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OSI Approves Two New Licenses

An anonymous reader writes "The Open Source Initiative approved two new licenses. One, the Academic Free License is a MIT/BSD-like license . The other one, the Open Software License is an apparently GPL-incompatible "viral" license with some obnoxious clauses. Both have an interesting "mutual termination for patent action" clause - basically, the license terminates if you file a lawsuit in any court against any software that is licensed under an OSI approved license containing the same clause."

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  1. External Deployment by srw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The external deployment clause is interesting to me. As I read it, if you use a modified OSL app on your website, you need to make your changes public. As I read the GPL, you don't need to make your changes public unless you distribute the binary.

    1. Re:External Deployment by Ed+Avis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But that 'external deployment' stuff restricts how you may *use* the software, not just how you may distribute copies. It seems like enough to make the program non-free. Consider the DFSG: 'no discrimination against fields of endeavour'. Doesn't that mean no special requirements for using the program in a web page as opposed to a command-line app?

      Also this means that the licence becomes an EULA, because it purports to restrict use of the software and not just to grant permissions for copying. The GPL's enforceability is based on copyright, but copyright (in most countries) does not require you to get permission before merely running a computer program.

      Look at the text: 'you agree that any external deployment shall be deemed a distribution'. But you can't 'agree' that unless the licence is considered some kind of contract. With the GPL, it is up to copyright law to decide what counts as distributing the software. Here the licence attempts to extend copyright to count all sorts of random things as infringement, but I don't see how a court would agree with that.

      Personally I've long since given up taking notice of anything the Open Source Initiative certifies. Ever since they gave their stamp of approval to that Apple licence which allows 'revokation' at any point in the future when Apple's lawyers decide not to contest a patent infringement in court. The FSF may wrap its pronouncements in ideological justification which is offputting to some, but at least when they say that a program is free software you can be sure it is.

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  2. Not MIT/BSD-like by Glenn+R-P · · Score: 4, Informative

    The AFL, unlike MIT and BSD, does not require that the copyright
    be maintained in derivative works, but only in distributions of
    the Original Work.

  3. Re:How is fractured licensing good for open source by Carl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I agree. Why didn't he just work with the FSF on the GPL version 3?

    The "Open Software License" (interesting name for a license) seems to be a copyleft license incompatible with the GPL. Sigh... Is it really smart for an OSI board member to add new incomptatible copyleft licenses to the mix and also ask for OSI certification. Hmmm...

    There are some interesting things in there such as the patent thing, but is it really smart to mix up copyrights and patents in the same legal document?

    The license seems a bit US centric which might put off non-americans.

  4. Public performance by yerricde · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doesn't that mean no special requirements for using the program in a web page as opposed to a command-line app?

    A license to copy and modify a program does not automatically confer the right to perform the program publicly.

    But that 'external deployment' stuff restricts how you may *use* the software, not just how you may distribute copies. It seems like enough to make the program non-free.

    Not how you use it, but how you modify it. Modification, or preparation of derivative works, is normally the exclusive right of the copyright holder. So is public performance. GPL2 claimed "if you distribute binaries, you must distribute source code". GPL3 claims additionally: "if you modify the software and publicly perform it, you must distribute source code."

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  5. OSL Much more Aggressive than GPL by dh003i · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This new Open Source License is very aggressive, much more so than the GPL; but whereas the GPL is aggressive in terms of preserving users' freedom, the OSL is aggressive in terms of protecting OSI-certified software.

    Basically, what they're doing is trying to prevent people from suing OSI-certified with this clause from patent-infringement lawsuits.

    If a company uses OSL-licensed software, and they file a lawsuite against any OSI-certified license with that clause in it, then they automatically lose their license to use the OSL-licensed software. Rather clever. Basically, it creates an incentive for a company not to file a lawsuite against an OSI-certified license with that clause in it, if the software OSL'ed software they're using is important to them.

    I propose one modification to this license, one which would allow it to protect any OSI-certified or OSS / FS license from patent-lawsuites; adjust the clause to say "if you file a patent lawsuite against software licensed under any OSI-certified, OSS, or FS (i.e., LGPL/GPL) license.

    This is certainly not a Free Software license, and I'm sure that RMS will denounce it soon, even though it protect many OSS / FS projects from patent lawsuites.

    Consider the implications of this. Lets say that by some act of God (or Satan), Stallman releases a new version of GCC under a modified GPL license with such a patent-lawsuite termination clause in it. Now lets say taht MS uses that new version of GCC as the core for its GUI-based compiler, which is "at a arms length" from the GCC program (i.e., calls it externally), and releases a product called MS GCC, for which they charge you for the MS GUI. Now lets say this was a major profit-maker for MS. And lets say they decide to sue an OSI / OSS / FS license for violating MS' patents. If they do that, they automatically lose the right to use that new GCC, so they can't sell their graphically MS GCC. In other words, it would create a pretty big motivation for them not to sue any OSI / OSS / FS software for patent-infringement.

    I like that, because it offers some protection for us OSI / OSS / FS developers from patent-infringement law-suites. We can't afford to defend such things, and we certainly can't afford to be help them sue us with our own software (imagine a company suing us using OpenOffice to write up the legal documents; that'd be like when the English massacred the Chinese using Chinese-made Chinese-invented gunpowder).

    On the other hand, this is exactly the same kind of thing which is outrageous about EULA's. MS could put the same kind of thing in any of their EULA's; i.e., if you sue MS, you're license to use MS Office terminates. Good luck suing them if you were only relying on their word processors to type up the legal documents!

    However, that said, the same thing which is outrageous in a EULA is not so outrageous in an OSS / FS license, because we need to use whatever means we have to protect ourselves.

    In short, we need to think about this kind of thing very carefully. By no means can you say that this type of clause is concerned with the user's freedom. Its concerned with protecting the developer from a lawsuite. So its a clear values choice: Ensuring Freedom (as the GPL does) versus protecting yourself and other OSI / OSS / FS developers. I'm not suggesting which one is best, but you should at least know that choosing this type of license over a freedom-ensuring license (like the GPL) necessarily reduces the amount of freedom.

    In that regard, if the idea is to protect the developer (and OSI / OSS / FS developers in general) from a lawsuite, why not just say "by accepting this license, you agree not to file lawsuites against any OSI / OSS / FS software developer?

    1. Re:OSL Much more Aggressive than GPL by dreamword · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In that regard, if the idea is to protect the developer (and OSI / OSS / FS developers in general) from a lawsuite, why not just say "by accepting this license, you agree not to file lawsuites against any OSI / OSS / FS software developer?



      Because then nobody would use the software, probably even including you. Imagine the following hypothetical:

      Some 31337 h4x0r roots your box. This rooting of your box costs you lots of money (say he stole your credit card number, or took down your business website, or something). It just so happens that this particulat 31337 h4x0r also contributed some code to $yourGPLdMailClient. Instead of being able to sue the little brat, you're high and dry.

      Now, if we limit the clause to "licensees may not sue any OSS developer for patent infringement", the problems you or I would have using the software go away. However, this is a Bad Thing for large-scale corporate adoption of OSS. If the company has any software patent portfolio at all, their legal department will demand that all OSS stays off all of their boxen, since otherwise they may as well forget about ever enforcing their software patents on anyone. (Say I'm sued for doing some really egregious and horrible software patent infringement. But hey -- I once contributed some code to Mozilla! I'm off the hook!)

      Rosen's license is cool, but scary. It's far too easy to come up with hypos that make patent-suit-stopping clauses bad news.

  6. Re:Pantent clause sounds interesting.. by Spy+Hunter · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Before you think about adding this clause to the GPL, remember that this only works if the user is required to accept the license before *using* the software. This is an important subtlety of the GPL: You are not required to accept the GPL to *use* the software, only to *distribute* it. So a clause like this wouldn't have as big an effect if it was added to the GPL since it would only prevent a suing company from distributing any GPL'd software. The GPL is like this because it is not like one of those shrink-wrap licenses which limit your rights before you can use the product. The GPL only gives you rights that you would otherwise not have by default under copyright law, namely the right to distribution, if you agree to its conditions. IMHO that makes the GPL stronger in principle than ordinary shrink-wrap licenses, and probably stronger than this license too. However, IANAL.

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