pin-compatible DDR interface, QBM chipsets will be able to use both regular DDR SDRAM modules as well as QBM modules.

    That's a GREAT feature. If i have 1GB of DDR ram and only enough money to upgrade the mobo, i'd go with QBM because of this. Then later on the switch could be more gradual. Backwards compatability is a good thing, just look at the PS2 and how well it sells.

    DDR333=2.7GB/sec bandwidth

    QBM667=5.3GB/sec bandwidth

    Double the bandwidth with small modifications to a regular DDR chip has potential for growth.

    It seems that the only problem now is that it won't be out until the end of Q1 2003, and it will be on P4s... hopefully they won't have Pallidium too.

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  4. FAQ about QBM by kyoko21 · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a link to kentron's FAQ about Quad Band Memory.

  5. DDR ZONE Also has a article up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    http://www.theddrzone.com/news.asp?id=731

  6. Re:But memory isn't the bottleneck anymore, is it? by Jimmy_B · · Score: 4, Informative
    Nowadays, you see all of these benchmarks on chips/chipsets/memory, and unless you're talking inSANE resolutions and color depths, AMD/Intel vs nVidia/ATI really doesn't matter much. It's just personal preference.
    Resolutions and color depths have nothing to do with the chips/chipsets/memory; the component most affected by that is the video card. And if you think video cards are fast enough that choosing between nVidia and ATI is just personal preference, odds are you aren't doing anything which deserves more than an old 4-meg video card.
    It was my understanding that the major bottleneck of any system is the DISK. So no matter how fast your ram is, if you still have to swap to the slow-ass disk, your system will be slow.
    While starting up programs, yes, the disk is the bottleneck as files are loaded the first time. But for the tasks where speed *really* matters - compiling programs, long simulations, games - the speed of CPU and RAM are critical. (Disk can be made important if RAM is lacking in quantity, but with RAM prices as they are these days, that is inexcusable.)
  7. politics by GunFodder · · Score: 3, Informative

    Via has not explicitly licensed the P4 bus. Via insists it has rights to the necessary patents through the purchase of Cyrix. If Intel officially approves this arrangement then they may lose some licensing sales in the future by setting a precedent.

    The whole thing is kind of silly unless Intel is making money hand over foot in the chipset market. I wonder if their motivation to discourage 3rd party chipset development is to lock down control over various platform technologies? Sis currently makes P4 chipsets but they have a poor reputation for compatibility. Via has improved their rep by dominating the Athlon market. They might have the necessary market share to take the P4 platform in directions that Intel doesn't want to go.

  8. Re:why is that a downside? by mabinogi · · Score: 3, Informative

    The downside is that since VIA don't make motherboards, they rely on mobo manufacturers, and the mobo makers don't want to piss off Intel, and so aren't too quick to look at using unauthorized chipsets.

    If no one makes the boards, the chipset may end up more or less stillborn.

    If VIA had started with an Athlon chipset, or didn't have this disagreement with Intel over whether or not they're allowed to make P4 chipsets, then there wouldn't be that problem.

    However, I would assume that there are obviously some manufacturers making VIA boards, so I would assume those ones would be the ones that would start making boards using this technology.

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  9. Re:why is that a downside? by BaldingByMicrosoft · · Score: 3, Informative

    VIA -does- make motherboards:

    http://www.viavpsd.com/ ...but they're not exactly considered a 'tier-one' provider.

  10. DDR Zones take on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative