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Gas/Electric Hybrids, Air Cars in the News

hackshack writes "eCycle is developing a hybrid diesel / electric motorcycle designed to get 180 miles per gallon. The small diesel engine kicks in at speeds over 12mph, and the electric motor handles acceleration. Target retail price is $5,500. They've got a beta test program going as well. Now I can laugh at all those "gas-guzzling" Insight drivers as I zoom by!" Reader clen writes in about the Toyota Prius doing well in a road rally, and fishdan sent in a note about a pure-electric concept car called the Tango. And the air-powered car is getting a little more media attention, too.

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  1. Re:A great all-electric already exists by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well this is a pretty simple problem if you ask me. Instead of trying to get GM to change its evil ways, why not just buy from a manufacturer that caters to your demands? Sure, they're not electric, but the Insight, Prius, and new hybrid Civic have the best fuel economy in the whole fleet, plus an infinite range (unlike the EV1's 70-140 mile maximum range) anywhere gasoline is available. Plus, these cars are purchased, not leased, so you never have to give them back.

    I hate to drag Microsoft into an article about cars, but this isn't a market where one giant company has monopoly control over the market and for most things you're stuck dealing with them. There's lots of car companies, none with >50% marketshare, and of course any car you buy or build can be used on any road, so support a manufacturer that's more closely aligned with your ideals rather than one which doesn't.

  2. Re:A great all-electric already exists by silentbozo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Generally, the batteries used in electric vehicles are absorbant-mat type valve-regulated sealed batteries. This means you can shoot holes in the batteries and very little, if any electrolyte will spill out. Think of them as bigger, more advanced gel-cell lead acid batteries.

    Also, given the fact that your vehicle will probably be heavier (since you're carrying the lead acid batteries, and the steel to support them) the other vehicle (unless it's a huge-ass truck) will probably come out of the accident in much worse shape than you will.

    I haven't a clue as to what they put into the EV-1, but I doubt that it would fare worse than a Toyota Corolla in an accident.

    As far as GM crushing their EV-1s to permanently get them out of consumer reach, well, they're assholes who have already written off the money they spent building what amounts to a working fleet of prototypes, so from their point of view, "disposing" of the asset makes sense, tax-wise, since they feel that they're no longer going to be in the electric-car business (despite the fact that fuel-cell cars ARE electric cars!!!)

    The biggest joke is on states who built electric car charging stations with proprietary Magnacharger paddles to support EV-1s. With the EV-1s off the road, there really isn't any use for those charging stations anymore - I haven't heard of any hobbyists using the very expensive magnacharger system as part of their EV conversions, so there you go, more taxpayer money wasted on the behalf of these corporate bozos.

  3. Re:I strongly recommend the Civic Hybrid by Spunk · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've added a Sirius Satellite radio, so now I can drive coast to coast on five tanks of gas while listening to the same radio station

    Thanks to the fine folks at ClearChannel, you can already do this!

    *grumble*

  4. Re:What about safety? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Dive tanks and high pressure tanks for cars are two different things.

    Dive tanks suffer the majority of their fatigue because of the temperature differences they are subjected to. Eg sea, then hot deck, etc. And if they fail they are strapped to the back of a person.

    High pressure tanks can be designed to fail safely (See previous AC post I wrote above for the "tearing" simplified explanation). But no matter how it fails, you don't want a tank to fail strapped to a person, hence the high standard with dive tanks.

    Car tanks would be design to fail safely in the event of over pressurisation or being hit by another car, and hence tear. But with a dive tank there is no really safe way to fail, they mostly blow the top of the cylinder (where they are filled, the name escapes me), which stops air hitting the diver directly, but they can still be propelled a long way.

    Above water newer (and more expensive) dive tanks are given a kevlar webbing surround over the tank to stop the metal breaking away and becoming shrapnel. There are also composite type tanks, but the are _really_ expensive, and I don't think they are intended for divers (more for submersables)

  5. Hybrids are a better solution for now by MtViewGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think electric/fossil-fuel hybrids are the way to go for now until the arrival of low-cost, practical fuel-cell engines.

    The Toyota Prius, Honda Insight and Honda Civic Hybrid have demonstrated you can get a very practical car with good driveability, very low emissions, and most importantly long range. Why get a car with 70-100 mile range (at best) when you can get something that can be used as a daily driver and also take a small family on long trips?

    It's small wonder why both Toyota and Honda have begun to expand hybrid technology to their other model lines. Don't be surprised within a few years we'll be seeing small vans and station wagons with hybrid drivetrains from both Toyota and Honda; Toyota has stated they may produce a hybrid version of the Corolla and Honda is looking at putting hybrids into the Latitude (neé Stream) minivan and Jazz supermini hatchback.