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Survivor Meets Junkyard Wars for Scientists

MyNameIsFred writes "Stepping back to Gilligan's Island, PBS has a new "reality" show Rough Science where "five scientists are challenged to put their collective scientific knowledge to practical use. Transported to isolated locations, they are presented with a series of tasks, with two notable restrictions: they must complete their work within three days and, with the exception of a rudimentary tool kit, must use only indigenous materials." Could the Professor really build all of those things? We'll soon know." Check out the Episode guide.

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  1. My prediction.... by Cloud+9 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They start voting on which one to eat first within a week. Scientists weren't designed to survive outside of a lab. =]

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    1. Re:My prediction.... by goul · · Score: 3, Funny

      As long as they leave enough fat to make soap with on the 10th challenge.

    2. Re:My prediction.... by praedictus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      >>Scientists weren't designed to survive outside of a lab. =]

      Hrmff! Obviously someone who hasn't done any REAL (ie. non-theoretical) science. As part of my work I have:
      Slept in a snowbank (ambient temp -30C)

      Scaled ice covered rock faces with 30 kilos of equipment

      Faced bears and wolves unarmed. Mind you most predators only attack if you act like prey, and the wolves were mostly interested in having fun, like 50 kilo puppies with big teeth...

      Hiked alone in the Amazon rain forest.

      Not all scientists are wimps, some of us actually get out once and a while. When something breaks in bush camp, you fix it yourself, with what you have on hand. If you fsck up bad, you might die, so you learn to adapt.

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    3. Re:My prediction.... by Blkdeath · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Slept in a snowbank (ambient temp -30C)
      As someone else who's slept in a snowbank (on purpose!), sorry, but no dice on that one. :)

      Snow is an excellent insulator. Consequently, if you burrow yourself a hole in which to sleep you can find yourself quite warm indeed. It's only when you contact the raw snow with your body, thus melting it and wetting your clothes that you get cold.

      The heat from even the smallest of fires can heat up the interior of a snow-dwelling to quite a comfortable temperature (just be sure to poke a smoke hole in the top).

      The best way to get a boy scout over his fear of snow is to hand him a portable (folding) shovel and tell him to make a home in it for a night or two.

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    4. Re:My prediction.... by Paul+Komarek · · Score: 3, Funny

      I had to use HPUX in front of a client (research sponser) on a locked-down PA-RISC machine to fix bugs on-site. That was scary enough for me. ;-)

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  2. Uh oh by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 5, Funny
    "five scientists are challenged to put their collective scientific knowledge to practical use."

    "scientists"?

    "practical use"!?

    They're doomed.

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  3. Frontier House in the Desers? by levik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This reminds me of the show they had last year called "Frontier House", where a family was put onto a 19th century homestead to see how they'd do. On hone hand that show proved very interesting, but on the other, the way it was made kind of emphasized scandal, and played down achievements of the more successfull family. I hope this doesn't happen with the new show, since PBS seems to be venturing into traditional network TV territory with these reality series, and I hope they don't sink to trash TV level while doing it.

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  4. Too bad... by Radish03 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Too bad Mary Ann won't be in it.

  5. Don't get your hopes up. by sane? · · Score: 5, Informative
    This is a prog that was on the BBC a year or two ago. Its nothing like either Junkyard (nee Scrapheap) Wars or Survivor, just some marketing creep looking for an angle. There is certainly no real roughing it - think your science teacher trying to make lessons more interesting.

    That said, its still worth catching if you've nothing else to do.

  6. Re:A similar show in the UK... by vpreHoose · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was on the BBC and had two series.
    http://www.open2.net/science/roughscience/

  7. How about survive and escape? by bbuda · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why not take the 'Gilligan's Island' concept to it's logical conclusion: put the scientists on a remote island, not knowing their location or how much ocean surrounds them, with no supplies, and leave them there (with a camera crew of course). The scientists would have two challenges: survive off rudimentary supplies and the island's natural resources, and eventually escape to the mainland. The first scientific team to find their way to a major city wins. Of course, you could add in interesting challenges along the way such as those in this show or in Survivor, where the scientists could complete some useful task (dye a flag, as mentioned in the episode guide) in return for a tool or supply. THAT I would watch.

    1. Re:How about survive and escape? by OhYeah! · · Score: 5, Funny

      What kind of scientists do you suggest?

      Psychologists - Starve to death, but leave excellent documentation of the experience.

      Organic Chemists - build homemade reactor to convert tree sap into TNT, cause large periodic explosions until they are rescued.

      Nuclear Physicists - Would cause even bigger explosions, but lack the proper infrastructure.

      Theoretical physicists - dismiss building a raft as trivial.

      Software Engineers - Useless without coffee. In fact, useless altogether on desert island.

      Evolutionary Biologists - Decide to stay and watch the ants.

    2. Re:How about survive and escape? by Blkdeath · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Of course, you could add in interesting challenges along the way such as those in this show or in Survivor, where the scientists could complete some useful task (dye a flag, as mentioned in the episode guide) in return for a tool or supply. THAT I would watch.
      That's when I'd promptly change the channel and watch instead a mind-numbing sitcom. Atleast they're more honest than "Reality Television" about what they are.

      The idea of a realistic situation like the above is to remove external intervention from the picture altogether. If you're actually stranded on a desert island, you don't get the opportunity to win a hammer - you have to strap a rock to a stick. You're not able to win an 8" sheath knife, you have to scratch a rock into a jagged and/or sharp edge.

      I can't recall whom, or on what channel it was featured (I believe it was Discovery) a scientist (outdoor survivalist was, I believe, his actual trade) stranded himself in the bush - dropped his snowmobile (intentionally!) through thin ice out in the wild - miles from any civilization, and with only the most basic set of gear (the things a snowmobiler would typically carry with them, no fancy survival kits) and, of course, a camera (which, I believe, was dropped in advance, I forget how it was situated).

      He started out his adventure soaked to the skin, cold, and without food (except for some energy bars he'd brought with him for the trip. Five of them, I believe. "Trail Snacks"). Being early afternoon, he had only a short time to locate a suitable area, build a shelter, start a fire, dry himself off, and find a source of food in the process (being cold and wet come nightfall with two feet of snow on the ground and more coming is a very bad thing<tm>).

      He set up complicated camera shots by himself, for example; camera atop a mountain, run down mountain, walk across a field in camera's view, run back up mountain, stop camera (this brought an amusing anecdote where he set up the camera, ran down the mountain, looked up to see the camera tilting forward, forward, forward... thud!)

      He used, and tested several survival techniques that he teaches in an outdoor survival course, for example setting up four smoke-signal fires on the extremeties of a cross which he walked into the snow in a large open area. At the end, he determined that it was too much hassle to run back and forth between each of them to light and maintain all the fires. He decided instead to go with a walked-in cross (or X, depending on how you look at it) with pillars at each corner and a single (large) signal fire at one extremity.

      All in all, he was in the bush for a little over a week and managed to make himself a cozy living arrangement, including various meat and fish meals at dinner time. Some nights, of course, his fishing instrument didn't work so he didn't eat anything but berries.

      To make a long story even longer {smile} - that is what reality television, IMHO, should be. No challenges, no assistance, no winning tools or champagne, no medical crew standing by to assist as soon as the going gets tough - just (an) individual(s) and (his/their) smarts to get through the situation. Camera crew optional.

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  8. The Professor by SuperJ · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Look guys! I made this helicopter entirely out of bamboo and coconuts!"

    (I don't understand why Gilligan's Island went so long, I mean the Professor came up with these brilliant inventions every episode. Why couldn't they just make a raft and have the Prof build a small nuclear reactor to power it?)

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    1. Re:The Professor by JohnG · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would you REALLY want gillgan near a homemade nuclear reactor?

  9. Junkyard wars? by MrEd · · Score: 3, Funny
    I hope this show isn't as realistic as junkyard wars -


    "Gee whiz, profesor, it's a good thing this moderately sized aircraft crashed in this remote location with key components intact! Now we can build our submarine!"

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  10. Of Course . . . by Stephen+VanDahm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Will they make alliances with each other and scheme to get the other scientists?"

    They're academics, aren't they?

    Steve

  11. The fools! by sam_handelman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dr. X: They mocked my research! But I'll show them, I'll show them all!

    Announcer: Fascinating. What scientific principle have you applied?

    Dr. X: Leverage.

    Announcer: I see, and how are you going to use your invention... what's it called?

    Dr. X: A big stick.

    Annonucer: Yes, your stick. Dr. Sullivan has succeeded in making charcoal a furnace. How does your invention compare to that?

    Dr. X: I will use it to leverage his cranium.

    Announcer: That science-speak is too much for me.

    Dr. X: Let me demonstrate. [Smashes announcer's head in.]

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  12. If they could... by Frank+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Funny

    .. start a fire or catch a fish, then they would have beaten every person that has been Survivor.

    Every season of Survivor is the same with the same cast of idiots starving because all they can find to eat are coconuts that practically fall out of the trees and hit them on the head and maybe some snails that crawled into their sleeping bags.

    Pick up the damn fishing pole and catch some fish!

  13. they wont be able to out-do the professor by jest3r · · Score: 3, Informative

    The professor has a pretty impressive list of scientific / engineering accomplishments - i doubt anyone can top him:

    - a bamboo lie detector (hooked up to the ship's horn and the radio's batteries)
    - a coconut shell battery recharger
    - a bamboo telescope
    - a Geiger counter
    - jet-pack fuel
    - a bamboo xylophone
    - keptibora-berry extract to remedy Gilligan's double vision
    - an assortment of tonics, antiseptics, poisons, "spider cider" (to kill off gargantuan morning spiders)
    - soap made from plant fats
    - shark repellent
    - a pedal-powered bamboo sewing machine
    - lead radiation suits and make-up (protection from a meteor's cosmic rays)
    - a helium balloon (rubber raincoats sewn together and sealed with tree sap)
    - a strychnine serum that temporarily paralyzes Gilligan
    - an electrode linked to to a pedal-powered generator
    - pedal powered washing machine
    - pedal powered water pump
    - pedal powered telegraph
    - Mr. Howell's roulette wheel and pool table

  14. Where do they teach this stuff? by Subcarrier · · Score: 3, Funny

    As part of my work I have:

    Slept in a snowbank (ambient temp -30C)


    Advanced course on thermodynamics.

    Scaled ice covered rock faces with 30 kilos of equipment

    Laboratory assignment on mechanics for post-graduate students.

    Faced bears and wolves unarmed.

    Armed with Occam's razor -- survival course for graduate students.

    Hiked alone in the Amazon rain forest.

    General relativity theory, and how amazons manage to procreate anyway.

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  15. Real surviving by rjamestaylor · · Score: 5, Interesting
    No kidding. Did you see the real-life survivor story this week about the Long Beach, CA man sailing his small sailboat to Catalina Island (truly a "three hour tour") but a storm rose and rendered his ship uncontrollable? He drifted for 3 1/2 months living on sea turtles, birds and fish until a San Diego-based warship found him near the coast of Costa Rica. He was healthy, though thinner, and even knew where he was and what the date was. Oh, did I mention he's 62 years old?

    Sure, he's a moron for not filing a cruise plan (er, the boating equivalent of a flight plan...whatever it's called) with the Coast Guard (but then, who really wants to voluntarily tell the gov't their every move?), or telling friends where he was going and when he'd be back...but he was a true survivor.

    And,. although he was very happy to see the US warship, he wasn't looking for a free ride home: he asked them to repair his mast and he would sail home on his own. That's freakin' impressive.

    • (I may have munged some of te details of the story, but that's why I linked to news.google.com, an awsome resource, for you to follow and be cleansed of my gross inaccuracies.)
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  16. My favorite Episode was when Kirk... by shoppa · · Score: 5, Funny
    My favorite episode of this series was when Kirk, forced to battle the oversized Gorn, created a crude cannon out of various native materials.

    I repeatedly uttered "fascinating" while watching this episode from the viewscreen on the bridge.

  17. Re:He's a crap sailor... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm in Southern California and have read and heard a lot of comments from seasoned sailors regarding Van Pham's plight. Nothing I've heard criticized him for failing to control his vessel--only failing to coordinate with others his sailing plans. Yes, these sailors may just be deciding to politely avoid embarrassing the gentleman for spending "alot more time seeing how much he could eat than getting his ass back to land," but it is more likely that you're just being hypercritical. Or, perhaps, you have special insight into sailing with damaged vessels... In any regard, you come off a tad bit insulting and arrogant.

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  18. Re:He's a crap sailor... by Zathrus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes he cooked them - on a stove by burning bits of his boat. When the Navy found him they had to scuttle the boat because it was too damaged to tow.

    Frankly, I'd love to know what the previous poster would do in the guy's situation - you're on a sailboat with no mast, no motor, and a dead radio. There are no ships in your vicinity for 3.5 months (yes, this is easily possible). Are you going to row back to shore? I don't think so.

    For the record - one other ship did pass within visual range, but he was unsuccessful in signaling them. The Navy ship was only the second one he saw.