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HP to Heavily Support and Invest in .Net
Dr.Stress writes: "CNet is reporting 'Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft plan to invest $50 million in a joint effort to sell corporate customers on the software giant's .Net Web services efforts....HP plans to devote 3,000 consultants from its HP Services unit to the effort and also train 5,000 people in its sales and support staff.' Microsoft will provide additional installation support, and the companies will jointly market .Net services. This was announced previously, but this article contains a few more details. Frankly, as an HP employee, I am alarmed at all this closeness with Microsoft lately (this, plus the media center PCs....what's next??)."
I am alarmed at all this closeness with Microsoft lately (this, plus the media center PCs....what's next??)
Well if memory serves, MS will use HP for as long as it takes to get its own team together, then screw them over. Of course, MS may really value the partnership, and have absolutely no ulterior motiv...... sorry, I'm laughing too hard to finish!!
Code, Hardware, stuff like that.
Caldera bought SCO and turned into SCO. HP bought Compaq and turned into Compaq. It is not that unusual.
Finally! A year of moderation! Ready for 2019?
Look, I worked at HP during the early and mid 90's. Let me tell you, cozying up to Microsoft is nothing new. Investing in Microsoft has been the stealth initiative of MANY of the ladder-climbers at HP. During my stay at HP, Rick Beluzzo was the big Microsoft pusher (ask me if I'm surprised he ended up WORKING for Microsoft in the end).
HP's downward slide didn't start with Carly, nor did it start with the merger--it started a LONG time ago, when the upper eschelons were taken over by MBA-types who thought that, instead of HP innovating, it would be MUCH easier to cozy up to the dominant monopoly.
Okay, now that I did the unbelievable by posting the second message which not only was not a troll, but also pinpointed the cause of this change in HP policy, there is a related story on ZDNET on this
Okay, now that I did the unbelievable by posting the second message which not only was not a troll, but also pinpointed the cause of this change in HP policy, there is a related story on ZDNET. To quote from the article:
"Our relationship has significantly improved," Microsoft group vice president Jim Allchin told CNET News.com earlier this month.
Asked if the Compaq influence was the leading factor, Allchin said, "I suspect that's a large part of it."
So now you know why this happened.
What's under yellowstone?
It seems like this is a part of HP's plan to 'do an IBM', i.e. become a provider of complete solutions (HW+SW+Consulting). They've got the HW and consulting, but still need a big SW platform to sell and promote.
As for scaryness, yes it is a threat to the freedom online. We have to hope that Liberty Alliance will succeed and that average Joe will become aware of the lack of integrity this type of solutions can result in.
Frankly, as an HP employee, I am alarmed at all this closeness with Microsoft lately
Then do something about it.
You remind me of the people who whine about the government, but never get out to the polls on voting day. What have you done about it? If you're alarmed by the closeness with Microsoft, then either you haven't been paying attention to HP or else you're one of the newly merged Compaq folks, who were a lot more open-source-friendly. HP's been in bed with MS for years: I distinctly remember HP being one of the first companies to adopt the restore-cd-only policy with their Pavilions, only including a restore CD and not an operating system CD. HP's Kayak dual-CPU workstations were among the first & best NT-running machines I ever used, and I know they didn't build it to run Linux. HP's always been close with MS.
So if HP's relationship with MS surprises you, then you need to get more active with your management in the day-to-day decisionmaking. Every time HP releases a solution that specifically favors MS, sometimes at the expense of their customers, speak up and try to change their minds.
What's your damage, Heather?
Anyone want to place bets on how long before HP "decides that supporting Linux is just too costly" and bails on the platform entirely?
Wouldn't surprise me if part of this MS/HP deal was MSFT saying "before we'll consummate this, in a few months, you've got to get rid of that thorn in our side Perens. We can't have him out there publicly lambasting us, as an employee of your company, if we're going to do business with you."
Let's look at past microsoft buddy-buddy relationships:
Well. . . from past experience, I think HP should bend over. . . we all know what's next.
The only defence would be to never make any money or headway in the business relationship at all. That way, if they actually kill your business while they are sabotaging it, they won't rob your grave and relabel the loot "innovation."
I feel really bad for Carly Fiorona. She may actually believe that she is digging a foundation for her company. . .
A lot of people will complain "Boo hoo, I wish HP would invest $50Million in Linux. I hate Microsoft". The fact is, HP has invested a lot of money in Linux so far, and will continue to do so. .NET web services are a standards-compliant improvement to previously existing technology that will IF ANYTHING help to promote cross-platform solutions: In other words this will help HP deliver enterprise solutions involving both Microsoft products AND gnu-linux.
If Linux was really 10 steps ahead of Microsoft, markets would recognize that fact much more than they have. The fact is, there are some areas where linux shines and some areas where commercial software shines.
To me, this is a good thing, since it will raise the bar on standards compliance in the industry and create more niche areas for linux to make its way into the enterprise.
Amazing magic tricks
It's still my computer. If you don't trust me with your movies, then don't put the f***ing things on my computer. I'll still rent the DVD's, you will still make money.
Most people would rather own their computer and rent at blockbuster than simply having a licence for their computer and lots of pretty movies to slowly, slowly download. Since when is this any sort of *compromise* when the terms are dictated from above?
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What's next you ask ?
I do not know. I do have a collection of "Digital - Microsoft alliance" t-shirts from when DEC still existed.
Embrace and Extend.
Check out java. That does all those things, but it does them now, and it's got a lot of support and it's also multi-vendor. You will NOT be able to write stuff in VS.NET and run them on Linux, because very little of the framework classes are "open", for instance Mono uses its own gui framework based on GTK.
If HP is coxying up with Microsoft like this, it explains why HP let go one of the most outspoken MS detractors.
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
If only that followed through, and when Compaq bought DEC, they became DEC....we might still have a viable Alpha Chip...that might have had some clout to win some battles instead of being an also ran...
ah such potential...wasted!
Power Corrupts,Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely, leaving one person(group)in charge is absolutely corrupt.
We are supporting Microsoft! We are supporting Linux! We are going to move forward with HP-UX and Tru-64! Compaq hardware will keep on truckin! We love AMD and Hammer! We love intel and Itanium!
We will say anything to try and keep our stockholders from noticing that we made a former Lucent exec our CEO and are letting her run one of the most wacked-out mergers ever seen!
Three or four years ago, I had people from HP calling me asking me when I would be moving my systems from HP-UX to NT. When I laughed and told them that we were moving from MS platforms to Unix (tm) and unix-like systems, the people on the other end acted amazed that anyone would still be moving stuff to Unix (tm).
Doesn't really suprise me that after the Compaq merger, they are even more in bed with MS. After all wasn't it Compaq that basically killed the Alpha?
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Linux Expo, 2002; refering to the HP/Compaq merger:
"...it's like watching two slow-moving garbage trucks in a head-on collision..."
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This suggests that web services ==
Deceitful strategy, first they try to sell web services because of said platform independance, then the next step is to suggest that you need
Looks like Compaq's hiding their shady business behind the HP name again...
Step 1: Control HP
Step 2: Publicly announce evil plans under HP's name
Step 3: Profit????
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
Well, I'm no fan of Java (I strongly dislike it's extremely limited form of multiple inheritance, I strongly dislike the continual need for casting, I dislike....)
.net improved on those, but the little bit that I've seen didn't indicate this.
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.net either.
It would be no surprise if
The question is what parts will be available under an acceptable license. The answer isn't clear. And if the applications end up being non-portable anyway (due to GUI platform dependencies, e.g.), then what's the advantage?
Saying that something is technically better than Java is faint praise indeed. Now if you could say that it was better than Python...
Don't point to proprietary libraries as a reason that it's better. That proves nothing at all. Those libraries are probably unuseable. Don't point to it being submitted to standardization as a bonus, unless ALL THE NEEDED PARTS are standardized, and not covered by restrictive patents or licenses. (This could be true, but it isn't what I've been hearing.)
If you think that the CLR being multiple language is a bonus, may I direct you to a web page entitled "Languages for the JavaVM" http://grunge.cs.tu-berlin.de/%7Etolk/vmlanguages
OTOH, it may well be an improved design. I'd be rather shocked if it weren't. This is *years* later.
What language is your legacy code written in? My legacy code either links nicely with any gcc compiler, or doesn't link with
(Sometimes both.)
That it is made by MS is not a de facto reason for disliking it. It is a de facto reason for not trusting any facet of it that I haven't examined. (The burnt child dreads the fire. Once burnt, twice shy. Fool me once, shame on thee, fool me twice, shame on me. You don't fool me three times. etc.)
I never hated and despised Microsoft until after I started using their operating system. After a few years, and a few license changes, it got to the point where it is now common knowledge where I work (well, within the department) that I refuse to install Microsoft software, because I won't agree to the license.
I encourage you to read the EULA before you install software. You are not exempted from the terms just because you don't read them. Your company is not exempted just because you don't care. If the crime of malfeasance applies to sysadmins (or other techs), then I suspect that agreeing to bind you company to those licenses counts as malfeasance. It really is a decision that should be made each time by upper management. No other decision of comparable significance (i.e., likely to kill the company) is made by tech personnel, and they shouldn't make this one either. I recognize that they are frequently coerced into it, but if you accept the coercion, then you are not a professional.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I WAS an HP customer, and I don't want, nor will I ever want, .NET. HP is in serious trouble, they aren't selling anything, they aren't innovating, and they think this will provide a boost to the seriously broken company. Prostitute yourself to Microsoft and sue people who find holes in your software, now there is a business model for the 21st century.
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